| Modern stats and terminology 11:28 - Feb 12 with 1859 views | GaryBannister86 |
Being the wrong side of 50 I can't stand any of it and have absolutely no interest in
> duels (tackling, in my day)
> xG (sitters, gilt-edged chances, half chances)
> low block (parking the bus)
> high press (closing down)
> expected saves (keeping 'em out)
> completed passes (finding your man)
and I have probably shown that by misunderstanding the above.
But it has got me wondering, what would have some of our fab players and teams of the 80s and 90s looked like on a modern stats basis?
I mean. what sort of xG would Gerry's side in its pomp have racked up? Always remember that game against Liverpool at home where we absolutely battered them, couldn't score and Rosenthal stole it in the last second?
What would Super Ray's season pass completion rate have been? Assists?
What would Macca's "duels" have looked like?
Off the scale, surely.
Or, on the other hand, Tony Roberts' expected saves, Steve Yates duels, etc etc.
Can't AI go over the old matches? |  | | |  |
| Modern stats and terminology on 11:31 - Feb 12 with 1825 views | loftboy |
Yep all Bollocks, only one stat that matters and that’s the onion bag. [Post edited 12 Feb 11:32]
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| Modern stats and terminology on 15:56 - Feb 12 with 1597 views | RBlock |
I disagree with a lot of what you're saying - terminology and language evolves, along with the game, and a lot of the phrases you mention are a bit different or a more precise way of describing and analysing the game. Nothing worth getting that worked up about.
But you've raised a really interesting point about using AI to go over old footage of games to analyse and draw out statistics from it, to compare players from previous eras with modern football. Would be fascinating to see how the game has changed and is played differently now. |  | | |
| Modern stats and terminology on 16:06 - Feb 12 with 1569 views | CateLeBonR |
I remember Sir Les bemoaning the fact that they didn’t even credit players with assists when he was playing. If they had his total would have been off the scale! |  | | |
| Modern stats and terminology on 16:19 - Feb 12 with 1529 views | Juzzie |
"keeping the ball alive". Oh do fk off....... |  | | |
| Modern stats and terminology on 16:57 - Feb 12 with 1446 views | PunteR |
| Modern stats and terminology on 16:19 - Feb 12 by Juzzie |
"keeping the ball alive". Oh do fk off....... |
Recycling the ball |  |
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| Modern stats and terminology on 16:59 - Feb 12 with 1443 views | Northernr |
"Pausa".  |  | | |
| Modern stats and terminology on 17:01 - Feb 12 with 1424 views | qpr_1968 |
| Modern stats and terminology on 16:57 - Feb 12 by PunteR |
Recycling the ball |
was just about to mention that very word.
watched a live game last week or the week before, the commentator was obsessed with that very word, used it every 5 minutes.
kept recycling it.....excuse the pun. |  |
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| Modern stats and terminology on 17:16 - Feb 13 with 1140 views | mart_Goblin |
You mean like ‘pivot’ and ‘double pivot’?
I keep reading ‘Cruyffian’.
‘CDM’? “He’s a six….no he’s an eight “???
Hate it . What is any of it?
I mean it’s a rhetorical question but god.
All total FIFA boll*cks ….said the footballing dinosaur 🤣 |  | | |
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| Modern stats and terminology on 17:23 - Feb 13 with 1123 views | GaryHaddock |
| Modern stats and terminology on 16:59 - Feb 12 by Northernr |
"Pausa". |
Is that a hybrid of Paul Hart and Paulo Sousa? |  | | |
| Modern stats and terminology on 17:43 - Feb 13 with 1066 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Modern stats and terminology on 11:31 - Feb 12 by loftboy |
Yep all Bollocks, only one stat that matters and that’s the onion bag. [Post edited 12 Feb 11:32]
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Loftboy....one-nil! (In the voice of David Coleman). |  |
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| Modern stats and terminology on 17:45 - Feb 13 with 1055 views | Boston |
VAR - Quick word with a linesman. | |
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| Modern stats and terminology on 19:55 - Feb 13 with 954 views | HaslingtonR |
I detect a lot of moaning from Legacy Fans  | | | |
| Modern stats and terminology on 20:38 - Feb 13 with 916 views | derbyhoop |
Leather footballs with laces, 2-3-5, kids being called home for tea taking the ball with them, jumpers for goalposts, mmmhmm. |  |
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| Modern stats and terminology on 13:28 - Feb 14 with 620 views | westberksr |
| Modern stats and terminology on 20:38 - Feb 13 by derbyhoop |
Leather footballs with laces, 2-3-5, kids being called home for tea taking the ball with them, jumpers for goalposts, mmmhmm. |
.......... 'Where's the bloke, luv?' [Post edited 14 Feb 13:29]
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| Modern stats and terminology on 16:02 - Feb 14 with 468 views | qprxtc |
The Americanisation of everyf*ckingthing.
It's all utter, utter, utter b0llox. XG my big wobbly arse. Means nothing because it is nothing but flatulent cobblers for FIFA playing lardabuckets.
Sky commentators and their spontaneously combusting hyperbole over any old sh!t that happens because it's happening in a game of f*cking football. Shut up you tits. You Waver are a crunt of undulating absolute bollox.
Any terminology that isn't along the lines of "Boot the f*cking thing", "Kick the bastard", "Just f*cking shoot, you gits", "Lino, you c unt" or "Get the f*ck in, ya bastards" is also Americanised, wooly, generic cobblers.
Ya bunch of farking c unts. |  | | |
| Modern stats and terminology on 16:32 - Feb 14 with 429 views | DannyPaddox |
| Modern stats and terminology on 16:02 - Feb 14 by qprxtc |
The Americanisation of everyf*ckingthing.
It's all utter, utter, utter b0llox. XG my big wobbly arse. Means nothing because it is nothing but flatulent cobblers for FIFA playing lardabuckets.
Sky commentators and their spontaneously combusting hyperbole over any old sh!t that happens because it's happening in a game of f*cking football. Shut up you tits. You Waver are a crunt of undulating absolute bollox.
Any terminology that isn't along the lines of "Boot the f*cking thing", "Kick the bastard", "Just f*cking shoot, you gits", "Lino, you c unt" or "Get the f*ck in, ya bastards" is also Americanised, wooly, generic cobblers.
Ya bunch of farking c unts. |
Totally empatharize with you cowboy.
See you at the ball park later. |  | | |
| Modern stats and terminology on 16:35 - Feb 14 with 417 views | Juzzie |
"Legacy fans"
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| Modern stats and terminology on 16:44 - Feb 14 with 401 views | GaryHaddock |
| Modern stats and terminology on 16:35 - Feb 14 by Juzzie |
"Legacy fans"
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I’ve know a few legacy fans in my time.
Edit: I mean legless. | | | |
| Modern stats and terminology on 16:55 - Feb 14 with 368 views | BristolR |
| Modern stats and terminology on 16:02 - Feb 14 by qprxtc |
The Americanisation of everyf*ckingthing.
It's all utter, utter, utter b0llox. XG my big wobbly arse. Means nothing because it is nothing but flatulent cobblers for FIFA playing lardabuckets.
Sky commentators and their spontaneously combusting hyperbole over any old sh!t that happens because it's happening in a game of f*cking football. Shut up you tits. You Waver are a crunt of undulating absolute bollox.
Any terminology that isn't along the lines of "Boot the f*cking thing", "Kick the bastard", "Just f*cking shoot, you gits", "Lino, you c unt" or "Get the f*ck in, ya bastards" is also Americanised, wooly, generic cobblers.
Ya bunch of farking c unts. |
Along the same lines, how did “You’re gonna get your fackin ‘eads kicked in…” get eased out in favour of “Xx is a sh!thole, I wanna go home”
Harumph |  | | |
| Modern stats and terminology on 17:01 - Feb 14 with 347 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Modern stats and terminology on 16:02 - Feb 14 by qprxtc |
The Americanisation of everyf*ckingthing.
It's all utter, utter, utter b0llox. XG my big wobbly arse. Means nothing because it is nothing but flatulent cobblers for FIFA playing lardabuckets.
Sky commentators and their spontaneously combusting hyperbole over any old sh!t that happens because it's happening in a game of f*cking football. Shut up you tits. You Waver are a crunt of undulating absolute bollox.
Any terminology that isn't along the lines of "Boot the f*cking thing", "Kick the bastard", "Just f*cking shoot, you gits", "Lino, you c unt" or "Get the f*ck in, ya bastards" is also Americanised, wooly, generic cobblers.
Ya bunch of farking c unts. |
Oh well said and beautifully put.
For no obvious reason, my personal bugbear with US vernacular is "back to back". No, fkcu off, it is consecutive. We put together CONSECUTIVE wins, not back to back. Never, ever used to hear this except in US golf in the 80s. | | | |
| Modern stats and terminology on 17:05 - Feb 14 with 322 views | CateLeBonR |
“Match Recap” | | | |
| Modern stats and terminology on 18:39 - Feb 14 with 222 views | charmr |
1 nil, no, it’s hit the post in a David Coleman voice
Never grew old us referencing ad nauseam by my mates and I. [Post edited 14 Feb 18:39]
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| Modern stats and terminology on 19:10 - Feb 14 with 177 views | LazyFan |
Transition is rubbish; break-away is a far better term.
It's much more exciting to have a breakaway, more attacking, and has a sense of urgency.
Also, pressing is lame. It used to be called closing down. That's much better. This tactic is not new. Ian Wright used to do it all the time, and we remember Paul Furlong doing it for us in recent years.
Imagine Furlong pressing? Duh he never did that. Furlong closed down the oppo. And closing down meant precisely that in Holloway's book. Shut em down.
A lot of these terms come from Yank land.
Get this: I was on a lamo Zoom call the other day, and I was talking about Football pitches, and a few of the Yanks laughed and said they call them Fields. You know, what a quaint English term and all that.
At which I pointed out "so you play in a field with cows and sheep? Well no thanks I will have nice pitch to play on". They then realised how stupid their terminology is. Moo Moo, Anceints of Moo Moo. |  |
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| Modern stats and terminology on 19:57 - Feb 14 with 116 views | stainrods_elbow |
I know it's not commentary per se, but our Communications Professional Paul Morrissey's 'and very finally' does my head in. (As does the title 'Communications Professional'!) |  |
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