| New Manager: odds on 09:50 - May 30 with 4155 views | bosh67 |
| New Manager: odds on 20:38 - May 29 by PlanetHonneywood |
Bosh out, sh1te game management; tactically clueless and smells like his pished his pants! |
“sh1te game management; tactically clueless and smells like his pished his pants!” This is usually my girlfriend’s report card for me after sex! [Post edited 30 May 2022 9:52]
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| New Manager: odds on 10:15 - May 30 with 3951 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| New Manager: odds on 09:50 - May 30 by bosh67 |
“sh1te game management; tactically clueless and smells like his pished his pants!” This is usually my girlfriend’s report card for me after sex! [Post edited 30 May 2022 9:52]
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Where do you think I got it from? |  |
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| New Manager: odds on 11:24 - May 30 with 3627 views | Antti_Heinola |
| New Manager: odds on 09:38 - May 30 by francisbowles |
Sounds like the perfect recipe for stopping greedy players and agents draining the game of money it can't afford. It might make for a more level playing field as clubs could afford more and better players, it might lead to more spending on facilities and It might even filter down to a reduction in ticket prices. |
Or clubs could just refuse to pay 'greedy' players/agents. Blaming agents and players for clubs paying more money than they can afford is absurd.
Very glad some players can manage their own careers without agents, but do w really think the majority of footballers, particularly at a young age, are equpped to do that? The narrative here is that clubs are by nature honest, decent and fair in negotiations, while agents are parasitical leeches. Ask yourself who has shaped that narrative and why. |  |
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| New Manager: odds on 11:28 - May 30 with 3593 views | PinnerPaul |
From my experience of agents in my former professional life - they are usually under qualified and totally unsuited to the role. |  | | |
| New Manager: odds on 11:42 - May 30 with 3534 views | Antti_Heinola |
| New Manager: odds on 11:28 - May 30 by PinnerPaul |
From my experience of agents in my former professional life - they are usually under qualified and totally unsuited to the role. |
Now this may be correct, but that's a different issue.
Also loads of decent, reputable agents about. Isn't Martin Rowlands an agent? Is he a parasite? | |
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| New Manager: odds on 11:42 - May 30 with 3533 views | 100percent |
| New Manager: odds on 11:28 - May 30 by PinnerPaul |
From my experience of agents in my former professional life - they are usually under qualified and totally unsuited to the role. |
Nah Paul, every agent I've ever met is perfectly suited to the role, smarmy, self serving and completely full of themselves.... as for unqualified, well.... |  | | |
| New Manager: odds on 12:00 - May 30 with 3430 views | CamberleyR |
| New Manager: odds on 11:24 - May 30 by Antti_Heinola |
Or clubs could just refuse to pay 'greedy' players/agents. Blaming agents and players for clubs paying more money than they can afford is absurd.
Very glad some players can manage their own careers without agents, but do w really think the majority of footballers, particularly at a young age, are equpped to do that? The narrative here is that clubs are by nature honest, decent and fair in negotiations, while agents are parasitical leeches. Ask yourself who has shaped that narrative and why. |
"but do we really think the majority of footballers, particularly at a young age, are equipped to do that? "
The PFA would happily do that job for them I suspect, they are the professional footballers' trade union after all, who are supposed to represent the players' interests. |  |
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| New Manager: odds on 12:05 - May 30 with 3394 views | QPR_Jim |
| New Manager: odds on 11:24 - May 30 by Antti_Heinola |
Or clubs could just refuse to pay 'greedy' players/agents. Blaming agents and players for clubs paying more money than they can afford is absurd.
Very glad some players can manage their own careers without agents, but do w really think the majority of footballers, particularly at a young age, are equpped to do that? The narrative here is that clubs are by nature honest, decent and fair in negotiations, while agents are parasitical leeches. Ask yourself who has shaped that narrative and why. |
I agree that they are needed but currently there's no regulation of the industry, so they're seen as able to do whatever they want. It's also a strange model where the club pays for your agent and they can negotiate a fee.
As with anything there's good and bad examples but in this case a good agent goes unnoticed and a bad one ends up in the news, like Kia Joorabchin. So that's how they get a bad reputation in my opinion. |  | | |
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| New Manager: odds on 12:24 - May 30 with 3263 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| New Manager: odds on 12:05 - May 30 by QPR_Jim |
I agree that they are needed but currently there's no regulation of the industry, so they're seen as able to do whatever they want. It's also a strange model where the club pays for your agent and they can negotiate a fee.
As with anything there's good and bad examples but in this case a good agent goes unnoticed and a bad one ends up in the news, like Kia Joorabchin. So that's how they get a bad reputation in my opinion. |
Kia Joorabichan is a great agent for his players. |  | | |
| New Manager: odds on 12:27 - May 30 with 3227 views | Hunterhoop |
| New Manager: odds on 12:24 - May 30 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Kia Joorabichan is a great agent for his players. |
Not even a licensed, registered agent, is he? Just an “advisor”, I think. |  | | |
| New Manager: odds on 12:33 - May 30 with 3169 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| New Manager: odds on 12:27 - May 30 by Hunterhoop |
Not even a licensed, registered agent, is he? Just an “advisor”, I think. |
Whatever he is, and however much we resent him, his clients should dedicate a wing to him. | | | |
| New Manager: odds on 12:50 - May 30 with 3045 views | CamberleyR |
So Blackburn's search seems about as fruitless as ours. | |
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| New Manager: odds on 12:54 - May 30 with 3011 views | Rangersw12 |
Maybe we should just ring Warburton up and say we've made a massive mistake 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ | | | |
| New Manager: odds on 12:58 - May 30 with 2949 views | kropotkin41 |
| New Manager: odds on 12:54 - May 30 by Rangersw12 |
Maybe we should just ring Warburton up and say we've made a massive mistake 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
I think someone else would then need to fall on their sword.
If the trapdoor does creak open beneath us next season, maybe having a League One experienced manager wouldn't be such a bad thing. This all feels pretty gloomy at the moment. Brace for impact. |  |
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| New Manager: odds on 12:59 - May 30 with 2939 views | BklynRanger |
Get Rotovator Robinson in and let's get on with it |  | | |
| New Manager: odds on 13:02 - May 30 with 2907 views | Antti_Heinola |
| New Manager: odds on 12:00 - May 30 by CamberleyR |
"but do we really think the majority of footballers, particularly at a young age, are equipped to do that? "
The PFA would happily do that job for them I suspect, they are the professional footballers' trade union after all, who are supposed to represent the players' interests. |
An oft-heard refrain, probably not been relevant for about 30 years. If the PFA do such a great job, why don't more playters use them? How many people would the PFA have to employ if they did all those dealings for every player on a contract in football (thousands of people, constantly changing clubs)? And why on earth should a player not be able to choose who represents them?
Look, as others have said, clearly there are 'good' agents and 'bad' agents for want of more nuanced terminology, but that could apply to literally every profession on earth. Players have an absolute right to negotiate the best possible deal for themselves, using whoever they like to do it. Clubs LOVE to paint agents as the bad guys - it's an easy get out for them. 'if it wasn't for agents we'd have so much more money in the game' - bullsh!t. Redknapp was *notorious* for this deceit, but his entire transfer strategy was based around agents. Clubs could stand up tomorrow and as a group refuse to pay fees they think are unfair. They won't do it though, because they want to keep the option open. I'd actually also say that the very presence of unscrupulous agents makes it even more important that 'good' agents do exist. | |
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| New Manager: odds on 13:31 - May 30 with 2676 views | QPR_Jim |
| New Manager: odds on 12:33 - May 30 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Whatever he is, and however much we resent him, his clients should dedicate a wing to him. |
Perhaps, but my point is that the perception of agents is damaged by characters like him.
Shame Beales been ruled out, would have been interesting. | | | |
| New Manager: odds on 13:35 - May 30 with 2633 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| New Manager: odds on 13:31 - May 30 by QPR_Jim |
Perhaps, but my point is that the perception of agents is damaged by characters like him.
Shame Beales been ruled out, would have been interesting. |
Absolutely on both points | | | |
| New Manager: odds on 13:37 - May 30 with 2619 views | DannyPaddox |
Hours, days, weeks of fun! |  | | |
| New Manager: odds on 14:15 - May 30 with 2375 views | daveB |
| New Manager: odds on 12:50 - May 30 by CamberleyR |
So Blackburn's search seems about as fruitless as ours. |
has our search been fruitless? They've spent a few weeks interviewing people and trying to find the best person for the job. I'd expect them to have a new manager if not this week then early part of next week which is still several weeks before pre season starts.
A lot is made of needing people in place now to get transfers ready but we do have a recruitment team at the club who have surely been working on targets for a while.
I find the general doom and gloom at the moment a bit baffling. |  | | |
| New Manager: odds on 14:21 - May 30 with 2318 views | PinnerPaul |
| New Manager: odds on 11:42 - May 30 by Antti_Heinola |
Now this may be correct, but that's a different issue.
Also loads of decent, reputable agents about. Isn't Martin Rowlands an agent? Is he a parasite? |
Just for the record AH - it wasn't me who called them 'parasites' - as I said above, my observations are based on my experience of dealing with them on a professional basis. | | | |
| New Manager: odds on 14:25 - May 30 with 2272 views | aston_hoop |
| New Manager: odds on 12:50 - May 30 by CamberleyR |
So Blackburn's search seems about as fruitless as ours. |
Duncan Ferguson is odds-on for the Blackburn job now. I don't think that will end well |  |
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| New Manager: odds on 14:26 - May 30 with 2248 views | PinnerPaul |
| New Manager: odds on 13:02 - May 30 by Antti_Heinola |
An oft-heard refrain, probably not been relevant for about 30 years. If the PFA do such a great job, why don't more playters use them? How many people would the PFA have to employ if they did all those dealings for every player on a contract in football (thousands of people, constantly changing clubs)? And why on earth should a player not be able to choose who represents them?
Look, as others have said, clearly there are 'good' agents and 'bad' agents for want of more nuanced terminology, but that could apply to literally every profession on earth. Players have an absolute right to negotiate the best possible deal for themselves, using whoever they like to do it. Clubs LOVE to paint agents as the bad guys - it's an easy get out for them. 'if it wasn't for agents we'd have so much more money in the game' - bullsh!t. Redknapp was *notorious* for this deceit, but his entire transfer strategy was based around agents. Clubs could stand up tomorrow and as a group refuse to pay fees they think are unfair. They won't do it though, because they want to keep the option open. I'd actually also say that the very presence of unscrupulous agents makes it even more important that 'good' agents do exist. |
Yes agree with most of that.
In Horseracing, Tony McCoy and Richard Johnson, amongst many others put their success, in part, down to the now retired and legendary, in the sport, Dave Roberts who represented loads of jockeys.
Finding and organising rides in a 7 days a week sport like that would be/is impossible for a rider to take on themselves, if they have anything more than a handful of rides a week. | | | |
| New Manager: odds on 14:58 - May 30 with 2050 views | qprmarkoct1966 |
Apparently a deal has been done , announcement due later this week , i would expect Karl Robinson which i would be ok with him , can not give any hp sauce ! | | | |
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