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Bucha massacre 01:54 - Dec 23 with 14535 viewsdeanscfc

Reluctant to start anything more about Russia's invasion of Ukraine but I feel that this particular subject needs attention.

Remember when a handful of people here did their best to try and deny Russia's war crimes in Bucha? Well here is the NY Times investigation into what happened. As conclusive as it gets with video footage, audio, images, call history etc.

Of course it won't be a surprise to any normal person, but I do think that those who tried to spread Kremlin propaganda should be shamed for it. I would say 'ashamed', but they won't be, as you have to already have something quite wrong with you to support Russia in this.

Investigation here. 30 minute video and report:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/video/russia-ukraine-bucha-massacre-takeaways
[Post edited 23 Dec 2022 1:54]
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Bucha massacre on 00:36 - Jan 31 with 1354 viewsDJack

Russian terror state...

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-big-plans-for-ukraines-nuclear-power-plan

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Bucha massacre on 07:15 - Feb 2 with 1259 viewsfelixstowe_jack

I see a Russian officer has admitted that Russia tortured and maltreated Ukrainian prisoners of war.

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Bucha massacre on 08:25 - Feb 2 with 1239 viewsBoundy

Bucha massacre on 07:15 - Feb 2 by felixstowe_jack

I see a Russian officer has admitted that Russia tortured and maltreated Ukrainian prisoners of war.


Sad to say . but that's not a new phenomenon either with the Russians nor other armies.

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Bucha massacre on 11:06 - Feb 2 with 1228 viewscontroversial_jack

Bucha massacre on 07:15 - Feb 2 by felixstowe_jack

I see a Russian officer has admitted that Russia tortured and maltreated Ukrainian prisoners of war.


Did they get waterboarded?
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Bucha massacre on 18:21 - Feb 2 with 1197 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Bucha massacre on 11:06 - Feb 2 by controversial_jack

Did they get waterboarded?


I don't know I can't speak Russian but the Russian soldier is on the BBC 6 o'clock news at the moment.

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Bucha massacre on 16:12 - Feb 10 with 1149 viewsfelixstowe_jack

It seems the Russian have escalated the war on Ukraine by sending missiles and Drones across Moldovan and Romanian airspace to attack Ukraine were the air defences are weaker.

This is a serious escalation by the Russians as Romania is in NATO.

NATO would now be justified in sending air defence systems to Romania to shoot down Russian missiles approaching Romania.

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Bucha massacre on 17:15 - Feb 10 with 1123 viewsBoundy

Bucha massacre on 16:12 - Feb 10 by felixstowe_jack

It seems the Russian have escalated the war on Ukraine by sending missiles and Drones across Moldovan and Romanian airspace to attack Ukraine were the air defences are weaker.

This is a serious escalation by the Russians as Romania is in NATO.

NATO would now be justified in sending air defence systems to Romania to shoot down Russian missiles approaching Romania.


Yes indeed a another dangerous moment and just shows how little disregard Putin has for sovereign states , Ukraine has stated that they shot down 61 missiles today but enough got through to cause significant destruction on CIVILIANS targets,

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Bucha massacre on 18:52 - Feb 10 with 1092 viewscontroversial_jack

Bucha massacre on 17:15 - Feb 10 by Boundy

Yes indeed a another dangerous moment and just shows how little disregard Putin has for sovereign states , Ukraine has stated that they shot down 61 missiles today but enough got through to cause significant destruction on CIVILIANS targets,


Are these the missiles the Russians didn't have a few weeks ago?
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Bucha massacre on 22:29 - Feb 10 with 1078 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Bucha massacre on 18:52 - Feb 10 by controversial_jack

Are these the missiles the Russians didn't have a few weeks ago?


The Russian have always has a few missiles and drones from Turkey just they have such limited supplies they can only launch attacks with 50 or 60 every week or so . Most get shot down so they launched then from the Black Sea flying over Moldova and Romania in the hope of evading Ukraine Air defences.

ROMANIA is NATO member so Russia has escalated the war.

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Bucha massacre on 23:42 - Feb 10 with 1060 viewscontroversial_jack

Bucha massacre on 22:29 - Feb 10 by felixstowe_jack

The Russian have always has a few missiles and drones from Turkey just they have such limited supplies they can only launch attacks with 50 or 60 every week or so . Most get shot down so they launched then from the Black Sea flying over Moldova and Romania in the hope of evading Ukraine Air defences.

ROMANIA is NATO member so Russia has escalated the war.


Wrong again. Romania has confirmed it didn't happen

https://www.scotsman.com/news/world/war-in-ukraine-romania-denies-ukrainian-mili
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Bucha massacre on 08:11 - Feb 11 with 1040 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Bucha massacre on 23:42 - Feb 10 by controversial_jack

Wrong again. Romania has confirmed it didn't happen

https://www.scotsman.com/news/world/war-in-ukraine-romania-denies-ukrainian-mili


What about Moldova then?

Radar tracking has shown they crossed both Moldova and Romania.

Romania is pro Russian and depends on Russia for 25% of its gas and oil supplies . It is not in a position to condem Russia without facing the Russians cutting of this supply. Similar to Germany at the start of the war which was almost totally dependent on Russian gas. This was why Germany was so slow to support Ukraine with defensive weapons.
Politics is a murkey business.

What are your views on the findings of yesterday's report that Putin was responsible for authorising the supply of the Missile to Russian separatist that shot down the Malaysian flight over Ukraine.

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Bucha massacre on 10:07 - Feb 11 with 1024 viewscontroversial_jack

Bucha massacre on 08:11 - Feb 11 by felixstowe_jack

What about Moldova then?

Radar tracking has shown they crossed both Moldova and Romania.

Romania is pro Russian and depends on Russia for 25% of its gas and oil supplies . It is not in a position to condem Russia without facing the Russians cutting of this supply. Similar to Germany at the start of the war which was almost totally dependent on Russian gas. This was why Germany was so slow to support Ukraine with defensive weapons.
Politics is a murkey business.

What are your views on the findings of yesterday's report that Putin was responsible for authorising the supply of the Missile to Russian separatist that shot down the Malaysian flight over Ukraine.


It's been totally refuted by Romania,. move on.

There's no proof Russian separatists shot down that aircraft, just speculation and accusation.So what if he did? Countries sell and supply arms to other countries all the time.We are doing it right now, giving arms to a non NATO country. Move on.,
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Bucha massacre on 22:59 - Feb 11 with 988 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Bucha massacre on 10:07 - Feb 11 by controversial_jack

It's been totally refuted by Romania,. move on.

There's no proof Russian separatists shot down that aircraft, just speculation and accusation.So what if he did? Countries sell and supply arms to other countries all the time.We are doing it right now, giving arms to a non NATO country. Move on.,


No proof you are having a laugh. It was a Russian missile, supplied by , fired by Russian troops and their allies who took part in the initial invasion of Ukraine .

Accident investigation has proved that as well as satellite images showing the movement of anti aircraft missile system crossing the border and returning to Russia.

Russians and Ukrainians separatist were tried in a court in the Netherlands and found guilty. How much more proof do you need. Did the plane just fall out of the sky?

The report yesterday consisting of representatives from five countries found on balance that Putin must have authorised the missile system being sent to Ukraine. The Russian military would not have done this without authority.

We are sending weapons to a sovereign nation which has been invaded by Russia.

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Bucha massacre on 10:31 - Feb 12 with 962 viewscontroversial_jack

Bucha massacre on 22:59 - Feb 11 by felixstowe_jack

No proof you are having a laugh. It was a Russian missile, supplied by , fired by Russian troops and their allies who took part in the initial invasion of Ukraine .

Accident investigation has proved that as well as satellite images showing the movement of anti aircraft missile system crossing the border and returning to Russia.

Russians and Ukrainians separatist were tried in a court in the Netherlands and found guilty. How much more proof do you need. Did the plane just fall out of the sky?

The report yesterday consisting of representatives from five countries found on balance that Putin must have authorised the missile system being sent to Ukraine. The Russian military would not have done this without authority.

We are sending weapons to a sovereign nation which has been invaded by Russia.


They found on balance, that doesn't sound very convincing.

International courts blamed Libya for Lockerbie, but it was Iran that did it.That's how much I trust International courts.

So what if Putin did authorize it, he doesn't need our approval.
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Bucha massacre on 10:04 - Feb 13 with 910 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Bucha massacre on 10:31 - Feb 12 by controversial_jack

They found on balance, that doesn't sound very convincing.

International courts blamed Libya for Lockerbie, but it was Iran that did it.That's how much I trust International courts.

So what if Putin did authorize it, he doesn't need our approval.


It is authorise not authorize.

Strange how Libya has admitted it.

Glad you agree that Putin was to blame. Of course he does not need our permission to commit a criminal act. What a silly statement to make
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Bucha massacre on 10:11 - Feb 13 with 905 viewscontroversial_jack

Bucha massacre on 10:04 - Feb 13 by felixstowe_jack

It is authorise not authorize.

Strange how Libya has admitted it.

Glad you agree that Putin was to blame. Of course he does not need our permission to commit a criminal act. What a silly statement to make
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Iran shot it down in retaliation for when the US shot down that civillian airliner

https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/2720276/former-us-intelligence-agent-say
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Bucha massacre on 23:33 - Feb 15 with 864 viewsBoundy

Send yours but I'm not sending mine


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Bucha massacre on 12:18 - Feb 16 with 838 viewsDJack

Bucha massacre on 23:33 - Feb 15 by Boundy

Send yours but I'm not sending mine



What he doesn't mention, is something that is no problem to the majority in the west, that his son is known to be bisexual. It is not worthy of noting over here but it is a crime over there (when the authorities want it to be).

Additionally, as well as pushing nuclear anihalation of the west Solovyov has besmirched gay men as f*gg*ts and raged that many adult kids of russians have avoided the war. Hypocrit much!

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Bucha massacre on 13:38 - Feb 16 with 833 viewsBoundy

Bucha massacre on 12:18 - Feb 16 by DJack

What he doesn't mention, is something that is no problem to the majority in the west, that his son is known to be bisexual. It is not worthy of noting over here but it is a crime over there (when the authorities want it to be).

Additionally, as well as pushing nuclear anihalation of the west Solovyov has besmirched gay men as f*gg*ts and raged that many adult kids of russians have avoided the war. Hypocrit much!


I've watched quite a lot of his broadcasts and boy has he aged, that and his rants which have become more nonsensical ,I have to guess he's losing the plot .he's had quite a few rants questioning the direction the war is heading so that tired ,haggard look is there for a reason .

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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