| The Dale Trust 17:42 - Feb 28 with 3414 views | blackdogblue |
I have just e mailed this to the Trust..
Following the shock announcement from George on the RAFC fans forum at a time more than any when we need unity & fight for our clubs future, as a Trust Member for many years I am concerned more deeply around this.
Similar to Shareholders, we are Trust Members and should have a say in the Current Board Members of our Trust, we pay membership and should be consulted on such matters rather than the outcome of shifting to the left or the right and it sounds very fishy to me…
As a paid Trust Member I call for a vote of no confidence in the Dale Trust Board and request the Trust consults with its said members to vote on the current members of the board.
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| The Dale Trust on 17:59 - Feb 28 with 3331 views | Peaky |
It sounds way deeper than that. I’m not sure how a vote of no confidence does anything to help this situation. |  | | |
| The Dale Trust on 18:46 - Feb 28 with 3185 views | blackdogblue |
We as paid members should be involved in Trust matters such as who sits on the club board etc
Ps.. where have you been for the last 3 years, looking at your profile the last time u posted was 2021? | |
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| The Dale Trust on 18:52 - Feb 28 with 3169 views | tony_roch975 |
Not sure if that is the best way forward but certainly the Trust need to issue a statement asap setting out their understanding of why George has resigned and particularly whether and how they are dealing with any disagreement over the way forward - surely that issue of how to proportionally represent differing views is exactly what RAFCBlue raised in another thread some days ago.
I wish the result of the Trust vote was before the deadline for Proxy appointments as it could well affect how they are to be instructed - proxies could well be a deciding factor next week. [Post edited 28 Feb 18:53]
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| The Dale Trust on 19:09 - Feb 28 with 3108 views | SuddenLad |
If the vote goes in favour of the proposals, the Trust is virtually a meaningless entity. |  |
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| The Dale Trust on 19:10 - Feb 28 with 3103 views | RAFCBLUE |
| The Dale Trust on 18:52 - Feb 28 by tony_roch975 |
Not sure if that is the best way forward but certainly the Trust need to issue a statement asap setting out their understanding of why George has resigned and particularly whether and how they are dealing with any disagreement over the way forward - surely that issue of how to proportionally represent differing views is exactly what RAFCBlue raised in another thread some days ago.
I wish the result of the Trust vote was before the deadline for Proxy appointments as it could well affect how they are to be instructed - proxies could well be a deciding factor next week. [Post edited 28 Feb 18:53]
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It's funny how the world changes in 48 hours.
In some instances on Monday night, was the sentiment that asking how people might vote was not able to unite the fan base. Today with disclosure of events, there's a more united people's front than a Monty Python film.
People have to vote next week how they see fit; it is a matter of personal preference and conscience but just at a helicopter view.
If you've read the Guardian article today there's a quote in it which goes:
"In an ideal world, everyone – including myself – would like to stay on the fan-ownership model. The financial reality is that you have no one to fund the club when you need a cash input, so it doesn’t work."
There are no highly paid executives at RAFC, no liggers, hangers on, or people generally who don't want to be here. The off the field set-up is now as thin as I've seen a club and even then we have a small number of people to thank who stand behind the shortfall from their own funds.
You can say the same of Jim McNulty and the players. There are easier places to go and make a living.
And so its not as if we all don't want to succeed, quite the opposite. But the way football has gone and is going we need to adapt or die.
The Trust is a very important part of the club and those who have worked for it, now and past and the old Supporters Club before that, have all done valuable voluntary roles that ensure we reach today. In the same way we should thank the current Directors for stepping up in 2021 there were the same, if not more individuals in the Trust set-up.
There will be people who will hate having to give up on the fan-owned model and I completely get that, but that is the reality we face and we also face a good few years of rebuilding before we will be a solid league club again.
That's not impossible providing we survive. The Trust have to vote the way 1,100 members tell them to next week; that the problem being on the elected Board of a community body.
I don't think a statement is needed other than everyone to know that we would all like to see the club saved. |  |
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| The Dale Trust on 19:17 - Feb 28 with 3045 views | D_Alien |
| The Dale Trust on 19:10 - Feb 28 by RAFCBLUE |
It's funny how the world changes in 48 hours.
In some instances on Monday night, was the sentiment that asking how people might vote was not able to unite the fan base. Today with disclosure of events, there's a more united people's front than a Monty Python film.
People have to vote next week how they see fit; it is a matter of personal preference and conscience but just at a helicopter view.
If you've read the Guardian article today there's a quote in it which goes:
"In an ideal world, everyone – including myself – would like to stay on the fan-ownership model. The financial reality is that you have no one to fund the club when you need a cash input, so it doesn’t work."
There are no highly paid executives at RAFC, no liggers, hangers on, or people generally who don't want to be here. The off the field set-up is now as thin as I've seen a club and even then we have a small number of people to thank who stand behind the shortfall from their own funds.
You can say the same of Jim McNulty and the players. There are easier places to go and make a living.
And so its not as if we all don't want to succeed, quite the opposite. But the way football has gone and is going we need to adapt or die.
The Trust is a very important part of the club and those who have worked for it, now and past and the old Supporters Club before that, have all done valuable voluntary roles that ensure we reach today. In the same way we should thank the current Directors for stepping up in 2021 there were the same, if not more individuals in the Trust set-up.
There will be people who will hate having to give up on the fan-owned model and I completely get that, but that is the reality we face and we also face a good few years of rebuilding before we will be a solid league club again.
That's not impossible providing we survive. The Trust have to vote the way 1,100 members tell them to next week; that the problem being on the elected Board of a community body.
I don't think a statement is needed other than everyone to know that we would all like to see the club saved. |
The "sentiment" regarding the poll asked for people not to make up their minds prematurely, until further along the road we're now travelling
That has proven to be the correct sentiment. At least one poster today has even asked how they can amend their Trust vote
There may be further details emerging tomorrow evening
The world hasn't changed at all - you're continuing to try to badger people who're perfectly capable of making their own minds up. Note: i haven't suggested to anyone which way they should vote |  |
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| The Dale Trust on 19:28 - Feb 28 with 2998 views | RAFCBLUE |
| The Dale Trust on 19:17 - Feb 28 by D_Alien |
The "sentiment" regarding the poll asked for people not to make up their minds prematurely, until further along the road we're now travelling
That has proven to be the correct sentiment. At least one poster today has even asked how they can amend their Trust vote
There may be further details emerging tomorrow evening
The world hasn't changed at all - you're continuing to try to badger people who're perfectly capable of making their own minds up. Note: i haven't suggested to anyone which way they should vote |
Sentiment does not exist in a "Yes"/"No" question DA and the reality of the situation, to steal and plagiarize Brierls post from Tuesday lunchtime is:
Vote 'No' - we're gone.
Vote 'Yes' - we have a chance, with credible investors, but even then we'd have to conclude a deal quickly.
If 50%+1 Trust members vote "yes" then all of the Trust shares go to say "yes" in the EGM vote. That's what the Trust constitution says and what the Companies Act says.
"Sentiment" would like to see the club survive; there is only one path the does that. [Post edited 28 Feb 19:47]
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| The Dale Trust on 19:43 - Feb 28 with 2925 views | D_Alien |
| The Dale Trust on 19:28 - Feb 28 by RAFCBLUE |
Sentiment does not exist in a "Yes"/"No" question DA and the reality of the situation, to steal and plagiarize Brierls post from Tuesday lunchtime is:
Vote 'No' - we're gone.
Vote 'Yes' - we have a chance, with credible investors, but even then we'd have to conclude a deal quickly.
If 50%+1 Trust members vote "yes" then all of the Trust shares go to say "yes" in the EGM vote. That's what the Trust constitution says and what the Companies Act says.
"Sentiment" would like to see the club survive; there is only one path the does that. [Post edited 28 Feb 19:47]
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There was no sentiment on my part
You've not, among all the myriad posts, filled with numbers, told us one single thing we didn't already know
And its "Brierls" btw, RAFCBLUE | |
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| The Dale Trust on 19:43 - Feb 28 with 2924 views | kel |
It would be really, really ace if some people could stop making every thread about them.
WE KNOW. |  | | |
| The Dale Trust on 19:47 - Feb 28 with 2908 views | kel |
| The Dale Trust on 19:43 - Feb 28 by D_Alien |
There was no sentiment on my part
You've not, among all the myriad posts, filled with numbers, told us one single thing we didn't already know
And its "Brierls" btw, RAFCBLUE |
Or Breels to ‘the clique’ | | | |
| The Dale Trust on 19:49 - Feb 28 with 2884 views | blackdogblue |
Why has this topic drifted back the Club…🤷♂️
My point is if the Dale Trust Board is in turmoil.. we need leadership not dissent in the ranks & Judd stepped up after Col.
Don’t know the details but decisions on board members should be voted for by members | |
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| The Dale Trust on 19:50 - Feb 28 with 2880 views | 442Dale |
| The Dale Trust on 19:43 - Feb 28 by kel |
It would be really, really ace if some people could stop making every thread about them.
WE KNOW. |
As do they.
Forever Rochdale. |  |
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| The Dale Trust on 19:50 - Feb 28 with 2879 views | RAFCBLUE |
| The Dale Trust on 19:43 - Feb 28 by D_Alien |
There was no sentiment on my part
You've not, among all the myriad posts, filled with numbers, told us one single thing we didn't already know
And its "Brierls" btw, RAFCBLUE |
Thanks DA. You keep pondering on how to vote ahead of next week and don't be railroaded. | |
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| The Dale Trust on 19:56 - Feb 28 with 2845 views | D_Alien |
| The Dale Trust on 19:50 - Feb 28 by RAFCBLUE |
Thanks DA. You keep pondering on how to vote ahead of next week and don't be railroaded. |
Good to see you've learnt how to go about voting i.e. when all the relevant factors have been fully considered, such as today | |
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| The Dale Trust on 20:05 - Feb 28 with 2785 views | RAFCBLUE |
| The Dale Trust on 19:56 - Feb 28 by D_Alien |
Good to see you've learnt how to go about voting i.e. when all the relevant factors have been fully considered, such as today |
I'm always learning DA. It's a skill that pays well. | |
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| The Dale Trust on 20:09 - Feb 28 with 2743 views | RAFCBLUE |
| The Dale Trust on 19:49 - Feb 28 by blackdogblue |
Why has this topic drifted back the Club…🤷♂️
My point is if the Dale Trust Board is in turmoil.. we need leadership not dissent in the ranks & Judd stepped up after Col.
Don’t know the details but decisions on board members should be voted for by members |
On your question BDB I thought the current Trust Board were reaffirmed at the Trust AGM on the 18th November 2023.
There were a number of people reelected documented here:
https://www.daletrust.co.uk/2023/11/trust-agm-18-11/ | |
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| The Dale Trust on 20:09 - Feb 28 with 2741 views | ramsdale |
| The Dale Trust on 19:49 - Feb 28 by blackdogblue |
Why has this topic drifted back the Club…🤷♂️
My point is if the Dale Trust Board is in turmoil.. we need leadership not dissent in the ranks & Judd stepped up after Col.
Don’t know the details but decisions on board members should be voted for by members |
Whilst I fully agree that there’s is an issue somewhere and something needs to be done, can I just point out that Trust board members ARE in fact voted on by members at the AGM. | | | |
| The Dale Trust on 20:10 - Feb 28 with 2731 views | wozzrafc |
| The Dale Trust on 19:09 - Feb 28 by SuddenLad |
If the vote goes in favour of the proposals, the Trust is virtually a meaningless entity. |
I don’t think that is a given.
We don’t know how receptive any board will be to trust envolvement. If it is an overseas investor they may feel the trust is a good way to liaise with fans.
Also as judd pointed out on Sunday the recommendations in the government’s football report there will be a need for all clubs to have a shadow board.
Remember we set the trust up we weren’t looking at buying shares and the board was very receptive | | | |
| The Dale Trust on 20:15 - Feb 28 with 2677 views | RAFCBLUE |
| The Dale Trust on 20:10 - Feb 28 by wozzrafc |
I don’t think that is a given.
We don’t know how receptive any board will be to trust envolvement. If it is an overseas investor they may feel the trust is a good way to liaise with fans.
Also as judd pointed out on Sunday the recommendations in the government’s football report there will be a need for all clubs to have a shadow board.
Remember we set the trust up we weren’t looking at buying shares and the board was very receptive |
The Trust definitely has a role in the new world.
The positioning of what the Trust is needs to be looked at and some of that might be forced upon it by circumstances but it can certainly support engagement in the town and represent supporters.
It may not need or get a Board role to do that but that role is needed in every football club. | |
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| The Dale Trust on 20:16 - Feb 28 with 2674 views | blackdogblue |
To answer 2 posts ^^
Yes they are elected… if they can’t act in collaboration then in my mind it’s a vote of no confidence on the tick in the box for the “elected” chairman to throw his hat in…. | |
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| The Dale Trust on 20:22 - Feb 28 with 2640 views | RAFCBLUE |
| The Dale Trust on 20:16 - Feb 28 by blackdogblue |
To answer 2 posts ^^
Yes they are elected… if they can’t act in collaboration then in my mind it’s a vote of no confidence on the tick in the box for the “elected” chairman to throw his hat in…. |
We don't know the full story yet.
I'm not sure we know either how the Chairman role is appointed. I don't recall seeing an election but understood it was an interim basis. For all we know the appointed Trust Board might amongst themselves get to appoint the Chairman. That's what happens for the RAFC Board and its written into the Articles.
The other issue is that it's all very well wanting a vote of no confidence (and that might be an outcome) but there isn't time before the Trust as a corporate body have to vote next week in the EGM on behalf of nearly 1,100 of us.
I don't think the Trust can abstain as really that doesn't represent any of the members and it will only get one vote as one shareholder or one opportunity to allocate its shares to each motion. | |
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| The Dale Trust on 20:26 - Feb 28 with 2620 views | fermin |
| The Dale Trust on 18:46 - Feb 28 by blackdogblue |
We as paid members should be involved in Trust matters such as who sits on the club board etc
Ps.. where have you been for the last 3 years, looking at your profile the last time u posted was 2021? |
I can't remember the last time we had an election for trust board members. I presume this is because not enough people put themselves forward to justify an election so the same people stay on. I know that other trusts have people putting forward manifestos, holding interviews and hustings so members can judge whose vision matches their own.
This lack of public debate around the membership of the Trust Board has been a problem. There are posters on here with many different views but they only have influence within the Trust if they or others representing their views are on the inside. I don't really know what the board members thought individually about the way forward for the club in the last few years because there has been no need for them to put their views out there as individuals to get votes.
If we end up sold to a rich investor then the Trust will simply become a supporter group with limited if any influence over club direction, the same as at most other clubs. It would not be correct to say there would be no point in the Trust, but its role could be more like the one at Charlton rather than an organisation with voting power as now. |  | | |
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