| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:08 - Sep 19 with 1266 views | Kerouac |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 15:28 - Sep 19 by Kilkennyjack |
Our chirpy joker appears a bit rattled and defensive .... 😂
Imigrant camps in France were used by the BBC to scare the old and the racists before the 2016 Referendum. Nightly shock tactics. Not the same coverage since cos not needed any more.
Wales is still called a Principality by the BBC on a routine basis. Not in the past tense of 600 years ago, but very much the present tense, presumably with Carlo at the helm ? BBC loves all royals except Meghan. I wonder why that is...? What is so different about her ? I mean even that Prince Andrew bloke - Jeffs friend - gets a free pass ffs.
Farage in a fascist. BBC should no platform people like him.
Why did he get more air time than elected politicians in the sovereign Westmonster parliament. Why ? Unless you wanted to move the discussion in a particular direction of course ...
And we all know both Laura K and Andrew Marr were Tory supporters. No pretending its fair and equal, the BBC dont care any more.
Stick with the hilarious photos if i was you ...cracking laugh you ...👠|
Define Fascist, and then explain how Farage meets that criteria.
Go on, give it a go, don't run away and pretend to yourself you've made a valid point.
Re: Andrew Marr
"“I knew Andrew Marr when he was a Trotskyite selling Trotskyite newspapers to bewildered railywaymen”
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 01:20 - Sep 20 with 1238 views | Kerouac |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 18:05 - Sep 19 by LeonWasGod |
I think it depends on the programme. It can be biased in all different ways at the same time as there are so many different programmes with different teams behind them. So Farage gets disproportionately platformed to feck on QT and there are right wing activists plants in the audience (they’ve a politically active audience fixer), yet on the next day you could have Emily Maitlis opening Newsnight with a full frontal attack on the government.
I think your incompetence angle is true in some cases, but not many. A major weakness though is putting commentators up against professionals ‘for balance’. So you end up with the likes of Tom Harwood being put up against politicians and presented as a serious journalist, which is obviously bollox. I’m sure there are cases when it’s true on ‘the other side’ too.
You’re spot on about it being more impartial than a lot (maybe offering a broader range of views than most would be a slightly clearer way of putting it). And that’s the problem for the anti-BBCers. They all come from this new populist/authoritarian-supporting sect like the OP. They don’t want anyone to present different views (this is why we've talk of the backers of the right wing side of the Tories setting up a channel like Fox News). They don’t want news, they want propaganda to spread. Which is proven by the OP copying and pasting stuff from the likes of the Mail/Express and political activist sites non stop. |
Dear, dear. Where to start.
1.
1999 European Elections
Total UK votes for the major European Parties = approx. 8.9m votes
Tories = 3.6m votes
Labour = 2.8m votes
Lib Dems = 1.25m votes
UKIP = 700k votes
Greens = 625k votes
2004 European Elections
Total UK votes for the major European Parties = approx. 14.1m votes
Tories = 4.4m votes
Labour = 3.7m votes
UKIP = 2.65m votes
Lib Dems = 2.45m votes
Greens = 950k votes
- In 2007 the Lib Dems first call for an in/out referendum on the subject (this was a response to UKIP gaining 2 million(!) votes). It was a fight the Lib Dems thought they could win.
2009 European Elections:
Total UK votes for the major European Parties = approx. 12.5m votes
Tories = 4.2m votes
UKIP = 2.5m votes
Labour = 2.4m votes
Lib Dems = 2.1m votes
Greens = 1.3m
- European Sovereign debt crisis happens during this European Parliament.
- at the 2010 General Election, which saw the Lib Dems enter into a Coalition Government with the Conservatives, the Lib Dems included a carefully caveated manifesto promise to hold a referendum:
“the next time a British government signs up for fundamental change in the relationship between the UK and the EU”.
- In a speech in 2013 Cameron commits the Tories to a referendum on Europe.
2014 European Elections:
UKIP won: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-27572451
Total UK votes for the major European Parties = approx. 14.5m votes
UKIP = 4.4m votes
Labour = 4m votes
Tories = 3.8m votes
Greens = 1.25m votes
Lib Dems = 1.1m votes
- The Tories offer a referendum on Europe in their 2015 General Election manifesto
- Brexit referendum is held, we vote to leave the EU. There is an outstanding turnout, leave wins by 1.7m votes.
- The political establishment try to arrange for a 'leave in name only' scenario. This scheme fails
2019 European Elections:
Total UK votes for the major European Parties = approx. 14.35m votes
Brexit party = 5.25m votes
Lib Dems = 3.35m votes
Labour = 2.35m votes
Greens = 1.9m votes
Tories = 1.5m votes
...and in this context the BBC included UKIP on their politics programmes and you believe this is evidence of their bias!
In your world it would have been fair and reasonable for the BBC to ignore those European Election results? To have pretended that a growing number of people had been dissatisfied with the EU through the first decade of this century? and now the EU was dealing with a Sovereign debt crisis and a crocked currency and were seeking to change European treaties to pretend that this was irrelevant to the UK voting public?
That is your idea of a fair BBC?
It explains a lot about how you see the world.
In reality it was massive news and everybody was talking about events in Europe, which made it impossible for the BBC to ignore.
In that context Nigel Farage was an important political figure, he had made himself important by leading a political revolution. Of course he was invited on the BBC to represent those that had voted to leave the EU, he was best placed to do that.
The other parties sent somebody different on the BBC every week. Farage dominated UKIP.
2. "...there are right wing activists plants in the audience (they’ve a politically active audience fixer)"
This is either ignorant or your deliberately misleading people.
The way QT works is that all of the political parties plant people in the audience.
A friend of mine used to do this for Plaid Cymru!
3. ..."And that’s the problem for the anti-BBCers. They all come from this new populist/authoritarian-supporting sect like the OP. They don’t want anyone to present different views (this is why we've talk of the backers of the right wing side of the Tories setting up a channel like Fox News). They don’t want news, they want propaganda to spread. Which is proven by the OP copying and pasting stuff from the likes of the Mail/Express and political activist sites non stop."
I am an ex-Lib Dem who has ended up voting Conservative as I have come to realise that of the political parties that have a chance of gaining power, they are the most sane.
Free speech is a core principle of mine.
I don't believe anyone who actually reads my posts and is honest could argue that point.
I expect the BBC to have the highest standards re: non biased coverage, right now they don't and haven't for some time. It is not good enough. They represent us, not you or me.
You say I am authoritarian, please provide evidence to back up this claim (from my posting history) or retract.
Re: your last sentence, again, everybody who goes through my posting history will see links to all kinds of sources, left/right/independent.
It really annoys people like you when somebody who disagrees with you quotes from the Mail or the Express or the Telegraph...yet when you quote sources of the left I always address the point you were trying to make rather than waste time rubbishing the source.
Why is that do you think?
Why do you think that all you have to do is smear the source and then,magically, you win?
It's not a very bright way of arguing your case to be honest.
What gets me is when one of your stripe rubbishes a source, and then I provide the same information as reported in 'The Guardian' (or similar)...not one of you have ever replied with, "fair play, now I believe the info, as it's from a source I trust"....not one of you have ever apologised for making the smear of the source in the first place.
Now, you have allowed yourself the license to imagine what I think and offer reasons why I (and people like me) post as I do ...so it's only fair that I get to play that game too isn't it...
Q. Do you know why you don't address the points and instead smear the source?
A. Because your mind is closed and you are not interested in finding out what the truth might be. If you were interested in what you can learn you would engage in a debate, like I do.
Q. Do you know why you are reduced to pretending that I am "populist/authoritarian"?
A. Because you don't believe in your own ability to win an argument with reason, so you smear instead.
Q. Do you know why you are seriously arguing that 1 sometimes (if we are very, very lucky) 2 'Brexiteers' appearing on a BBC debate vs 3 or 4 'Remainers' is somehow unfair or biased?
A. Because you don't know your arse from your elbow. [Post edited 20 Sep 2020 1:31]
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 08:20 - Sep 20 with 1194 views | Kilkennyjack |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 01:20 - Sep 20 by Kerouac |
Dear, dear. Where to start.
1.
1999 European Elections
Total UK votes for the major European Parties = approx. 8.9m votes
Tories = 3.6m votes
Labour = 2.8m votes
Lib Dems = 1.25m votes
UKIP = 700k votes
Greens = 625k votes
2004 European Elections
Total UK votes for the major European Parties = approx. 14.1m votes
Tories = 4.4m votes
Labour = 3.7m votes
UKIP = 2.65m votes
Lib Dems = 2.45m votes
Greens = 950k votes
- In 2007 the Lib Dems first call for an in/out referendum on the subject (this was a response to UKIP gaining 2 million(!) votes). It was a fight the Lib Dems thought they could win.
2009 European Elections:
Total UK votes for the major European Parties = approx. 12.5m votes
Tories = 4.2m votes
UKIP = 2.5m votes
Labour = 2.4m votes
Lib Dems = 2.1m votes
Greens = 1.3m
- European Sovereign debt crisis happens during this European Parliament.
- at the 2010 General Election, which saw the Lib Dems enter into a Coalition Government with the Conservatives, the Lib Dems included a carefully caveated manifesto promise to hold a referendum:
“the next time a British government signs up for fundamental change in the relationship between the UK and the EU”.
- In a speech in 2013 Cameron commits the Tories to a referendum on Europe.
2014 European Elections:
UKIP won: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-27572451
Total UK votes for the major European Parties = approx. 14.5m votes
UKIP = 4.4m votes
Labour = 4m votes
Tories = 3.8m votes
Greens = 1.25m votes
Lib Dems = 1.1m votes
- The Tories offer a referendum on Europe in their 2015 General Election manifesto
- Brexit referendum is held, we vote to leave the EU. There is an outstanding turnout, leave wins by 1.7m votes.
- The political establishment try to arrange for a 'leave in name only' scenario. This scheme fails
2019 European Elections:
Total UK votes for the major European Parties = approx. 14.35m votes
Brexit party = 5.25m votes
Lib Dems = 3.35m votes
Labour = 2.35m votes
Greens = 1.9m votes
Tories = 1.5m votes
...and in this context the BBC included UKIP on their politics programmes and you believe this is evidence of their bias!
In your world it would have been fair and reasonable for the BBC to ignore those European Election results? To have pretended that a growing number of people had been dissatisfied with the EU through the first decade of this century? and now the EU was dealing with a Sovereign debt crisis and a crocked currency and were seeking to change European treaties to pretend that this was irrelevant to the UK voting public?
That is your idea of a fair BBC?
It explains a lot about how you see the world.
In reality it was massive news and everybody was talking about events in Europe, which made it impossible for the BBC to ignore.
In that context Nigel Farage was an important political figure, he had made himself important by leading a political revolution. Of course he was invited on the BBC to represent those that had voted to leave the EU, he was best placed to do that.
The other parties sent somebody different on the BBC every week. Farage dominated UKIP.
2. "...there are right wing activists plants in the audience (they’ve a politically active audience fixer)"
This is either ignorant or your deliberately misleading people.
The way QT works is that all of the political parties plant people in the audience.
A friend of mine used to do this for Plaid Cymru!
3. ..."And that’s the problem for the anti-BBCers. They all come from this new populist/authoritarian-supporting sect like the OP. They don’t want anyone to present different views (this is why we've talk of the backers of the right wing side of the Tories setting up a channel like Fox News). They don’t want news, they want propaganda to spread. Which is proven by the OP copying and pasting stuff from the likes of the Mail/Express and political activist sites non stop."
I am an ex-Lib Dem who has ended up voting Conservative as I have come to realise that of the political parties that have a chance of gaining power, they are the most sane.
Free speech is a core principle of mine.
I don't believe anyone who actually reads my posts and is honest could argue that point.
I expect the BBC to have the highest standards re: non biased coverage, right now they don't and haven't for some time. It is not good enough. They represent us, not you or me.
You say I am authoritarian, please provide evidence to back up this claim (from my posting history) or retract.
Re: your last sentence, again, everybody who goes through my posting history will see links to all kinds of sources, left/right/independent.
It really annoys people like you when somebody who disagrees with you quotes from the Mail or the Express or the Telegraph...yet when you quote sources of the left I always address the point you were trying to make rather than waste time rubbishing the source.
Why is that do you think?
Why do you think that all you have to do is smear the source and then,magically, you win?
It's not a very bright way of arguing your case to be honest.
What gets me is when one of your stripe rubbishes a source, and then I provide the same information as reported in 'The Guardian' (or similar)...not one of you have ever replied with, "fair play, now I believe the info, as it's from a source I trust"....not one of you have ever apologised for making the smear of the source in the first place.
Now, you have allowed yourself the license to imagine what I think and offer reasons why I (and people like me) post as I do ...so it's only fair that I get to play that game too isn't it...
Q. Do you know why you don't address the points and instead smear the source?
A. Because your mind is closed and you are not interested in finding out what the truth might be. If you were interested in what you can learn you would engage in a debate, like I do.
Q. Do you know why you are reduced to pretending that I am "populist/authoritarian"?
A. Because you don't believe in your own ability to win an argument with reason, so you smear instead.
Q. Do you know why you are seriously arguing that 1 sometimes (if we are very, very lucky) 2 'Brexiteers' appearing on a BBC debate vs 3 or 4 'Remainers' is somehow unfair or biased?
A. Because you don't know your arse from your elbow. [Post edited 20 Sep 2020 1:31]
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 09:34 - Sep 20 with 1168 views | Kerouac |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 08:20 - Sep 20 by Kilkennyjack |
Too long to read. |
Define Fascist, and then explain how Farage meets that criteria.
Go on, give it a go, don't run away and pretend to yourself you've made a valid point.
Re: Andrew Marr
"“I knew Andrew Marr when he was a Trotskyite selling Trotskyite newspapers to bewildered railywaymen”
- George Galloway | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 11:35 - Sep 20 with 1147 views | Catullus |
Kerouac, to be honest I rubbish the Express because every time I have looked at a story on my news feed the headline is misleading and the story is spun beyond belief. I sort of tka e the MAil and the Guardian as roughly on a par, I could be wrong.
I too post links from the Mail, Guardian and Independent because the secret is to red both sides of the argument and try to figure out the truth. Not easy.
I agree about Farage, he got 4 million votes but didn't win any MP's yet the SNP got what, 35 MP's with far fewer votes, didn't they?
Calling Farage a Fascist is a bit strong when you see people like Geldof swearing and gesticulating at UK working class people (that boat on the Thames) when he's supposedly a working class hero! It's a long way from Boomtown to hating UK fishermen.
Ohterwise though, the BBC is more impartial than you can see because you look at it from your right wing perspective and notice more of the things you disagree with. |  |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 15:05 - Sep 20 with 1121 views | Humpty |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 01:20 - Sep 20 by Kerouac |
Dear, dear. Where to start.
1.
1999 European Elections
Total UK votes for the major European Parties = approx. 8.9m votes
Tories = 3.6m votes
Labour = 2.8m votes
Lib Dems = 1.25m votes
UKIP = 700k votes
Greens = 625k votes
2004 European Elections
Total UK votes for the major European Parties = approx. 14.1m votes
Tories = 4.4m votes
Labour = 3.7m votes
UKIP = 2.65m votes
Lib Dems = 2.45m votes
Greens = 950k votes
- In 2007 the Lib Dems first call for an in/out referendum on the subject (this was a response to UKIP gaining 2 million(!) votes). It was a fight the Lib Dems thought they could win.
2009 European Elections:
Total UK votes for the major European Parties = approx. 12.5m votes
Tories = 4.2m votes
UKIP = 2.5m votes
Labour = 2.4m votes
Lib Dems = 2.1m votes
Greens = 1.3m
- European Sovereign debt crisis happens during this European Parliament.
- at the 2010 General Election, which saw the Lib Dems enter into a Coalition Government with the Conservatives, the Lib Dems included a carefully caveated manifesto promise to hold a referendum:
“the next time a British government signs up for fundamental change in the relationship between the UK and the EU”.
- In a speech in 2013 Cameron commits the Tories to a referendum on Europe.
2014 European Elections:
UKIP won: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-27572451
Total UK votes for the major European Parties = approx. 14.5m votes
UKIP = 4.4m votes
Labour = 4m votes
Tories = 3.8m votes
Greens = 1.25m votes
Lib Dems = 1.1m votes
- The Tories offer a referendum on Europe in their 2015 General Election manifesto
- Brexit referendum is held, we vote to leave the EU. There is an outstanding turnout, leave wins by 1.7m votes.
- The political establishment try to arrange for a 'leave in name only' scenario. This scheme fails
2019 European Elections:
Total UK votes for the major European Parties = approx. 14.35m votes
Brexit party = 5.25m votes
Lib Dems = 3.35m votes
Labour = 2.35m votes
Greens = 1.9m votes
Tories = 1.5m votes
...and in this context the BBC included UKIP on their politics programmes and you believe this is evidence of their bias!
In your world it would have been fair and reasonable for the BBC to ignore those European Election results? To have pretended that a growing number of people had been dissatisfied with the EU through the first decade of this century? and now the EU was dealing with a Sovereign debt crisis and a crocked currency and were seeking to change European treaties to pretend that this was irrelevant to the UK voting public?
That is your idea of a fair BBC?
It explains a lot about how you see the world.
In reality it was massive news and everybody was talking about events in Europe, which made it impossible for the BBC to ignore.
In that context Nigel Farage was an important political figure, he had made himself important by leading a political revolution. Of course he was invited on the BBC to represent those that had voted to leave the EU, he was best placed to do that.
The other parties sent somebody different on the BBC every week. Farage dominated UKIP.
2. "...there are right wing activists plants in the audience (they’ve a politically active audience fixer)"
This is either ignorant or your deliberately misleading people.
The way QT works is that all of the political parties plant people in the audience.
A friend of mine used to do this for Plaid Cymru!
3. ..."And that’s the problem for the anti-BBCers. They all come from this new populist/authoritarian-supporting sect like the OP. They don’t want anyone to present different views (this is why we've talk of the backers of the right wing side of the Tories setting up a channel like Fox News). They don’t want news, they want propaganda to spread. Which is proven by the OP copying and pasting stuff from the likes of the Mail/Express and political activist sites non stop."
I am an ex-Lib Dem who has ended up voting Conservative as I have come to realise that of the political parties that have a chance of gaining power, they are the most sane.
Free speech is a core principle of mine.
I don't believe anyone who actually reads my posts and is honest could argue that point.
I expect the BBC to have the highest standards re: non biased coverage, right now they don't and haven't for some time. It is not good enough. They represent us, not you or me.
You say I am authoritarian, please provide evidence to back up this claim (from my posting history) or retract.
Re: your last sentence, again, everybody who goes through my posting history will see links to all kinds of sources, left/right/independent.
It really annoys people like you when somebody who disagrees with you quotes from the Mail or the Express or the Telegraph...yet when you quote sources of the left I always address the point you were trying to make rather than waste time rubbishing the source.
Why is that do you think?
Why do you think that all you have to do is smear the source and then,magically, you win?
It's not a very bright way of arguing your case to be honest.
What gets me is when one of your stripe rubbishes a source, and then I provide the same information as reported in 'The Guardian' (or similar)...not one of you have ever replied with, "fair play, now I believe the info, as it's from a source I trust"....not one of you have ever apologised for making the smear of the source in the first place.
Now, you have allowed yourself the license to imagine what I think and offer reasons why I (and people like me) post as I do ...so it's only fair that I get to play that game too isn't it...
Q. Do you know why you don't address the points and instead smear the source?
A. Because your mind is closed and you are not interested in finding out what the truth might be. If you were interested in what you can learn you would engage in a debate, like I do.
Q. Do you know why you are reduced to pretending that I am "populist/authoritarian"?
A. Because you don't believe in your own ability to win an argument with reason, so you smear instead.
Q. Do you know why you are seriously arguing that 1 sometimes (if we are very, very lucky) 2 'Brexiteers' appearing on a BBC debate vs 3 or 4 'Remainers' is somehow unfair or biased?
A. Because you don't know your arse from your elbow. [Post edited 20 Sep 2020 1:31]
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You claim that free speech is a core principle of yours yet for the last few months you've been saying that when crowds are allowed to attend games again you and others will force the players to stop taking the knee.
Isn't that a bit inconsistent?
Sounds similar to cancel culture to me, something you claim to despise. |  | | |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 15:16 - Sep 20 with 1117 views | Professor |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 11:35 - Sep 20 by Catullus |
Kerouac, to be honest I rubbish the Express because every time I have looked at a story on my news feed the headline is misleading and the story is spun beyond belief. I sort of tka e the MAil and the Guardian as roughly on a par, I could be wrong.
I too post links from the Mail, Guardian and Independent because the secret is to red both sides of the argument and try to figure out the truth. Not easy.
I agree about Farage, he got 4 million votes but didn't win any MP's yet the SNP got what, 35 MP's with far fewer votes, didn't they?
Calling Farage a Fascist is a bit strong when you see people like Geldof swearing and gesticulating at UK working class people (that boat on the Thames) when he's supposedly a working class hero! It's a long way from Boomtown to hating UK fishermen.
Ohterwise though, the BBC is more impartial than you can see because you look at it from your right wing perspective and notice more of the things you disagree with. |
Geldof is far from working class. Went to Blackrock College in Dublin | | | |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 15:25 - Sep 20 with 1114 views | Catullus |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 15:16 - Sep 20 by Professor |
Geldof is far from working class. Went to Blackrock College in Dublin |
Going to college/Uni doesn't stop you being working class Prof. sorry. After college (where Geldof claims he was bullied for being poor) he worked as a slaughterman, a pea canner and a navvy.
Obviously he won't see himself as working class now but isn't there a disticntion between being working class and being a working class hero?
I don't see him as any sort of hero to be honest. | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 15:41 - Sep 20 with 1109 views | Professor |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 15:25 - Sep 20 by Catullus |
Going to college/Uni doesn't stop you being working class Prof. sorry. After college (where Geldof claims he was bullied for being poor) he worked as a slaughterman, a pea canner and a navvy.
Obviously he won't see himself as working class now but isn't there a disticntion between being working class and being a working class hero?
I don't see him as any sort of hero to be honest. |
Elite fee paying school. Like Lennon, very middle class upbringing | | | |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 16:00 - Sep 20 with 1106 views | Catullus |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 15:41 - Sep 20 by Professor |
Elite fee paying school. Like Lennon, very middle class upbringing |
Portraying yourself as a working class hero doesn't mean you are working class though, look at Jeremy Corbyn, big posh house, fee paying school, I'm sure you understand the distinction?
Geldof has long seemed like a fraud to me. | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 16:41 - Sep 20 with 1097 views | Professor |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 16:00 - Sep 20 by Catullus |
Portraying yourself as a working class hero doesn't mean you are working class though, look at Jeremy Corbyn, big posh house, fee paying school, I'm sure you understand the distinction?
Geldof has long seemed like a fraud to me. |
Not a working class hero either-the working class voted in swathes for Johnson.
Geldof is an interesting character. I think a lot of his anger stemmed from the lack of separation between state and Catholic Church in the Republic which remained through into the 1980s. De Valera's shadow was long. | | | |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 17:38 - Sep 20 with 1075 views | onehunglow |
Prof.
You be done well in life on ability and graft.
Credit to you for that.
I ,however,in no way recognise class . I am my own man . I bow to no political vision only my own sense of what s right for me and the countryI live in.
Politicians of left and right use Class as fuel for power, nothing less. Gullible people vote for only one party they are brought up to believe is he right one..We all need to free ourselves of the chains of the Chapel and the Pit and the Steelworks.
My family were in business and suppose some would say wealthy. I saw little of it. My upbringing was in many ways life defining for me and leaving South Wales made me whole again.
By the way, both ice cream parlours were very busy when we went this week. Parkgaye is glorious.I wanted to move there but mrs against it as too is located. | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 18:21 - Sep 20 with 1061 views | Lohengrin |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 15:16 - Sep 20 by Professor |
Geldof is far from working class. Went to Blackrock College in Dublin |
In fairness I don’t think I’ve ever heard him lay any class-conscious claims, Prof.
His music isn’t my thing at all but this is just superb. 
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 18:26 - Sep 20 with 1052 views | Humpty |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 18:21 - Sep 20 by Lohengrin |
In fairness I don’t think I’ve ever heard him lay any class-conscious claims, Prof.
His music isn’t my thing at all but this is just superb.
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I wouldn't have thought you'd be a fan of anything Geldof did to be honest. | | | |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 18:35 - Sep 20 with 1043 views | Lohengrin |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 18:26 - Sep 20 by Humpty |
I wouldn't have thought you'd be a fan of anything Geldof did to be honest. |
I’m a fan of that, Hump.
I wouldn’t say that I knew too much about him to be honest, nothing over and above him not liking Mondays, Live Aid and a having his heart broken by a faithless wife.
Oh! and the fine wine quaffing scoff on The Thames at the Newlyn fishermen in the run-up to the Brexit vote. | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 18:39 - Sep 20 with 1040 views | Humpty |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 18:35 - Sep 20 by Lohengrin |
I’m a fan of that, Hump.
I wouldn’t say that I knew too much about him to be honest, nothing over and above him not liking Mondays, Live Aid and a having his heart broken by a faithless wife.
Oh! and the fine wine quaffing scoff on The Thames at the Newlyn fishermen in the run-up to the Brexit vote. |
Lol. It's the last bit I was on about mainly.
Fair play to him though if it's as good as you say. | | | |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 18:41 - Sep 20 with 1039 views | Professor |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 18:21 - Sep 20 by Lohengrin |
In fairness I don’t think I’ve ever heard him lay any class-conscious claims, Prof.
His music isn’t my thing at all but this is just superb.
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Not that I have seen it read either Loh. Certainly think his anger was more against the Republic’s rather backward ways- hence the song ‘Banana Republic’.
Have no dislike of him- did some good things around Live Aid-
Like standing up to the DERG. In contrast to Lennon who is revered but was perhaps not the nicest guy. | | | |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 18:54 - Sep 20 with 1033 views | Professor |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 17:38 - Sep 20 by onehunglow |
Prof.
You be done well in life on ability and graft.
Credit to you for that.
I ,however,in no way recognise class . I am my own man . I bow to no political vision only my own sense of what s right for me and the countryI live in.
Politicians of left and right use Class as fuel for power, nothing less. Gullible people vote for only one party they are brought up to believe is he right one..We all need to free ourselves of the chains of the Chapel and the Pit and the Steelworks.
My family were in business and suppose some would say wealthy. I saw little of it. My upbringing was in many ways life defining for me and leaving South Wales made me whole again.
By the way, both ice cream parlours were very busy when we went this week. Parkgaye is glorious.I wanted to move there but mrs against it as too is located. |
I agree. But it’s not yet a level playing field- look at politics,
Civil service and universities. Even Liverpool!
The Chinese-owned chippy is also very good in Parkgate and have heard too reports of Salty’s in Mostyn Square. Mozzies are horrendous at the moment though. Got bitten five times doing the bin last night | | | |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 22:31 - Sep 20 with 999 views | Kilkennyjack |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:08 - Sep 19 by Kerouac |
Define Fascist, and then explain how Farage meets that criteria.
Go on, give it a go, don't run away and pretend to yourself you've made a valid point.
Re: Andrew Marr
"“I knew Andrew Marr when he was a Trotskyite selling Trotskyite newspapers to bewildered railywaymen”
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Have a read yourself, are you too lazy to google it yourself ?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-fara
Its the view of people who know him. Specifics provided going back decades.
Dont be an apologist for Farage. | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 22:40 - Sep 20 with 993 views | Kerouac |
Sorry, it's in the Independent, f*ck off....oh, and it's anonymous. Why?
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:13 - Sep 20 with 979 views | Jack123 |
Nothing more putrid, than players taking the knee.. They will be booed straight away once the fans get back in, only the rejects of our society like to see it. |  |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 01:04 - Sep 21 with 953 views | DJack |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 22:40 - Sep 20 by Kerouac |
Sorry, it's in the Independent, f*ck off....oh, and it's anonymous. Why?
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What, do you only accept posts from Stormfront or Breibart...
Get real... Daddy! |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 07:13 - Sep 21 with 926 views | Kilkennyjack |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 01:04 - Sep 21 by DJack |
What, do you only accept posts from Stormfront or Breibart...
Get real... Daddy! |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 10:45 - Sep 21 with 913 views | Kerouac |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 01:04 - Sep 21 by DJack |
What, do you only accept posts from Stormfront or Breibart...
Get real... Daddy! |
Not at all.
As you know, I debate the points and don't concentrate on the source. That's what your side does, which was the point of my joke
The reason why the joke got under your skin is because there is truth contained within it.
As you will also know (and anyone reading is free to check this and point out what a massive fibber I am if they're so inclined...go on waste an afternoon of your life!) I don't EVER support my arguments with references to Stormfront or Breitbart.
So you see, your joke is based on a falsehood, which is why it is sh*t.
Keep your pecker up Wolfie, I'm sure the revolution is coming! | |
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