| So Rangers interested in Whittaker 15:57 - Jan 16 with 5355 views | onehunglow |
Glasgow that is not, interested in him.
Think on this .
Good enough to make his mark at Plymouth and prove a point and now one of the biggest clubs seem keen on him but nit good enough for Russ.
I feel for this lad ,I really do.
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| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 18:00 - Jan 16 with 1510 views | johnlangy |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 17:47 - Jan 16 by Whiterockin |
Personally I think it's a win win. He goes we get a decent fee, he doesn't we have an excellent addition to the squad. After watching him play several games for Plymouth I think he would be an upgrade on Patterson and Obafemi. |
He would be an upgrade even if only because he'd want to play. The other two care nothing for our Club and the sooner they're gone the better.. | | | |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 18:03 - Jan 16 with 1504 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
I generally go with the flow and accept budgets have to be met but news of a possible Whitaker sale does not make me happy at all.
In fact it goes against the club mantra of developing and improving players such that they play for Swansea improve Swansea and then get sold for TOP DOLLAR. McBurnie, James, Rodon
The US people have given Martin his head and laid out the template he has to work to. Whiitaker is now a hot property and highly rated by more than one club. In fct about 4 we know about as we speak.
So why is he not in Martin's plans? Martin wanted to use him next season it seems as he was keen to keep him at Plymouth. However Martin has four forward but only two want to play for him Piroe and Cullen who could not hit a barn door until recently. Patterson and Obafmei do not play well for Martin , and Martins was not too excited to see hotshot Whiitaker ride back into the paddock.
Swansea are struggling to close out deal in "difficult January". Easy play Whittaker and Joseph if need be and forget about Ogbene.
Martin has to work with what he has not side line 3 forwards and quick fix transfer solutions. It is unlikely that anyone coming in will be better than a focused Obafemi and Whittaker. |  |
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| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 18:09 - Jan 16 with 1479 views | jack247 |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 17:42 - Jan 16 by Dr_Winston |
I'm not sure if Whittaker has ever looked "out of his depth" in the games I've seen him play. Raw certainly, as you would expect a young forward to be, but not lacking in ability.
I don't see much point in continuing the story that he was sent out on loan as some sort of masterplan to develop him. He was sent out on loan because Russy simply isn't interested. Not then, not now.
Maybe no serious offers will be received and his hand will be forced, like it was with Fulton. |
They are all sent out on loan to develop. They either step up and find their way back into our first team/get sold for a profit, or they don’t and get moves to lower league clubs.
It’s not a master plan. It’s common sense when a young player isn’t ready for the first team.
Plenty of young players have ability. Positional sense and decision making come with experience. Neither were strong points. I haven’t seen any of his Plymouth games, bug it sounds like he’s become a better player all round.
If he was the player people are rose tinting him to be 18 months ago, he’d have ripped it up at Lincoln. | | | |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 18:28 - Jan 16 with 1459 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 18:09 - Jan 16 by jack247 |
They are all sent out on loan to develop. They either step up and find their way back into our first team/get sold for a profit, or they don’t and get moves to lower league clubs.
It’s not a master plan. It’s common sense when a young player isn’t ready for the first team.
Plenty of young players have ability. Positional sense and decision making come with experience. Neither were strong points. I haven’t seen any of his Plymouth games, bug it sounds like he’s become a better player all round.
If he was the player people are rose tinting him to be 18 months ago, he’d have ripped it up at Lincoln. |
Lincoln are a direct team and a graveyard for the development of Swansea players. Brennan Johnson and Morgan Rodgers did well there under a different manager.
Cullen has got 4 goals in 11 games for Swansea in the Championship but only 1 in 20 at league 1 Lincoln. Many as 2 half sub no doubt. Morgan got 5 goals in the same poor team. | |
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| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 18:54 - Jan 16 with 1431 views | jack247 |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 18:28 - Jan 16 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Lincoln are a direct team and a graveyard for the development of Swansea players. Brennan Johnson and Morgan Rodgers did well there under a different manager.
Cullen has got 4 goals in 11 games for Swansea in the Championship but only 1 in 20 at league 1 Lincoln. Many as 2 half sub no doubt. Morgan got 5 goals in the same poor team. |
Playing a different style is not a graveyard for a young players development at all, it broadens it if anything. He was talented and highly rated when he came here from Derby. Dr W described him as ‘raw’ I thought he was ‘out of his depth’ I don’t think there is a lot of difference in this context.
There’s little doubt that 18 months in the championship has done a lot for him as a player.
I take your point re. Cullen, but 5 goals isn’t a great season however you dress it up. Our left back is on track for that this season. 9 by the start of January is a totally different conversation. | | | |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 19:46 - Jan 16 with 1377 views | KeithHaynes |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 17:09 - Jan 16 by onehunglow |
Chances are he will be playing Champion League matches sooner than those of his former colleagues at Swansea
Sent out not to develop but because he was not fancied .
It proves our coach isn’t good as if he were he d have coached him to be a better player
Let’s face it, people are looking to excuse this massive misjudgement |
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/news/59366/what-the-hell-is-g |  |
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| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 20:21 - Jan 16 with 1332 views | Whiterockin |
Meanwhile the trust if they still exist remain silent. |  | | |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 20:23 - Jan 16 with 1330 views | onehunglow |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 20:21 - Jan 16 by Whiterockin |
Meanwhile the trust if they still exist remain silent. |
Another crucial issue | |
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| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 00:39 - Jan 17 with 1234 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 16:15 - Jan 16 by GixerJack |
He’d score a lot of goals up there |
So would I. |  |
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| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 12:11 - Jan 17 with 1077 views | guthrieintherain |
Being reported now that Rangers are set to table a bid of 1.5 million.
I think we will sell for that which is a big shame as he obviously has talent but was not given a chance with us. [Post edited 17 Jan 2023 12:35]
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| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 12:24 - Jan 17 with 1071 views | STID2017 |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 12:11 - Jan 17 by guthrieintherain |
Being reported now that Rangers are set to table a bid of 1.5 million.
I think we will sell for that which is a big shame as he obviously has talent but was not given a chance with us. [Post edited 17 Jan 2023 12:35]
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Agree but as he was never going to play here then decent profit.
Hopefully the report is accurate
If so then best wishes to the lad |  |
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| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 12:30 - Jan 17 with 1068 views | GixerJack |
Not if OHL was playing centre half 😂🤣😂 |  | | |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 13:10 - Jan 17 with 1023 views | jack247 |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 12:11 - Jan 17 by guthrieintherain |
Being reported now that Rangers are set to table a bid of 1.5 million.
I think we will sell for that which is a big shame as he obviously has talent but was not given a chance with us. [Post edited 17 Jan 2023 12:35]
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What we see on a Saturday is the tip of the iceberg. Chances are given in training every day, in U21 matches and in some cases on loan.
Whittaker has obviously impressed at Plymouth and my guess would be if he’s still here in February, he’ll get game time. I’m not quite sure it’s accurate to say he hasn’t had a chance here because he only really got cameo first team appearances. Same goes for Ogbeta. | | | |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 13:16 - Jan 17 with 1003 views | guthrieintherain |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 13:10 - Jan 17 by jack247 |
What we see on a Saturday is the tip of the iceberg. Chances are given in training every day, in U21 matches and in some cases on loan.
Whittaker has obviously impressed at Plymouth and my guess would be if he’s still here in February, he’ll get game time. I’m not quite sure it’s accurate to say he hasn’t had a chance here because he only really got cameo first team appearances. Same goes for Ogbeta. |
He got sent out on loan a couple of days after scoring a hatrick.
Was given very little chance now he is back and keen to go you can't blame him really. | |
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| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 13:43 - Jan 17 with 964 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 12:30 - Jan 17 by GixerJack |
Not if OHL was playing centre half 😂🤣😂 |
I’d nutmeg him before slotting it home and celebrating in an over exuberant manner. | |
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| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 13:43 - Jan 17 with 964 views | jack247 |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 13:16 - Jan 17 by guthrieintherain |
He got sent out on loan a couple of days after scoring a hatrick.
Was given very little chance now he is back and keen to go you can't blame him really. |
I don’t blame him if he wants to go. Martin didn’t hide the fact he wanted him to finish the season at Plymouth.
As I said further up, that hat trick (against a lower league team with players missing) and the goal against Man City made some people believe he was a much better player than he was at the time.
There’s not even a debate as to whether loaning him out has worked. The reality is neither Cooper nor Martin thought he was ready to start regularly in the Championship. They’d have based that on watching him train and U21 matches. Not just the 5 minutes here and there or the odd league cup game we see. | | | |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 15:31 - Jan 17 with 923 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 16:03 - Jan 16 by KeithHaynes |
Saleable asset, the manager has had the rug pulled from beneath him on this for sure. |
Martin has created his own problems and only himself to blame.
Martin farmed out Whittaker and invested his time and energy and trusted Obafemi and Patterson who have not developed at all. That was a poor investment by Martin which he recently acknowledged.
Patterson is 29 or so and moves from clubs to club frequently with flashed of quality but notoriously inconsistent. Obafemi could not be motivated by Hassenhutl.
Whitaker on the other hand has n been a model professional diligently developing his career. A Swansea type of player. Leroy Lita and Leon Knight were managed well.
Whiitaker was somebody else's problem according to Martin. I do not need to think and Whittaker and Joseph until next season.
The owners have told him he has to resolve the Whitaker issue now. Play him or sell him. No more "kicking the can s down the road" .
Brandon Cooper is another can being kicked. | |
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| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 15:39 - Jan 17 with 909 views | Whiterockin |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 15:31 - Jan 17 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Martin has created his own problems and only himself to blame.
Martin farmed out Whittaker and invested his time and energy and trusted Obafemi and Patterson who have not developed at all. That was a poor investment by Martin which he recently acknowledged.
Patterson is 29 or so and moves from clubs to club frequently with flashed of quality but notoriously inconsistent. Obafemi could not be motivated by Hassenhutl.
Whitaker on the other hand has n been a model professional diligently developing his career. A Swansea type of player. Leroy Lita and Leon Knight were managed well.
Whiitaker was somebody else's problem according to Martin. I do not need to think and Whittaker and Joseph until next season.
The owners have told him he has to resolve the Whitaker issue now. Play him or sell him. No more "kicking the can s down the road" .
Brandon Cooper is another can being kicked. |
Hasn't Martin been told he can't play him. | | | |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 15:49 - Jan 17 with 888 views | PrettySheetyCity |
I don't know why anybody is surprised.
You send a player on loan for one of two reasons: i) to put them in the shop window, or ii) to develop them and prepare them for first team football in the future.
Whittaker is no different. He is clearly talented and could *maybe* offer us something in the first team. But let's be realistic, he's a young kid and has played fewer than 100 professional games. If he plays for Swansea, he is ineligible to play for another team this season. There are a range of possibilities here. We could reject an offer, keep him, play him on Saturday, and he could get a career ending injury and suddenly he's no longer an asset for us. Imagine the uproar from some of our fans - "You should've taken the cash".
Against that backdrop, £1.5million is a good bit of business. We are a selling club, get used to it. | | | |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 16:11 - Jan 17 with 849 views | max936 |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 15:49 - Jan 17 by PrettySheetyCity |
I don't know why anybody is surprised.
You send a player on loan for one of two reasons: i) to put them in the shop window, or ii) to develop them and prepare them for first team football in the future.
Whittaker is no different. He is clearly talented and could *maybe* offer us something in the first team. But let's be realistic, he's a young kid and has played fewer than 100 professional games. If he plays for Swansea, he is ineligible to play for another team this season. There are a range of possibilities here. We could reject an offer, keep him, play him on Saturday, and he could get a career ending injury and suddenly he's no longer an asset for us. Imagine the uproar from some of our fans - "You should've taken the cash".
Against that backdrop, £1.5million is a good bit of business. We are a selling club, get used to it. |
There's nothing to get used its rarely if ever been any different, we've little option but sell saleable assets, but its more so these day's. |  |
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| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 16:56 - Jan 17 with 803 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 15:39 - Jan 17 by Whiterockin |
Hasn't Martin been told he can't play him. |
These are the exact words from the press conference .
“We’ve had bids for two of our players — one of those is Morgan.
“With that in mind, Morgan won't be involved at the weekend with that hanging over his head. I’ve been really pleased with him since he’s come back, but the reality is that if he plays one minute for us, he can’t go to that club.
“Hopefully that situation will be resolved really quickly both for him and for us and we can move on with some certainty."
Nothing about any instruction from the Owners. | |
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| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 17:08 - Jan 17 with 777 views | Whiterockin |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 16:56 - Jan 17 by ReslovenSwan1 |
These are the exact words from the press conference .
“We’ve had bids for two of our players — one of those is Morgan.
“With that in mind, Morgan won't be involved at the weekend with that hanging over his head. I’ve been really pleased with him since he’s come back, but the reality is that if he plays one minute for us, he can’t go to that club.
“Hopefully that situation will be resolved really quickly both for him and for us and we can move on with some certainty."
Nothing about any instruction from the Owners. |
Who has told Martin we are selling him, apparently when we brought him back it was not to sell. So the agenda changed by someone and we are now selling. Therefore he has been told he can't play him. | | | |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 18:26 - Jan 17 with 723 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 17:08 - Jan 17 by Whiterockin |
Who has told Martin we are selling him, apparently when we brought him back it was not to sell. So the agenda changed by someone and we are now selling. Therefore he has been told he can't play him. |
Martin has never said he likes the player and sees him in his team. His actions suggest the opposite in fact.
Martin is the club mouthpiece and Martin picks the team. The owners have given him the player to either play or sell. He stated the player was not brought back to the club by the Ownership group to sell. This is true nothing has changed.
It is Martins decision to play or sell. It always has been. He is the Manager. It was the Ownership group's decision only to return him to the club. The next move is down to Martin in my opinion.
You conclusion that he is working under instruction is n my opinion false I could be wrong of course. I am honest enough to consider this a possibility. | |
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| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 18:30 - Jan 17 with 715 views | jack247 |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 18:26 - Jan 17 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Martin has never said he likes the player and sees him in his team. His actions suggest the opposite in fact.
Martin is the club mouthpiece and Martin picks the team. The owners have given him the player to either play or sell. He stated the player was not brought back to the club by the Ownership group to sell. This is true nothing has changed.
It is Martins decision to play or sell. It always has been. He is the Manager. It was the Ownership group's decision only to return him to the club. The next move is down to Martin in my opinion.
You conclusion that he is working under instruction is n my opinion false I could be wrong of course. I am honest enough to consider this a possibility. |
They’ve brought the player back against both his and the managers wishes. You don’t need to read too far between the lines on this one. | | | |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 18:35 - Jan 17 with 705 views | KeithHaynes |
| So Rangers interested in Whittaker on 17:08 - Jan 17 by Whiterockin |
Who has told Martin we are selling him, apparently when we brought him back it was not to sell. So the agenda changed by someone and we are now selling. Therefore he has been told he can't play him. |
Hence the article last night. Which a few haven’t got the capacity to grasp. | |
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