| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread **Game Day ! on 08:55 - Apr 2 with 1562 views | vetchonian |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread **Game Day ! on 00:12 - Apr 2 by angryjack |
Squad not goid enough simple,everyone was saying sane about Martin,but he's doing well with a good squad..he can only work with what he's got.. |
check the Saints fans forums out they wouldn't agree about Martin even with "a better squad" he is doing the same as here late goals conceded many fans calling for his head.
Let's not forget the finish we had to last season achieved with the same squad Martin had had all season so it wasn't and isn't all down to players |  |
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| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread **Game Day ! on 09:05 - Apr 2 with 1544 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread **Game Day ! on 06:14 - Apr 2 by Whiterockin |
The tactic of trying to play wide and put in crosses against a tall defence and keeper was not the brightest, especially when we had nobody in the box to head the ball. Playing Lowe in there might have given us a slightly better chance, at least he is not frightened of the ball. |
They forced us into that by playing compact and narrow. We couldn’t play through them. They were well organised to be fair.
Maybe Lowe would have been central if Placheta was available? I don’t think he’d have got much change in the air out of those centre backs, but I agree he’s more of a physical threat than Yates or Cullen. | | | |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread **Game Day ! on 09:21 - Apr 2 with 1532 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread **Game Day ! on 07:04 - Apr 2 by Dr_Winston |
The squad was plenty good enough last season. the manager wasn't.
That manager is currently sitting fourth in the Championship with a Premier League squad so doesn't have much to brag about this year either. |
That's a bit harsh. The three teams above them two have Premier League squads and Ipswich are a bit of an enigma this season. Add to that they have £140M trading surplus on players this season. I know you don't like Martin, but he is doing as well as can be expected at Southampton this season in my opinion. Top three or four is where they would expect to be. |  | | |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread **Game Day ! on 09:25 - Apr 2 with 1530 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread **Game Day ! on 09:05 - Apr 2 by jack247 |
They forced us into that by playing compact and narrow. We couldn’t play through them. They were well organised to be fair.
Maybe Lowe would have been central if Placheta was available? I don’t think he’d have got much change in the air out of those centre backs, but I agree he’s more of a physical threat than Yates or Cullen. |
Possibly we should have played 4-4-2 with Cullen and Lowe up top. | | | |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 09:27 - Apr 2 with 1527 views | RichardO |
50 crosses and yet not once did anybody get across the front defenders Key put some lovely cross in teasing positions in their box but our forwards spent all their time as the back post trying to conplete against the land of gaints defenders, for me I can see why Yates team got relegated he can't compete in the air, has no pace, has a poor first touch and not intelligent enough to move his defenders about by reading the game or is it more about playing as asked and sticking to it?
It is not all Yates fault, for instance both our full backs are being asked to play high which is closing the spaces for the winger with the opposition dropping into shape accordingly, we are now seeing Grimes dropping back again leaving those big gaps in the centre, we have to play the opposition tactics let the full backs hold deep with Grimes not needed in between the centrehalves so he can use the space in the middle. As has been mentioned about Darling and Wood holding onto the ball and driving forward into opposition's Cul de Sac both Key and Tymon have done the same condensing the area making it easier to defend, let the ball do the work to stretch the opposition we saw quick ball cause their defence problems even if our forwards could get across their defenders.
For me Williams got the substitutions wrong as limited as Cooper is he was winning a good number of tackles and not pulling out of them as we saw his replacements do, the position we are in we need to win those battles which some of the players are just not up for. We needed changes but change for change sake cost us. | | | |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 09:40 - Apr 2 with 1496 views | vetchonian |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 09:27 - Apr 2 by RichardO |
50 crosses and yet not once did anybody get across the front defenders Key put some lovely cross in teasing positions in their box but our forwards spent all their time as the back post trying to conplete against the land of gaints defenders, for me I can see why Yates team got relegated he can't compete in the air, has no pace, has a poor first touch and not intelligent enough to move his defenders about by reading the game or is it more about playing as asked and sticking to it?
It is not all Yates fault, for instance both our full backs are being asked to play high which is closing the spaces for the winger with the opposition dropping into shape accordingly, we are now seeing Grimes dropping back again leaving those big gaps in the centre, we have to play the opposition tactics let the full backs hold deep with Grimes not needed in between the centrehalves so he can use the space in the middle. As has been mentioned about Darling and Wood holding onto the ball and driving forward into opposition's Cul de Sac both Key and Tymon have done the same condensing the area making it easier to defend, let the ball do the work to stretch the opposition we saw quick ball cause their defence problems even if our forwards could get across their defenders.
For me Williams got the substitutions wrong as limited as Cooper is he was winning a good number of tackles and not pulling out of them as we saw his replacements do, the position we are in we need to win those battles which some of the players are just not up for. We needed changes but change for change sake cost us. |
Some very valid points there Richard...as you say we delivered plenty of crosses but we were always beaten by the giants of QPR they were a much bigger and more physical side than us.
I was disappointed Williams didn't try a formation change not that I'm a lover of it but maybe bringing Cabango on going 3-5-2 with Tymon and Key pushing up and putting Lowe up top with Yates or even a 3-1-3-3Grimes playing in front fo the back 3 Tymon Cooper and Key in front with Lowe Yates and Ronald up top | |
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| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 09:41 - Apr 2 with 1490 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 09:27 - Apr 2 by RichardO |
50 crosses and yet not once did anybody get across the front defenders Key put some lovely cross in teasing positions in their box but our forwards spent all their time as the back post trying to conplete against the land of gaints defenders, for me I can see why Yates team got relegated he can't compete in the air, has no pace, has a poor first touch and not intelligent enough to move his defenders about by reading the game or is it more about playing as asked and sticking to it?
It is not all Yates fault, for instance both our full backs are being asked to play high which is closing the spaces for the winger with the opposition dropping into shape accordingly, we are now seeing Grimes dropping back again leaving those big gaps in the centre, we have to play the opposition tactics let the full backs hold deep with Grimes not needed in between the centrehalves so he can use the space in the middle. As has been mentioned about Darling and Wood holding onto the ball and driving forward into opposition's Cul de Sac both Key and Tymon have done the same condensing the area making it easier to defend, let the ball do the work to stretch the opposition we saw quick ball cause their defence problems even if our forwards could get across their defenders.
For me Williams got the substitutions wrong as limited as Cooper is he was winning a good number of tackles and not pulling out of them as we saw his replacements do, the position we are in we need to win those battles which some of the players are just not up for. We needed changes but change for change sake cost us. |
Down to coaching , richard
Pure and simple
Ours is not the man to take us forward | |
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| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 10:04 - Apr 2 with 1471 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 09:40 - Apr 2 by vetchonian |
Some very valid points there Richard...as you say we delivered plenty of crosses but we were always beaten by the giants of QPR they were a much bigger and more physical side than us.
I was disappointed Williams didn't try a formation change not that I'm a lover of it but maybe bringing Cabango on going 3-5-2 with Tymon and Key pushing up and putting Lowe up top with Yates or even a 3-1-3-3Grimes playing in front fo the back 3 Tymon Cooper and Key in front with Lowe Yates and Ronald up top |
Not adapting formation/tactics when ours aren’t working or to counter the opposition is a big weakness. It makes us predictable.
Not even a Williams thing, we’ve had a fair few managers since the Rodgers/Laudrup days and the only two I can recall being good at it are Potter and Guidolin. | | | |
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| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 10:09 - Apr 2 with 1462 views | union_jack |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 09:27 - Apr 2 by RichardO |
50 crosses and yet not once did anybody get across the front defenders Key put some lovely cross in teasing positions in their box but our forwards spent all their time as the back post trying to conplete against the land of gaints defenders, for me I can see why Yates team got relegated he can't compete in the air, has no pace, has a poor first touch and not intelligent enough to move his defenders about by reading the game or is it more about playing as asked and sticking to it?
It is not all Yates fault, for instance both our full backs are being asked to play high which is closing the spaces for the winger with the opposition dropping into shape accordingly, we are now seeing Grimes dropping back again leaving those big gaps in the centre, we have to play the opposition tactics let the full backs hold deep with Grimes not needed in between the centrehalves so he can use the space in the middle. As has been mentioned about Darling and Wood holding onto the ball and driving forward into opposition's Cul de Sac both Key and Tymon have done the same condensing the area making it easier to defend, let the ball do the work to stretch the opposition we saw quick ball cause their defence problems even if our forwards could get across their defenders.
For me Williams got the substitutions wrong as limited as Cooper is he was winning a good number of tackles and not pulling out of them as we saw his replacements do, the position we are in we need to win those battles which some of the players are just not up for. We needed changes but change for change sake cost us. |
Again, an insightful post on tactics only a few on here can deliver (me not being one of them).
And still somehow didn’t win POTY😂. I think you won the popular vote though👍 |  |
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| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 10:47 - Apr 2 with 1437 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 09:41 - Apr 2 by onehunglow |
Down to coaching , richard
Pure and simple
Ours is not the man to take us forward |
Unfortunate to loose Allen when we did but seems to be a contact inury and not a pull or strain so hope he is available again quickly because we need his passion coupled with his skill.
As for the coaching element just too many changes expected Paterson to drop at least to the bench because of a groin strain picked during the latter stages of the Sheffield game, took Cooper too much time to settle into his role although just as he seem to get to start playing to his strengths he was taken off, Placeta was missed because I'm sure Lowe would serve the team better in the middle than Yates even Cullen would have served us better.
Really think Williams needs to think about how he is using his wide men, both wingers and full backs both Key and Tymon like to get forward but with the wingers staying out wide they block that the path down the wing if they come inside at times it will drag the opposition full backs in to leave space for the fullback to progress into or to play the ball into. If the full backs hold in defensive roles it would allow the midfield to press on tocontrol the midfield and keep us on the front foot.
The midfield battle always been a problem for us, a balance between being solid defensively and creative enough to push forward effectively in games, even during Steve Cooper's reign. | | | |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 11:17 - Apr 2 with 1404 views | controversial_jack |
Teams below us fighting hard to avoid relegation. I can't see where our next win is coming from | | | |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 13:40 - Apr 2 with 1279 views | union_jack |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 10:47 - Apr 2 by RichardO |
Unfortunate to loose Allen when we did but seems to be a contact inury and not a pull or strain so hope he is available again quickly because we need his passion coupled with his skill.
As for the coaching element just too many changes expected Paterson to drop at least to the bench because of a groin strain picked during the latter stages of the Sheffield game, took Cooper too much time to settle into his role although just as he seem to get to start playing to his strengths he was taken off, Placeta was missed because I'm sure Lowe would serve the team better in the middle than Yates even Cullen would have served us better.
Really think Williams needs to think about how he is using his wide men, both wingers and full backs both Key and Tymon like to get forward but with the wingers staying out wide they block that the path down the wing if they come inside at times it will drag the opposition full backs in to leave space for the fullback to progress into or to play the ball into. If the full backs hold in defensive roles it would allow the midfield to press on tocontrol the midfield and keep us on the front foot.
The midfield battle always been a problem for us, a balance between being solid defensively and creative enough to push forward effectively in games, even during Steve Cooper's reign. |
Why was Placheta dropped? Is he injured or did he give LW a funny look in training much like Mykola maybe?? | |
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| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 13:56 - Apr 2 with 1252 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 13:40 - Apr 2 by union_jack |
Why was Placheta dropped? Is he injured or did he give LW a funny look in training much like Mykola maybe?? |
Sure it was mentioned he had picked up a knock in the team news updated issued before Mondays game if memory serves me right | | | |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 13:59 - Apr 2 with 1240 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 13:56 - Apr 2 by RichardO |
Sure it was mentioned he had picked up a knock in the team news updated issued before Mondays game if memory serves me right |
Subbed at halftime on Friday. Injured or another with issues. | | | |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 15:47 - Apr 2 with 1144 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 13:59 - Apr 2 by Whiterockin |
Subbed at halftime on Friday. Injured or another with issues. |
Would have expected at least one of our wingers to have been given less game time on Friday to keep them fresh on Monday but looks as if injured. Definitely wouldn't have swapped him and Ronald around given no partnership formed with Key yet given Key's injury would have kept them together to get to know each others games. | | | |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 21:38 - Apr 2 with 995 views | jackrmee |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread on 13:40 - Apr 2 by union_jack |
Why was Placheta dropped? Is he injured or did he give LW a funny look in training much like Mykola maybe?? |
Myko must be pulling jibs at all the managers then. Three of them have snubbed him this year 🤷♂️ |  |
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| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread **Game Day ! on 08:41 - Apr 14 with 728 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v QPR : Match day thread **Game Day ! on 16:47 - Apr 1 by vetchonian |
we are OK jack247 said so |
There we go Vetch | | | |
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