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Agree to have the only game postponed is not acceptable, if we've not spent a penny on the pitch then fair enough but we are talking about a club of our size having spent hundred of thousands on the pitch that has not improved 1 bit.
Thd board over the last few years have fcuked up and wasted money , which we cant afford
Weather and geographical location will be two of the main factors for the postponement. Not everywhere else, even locally, is as high or relatively open to the elements as Spotland. Of course, our underlying pitch problems will have contributed too.
Also, don't forget that Man City had a postponement last weekend too. While it's not impossible, I'd be surprised if we are the only one called off this weekend.
City wasn’t called off because of the pitch. I imagine all the new houses near the ground has pushed the water table up.
I was under the impression that "experts" and companies that specialise in pitch maintenance had been paid by RAFC to do precisely that. About time these people took some responsibility.
I confess I don't know enough about pitches or what's been done to comment, but the impression I get is that we've had various iterations of Fixit and Bodgit in to give us a quote and sort it out and they have taken the money, rolled some new turf out and run. Either that or it's been done properly and maintained inadequately.
Hence my question - is the job too expensive for us to do properly, or are we just going to keep doing this and chuck money down the drain the water should be going down every couple of years and live with postponements.
I suspect such questions at the forum will be met with spade-loads of obfuscation but hope to be proved wrong.
I also suspect our future will be forever associated with postponements, hands being thrown up in the air and the "Rochdale weather" being in the dock. It's not good enough. But it's probably something that is never going to change either.
I confess I don't know enough about pitches or what's been done to comment, but the impression I get is that we've had various iterations of Fixit and Bodgit in to give us a quote and sort it out and they have taken the money, rolled some new turf out and run. Either that or it's been done properly and maintained inadequately.
Hence my question - is the job too expensive for us to do properly, or are we just going to keep doing this and chuck money down the drain the water should be going down every couple of years and live with postponements.
I suspect such questions at the forum will be met with spade-loads of obfuscation but hope to be proved wrong.
I also suspect our future will be forever associated with postponements, hands being thrown up in the air and the "Rochdale weather" being in the dock. It's not good enough. But it's probably something that is never going to change either.
I was watching " Country File " last Sunday. They do a week long very accurate weather forecast. When they were forecasting a repeat of last weekend's weather for this Saturday you could have put your house on neither of this weekend's games being on.
Indeed. I was driving back down the M6 last Sunday teatime and the satnav gave a 110 minute delay due to emergency bridge repairs and a car on fire, so I risked it for a biscuit and detoured through the trough of Bowland. It was like a war zone. Loads of roads with streams or rivers flowing over them, stones and small rocks everywhere and then I got close to Whalley. Two feet of water across the road, going dark so I pressed on and thankfully the car didn't cut out and I made it through. Then I saw the pictures on the local news and the extent of the floods. Incredible. And they are in the amber zone again and Dennis is forecast to be worse. Have to feel sorry for them.
All that being said, Accy is on. But with the history of our morass, ours was never going to be.
I confess I don't know enough about pitches or what's been done to comment, but the impression I get is that we've had various iterations of Fixit and Bodgit in to give us a quote and sort it out and they have taken the money, rolled some new turf out and run. Either that or it's been done properly and maintained inadequately.
Hence my question - is the job too expensive for us to do properly, or are we just going to keep doing this and chuck money down the drain the water should be going down every couple of years and live with postponements.
I suspect such questions at the forum will be met with spade-loads of obfuscation but hope to be proved wrong.
I also suspect our future will be forever associated with postponements, hands being thrown up in the air and the "Rochdale weather" being in the dock. It's not good enough. But it's probably something that is never going to change either.
'Buy cheap buy twice'
Dale Academy beating Tranmere's academy........ away
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'Only happy when you've got it often makes you miss the journey'
Indeed. I was driving back down the M6 last Sunday teatime and the satnav gave a 110 minute delay due to emergency bridge repairs and a car on fire, so I risked it for a biscuit and detoured through the trough of Bowland. It was like a war zone. Loads of roads with streams or rivers flowing over them, stones and small rocks everywhere and then I got close to Whalley. Two feet of water across the road, going dark so I pressed on and thankfully the car didn't cut out and I made it through. Then I saw the pictures on the local news and the extent of the floods. Incredible. And they are in the amber zone again and Dennis is forecast to be worse. Have to feel sorry for them.
All that being said, Accy is on. But with the history of our morass, ours was never going to be.
Despite your travails through Bowland, you did the right thing
I was driving up the M6 in the opposite direction last Sunday and just after joining from the M61 the traffic heading south near the Preston exit was queuing for more miles than i'd care to think about, with the fields either side of the Ribble totally submerged
I confess I don't know enough about pitches or what's been done to comment, but the impression I get is that we've had various iterations of Fixit and Bodgit in to give us a quote and sort it out and they have taken the money, rolled some new turf out and run. Either that or it's been done properly and maintained inadequately.
Hence my question - is the job too expensive for us to do properly, or are we just going to keep doing this and chuck money down the drain the water should be going down every couple of years and live with postponements.
I suspect such questions at the forum will be met with spade-loads of obfuscation but hope to be proved wrong.
I also suspect our future will be forever associated with postponements, hands being thrown up in the air and the "Rochdale weather" being in the dock. It's not good enough. But it's probably something that is never going to change either.
One of the recent pitches was apparently laid at quite an expense to the club, with a specific set of guidelines,maintenance passed to the club to give the pitch the best possible chance of a long term suitability. By all accounts the club chose to ignore this plan due to the cost implications attached,and here we are again....
Despite your travails through Bowland, you did the right thing
I was driving up the M6 in the opposite direction last Sunday and just after joining from the M61 the traffic heading south near the Preston exit was queuing for more miles than i'd care to think about, with the fields either side of the Ribble totally submerged
I'd say 110 minutes would've been optimistic
My g/f set off about 3/4 of an hour before me and she was stuck in it for the best part of an hour, but got through. I suspect it got worse by the time I got onto the M6, so good to know I made the right call If a farmer had been dragging me out of my car, like happened to one lass whose engine cut out and her car was stranded almost completely submerged, I may have drawn a different conclusion. Was glad to get home unscathed that night.
One of the recent pitches was apparently laid at quite an expense to the club, with a specific set of guidelines,maintenance passed to the club to give the pitch the best possible chance of a long term suitability. By all accounts the club chose to ignore this plan due to the cost implications attached,and here we are again....
That was a great TV program when documentary makers treated us like adults and not kids with sho....... What was that over there......rt attention spans
'Only happy when you've got it often makes you miss the journey'
One of the recent pitches was apparently laid at quite an expense to the club, with a specific set of guidelines,maintenance passed to the club to give the pitch the best possible chance of a long term suitability. By all accounts the club chose to ignore this plan due to the cost implications attached,and here we are again....
Broadly any football club has three jobs:
1) Get games on 2) Put out the best first team it can 3) Balance the financial books
For as long as I can remember we seeming have people in charge of the operational day to day who refuse to fix what is obviously a very clear problem. That's been a multi-CEO. multi-year problem.
We didn't have this in 2014; we did though at that point have Oli Makin
You have to ask yourself, if those people cannot or will not confront the problem how on earth do they hope to cope with a £14m training facility which has multiple pitches?
It cannot be a cost issue; it is a quality of management issue.
(N.B Oli Makin is now Head Groundsman at Oud Heverlee Leuven in Belgium First Division B. They average 4,361 at home and their pitch doesn't look too shoddy.)
George Bernard Shaw had it right:
"He who can does; he who cannot, teaches."
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1) Get games on 2) Put out the best first team it can 3) Balance the financial books
For as long as I can remember we seeming have people in charge of the operational day to day who refuse to fix what is obviously a very clear problem. That's been a multi-CEO. multi-year problem.
We didn't have this in 2014; we did though at that point have Oli Makin
You have to ask yourself, if those people cannot or will not confront the problem how on earth do they hope to cope with a £14m training facility which has multiple pitches?
It cannot be a cost issue; it is a quality of management issue.
(N.B Oli Makin is now Head Groundsman at Oud Heverlee Leuven in Belgium First Division B. They average 4,361 at home and their pitch doesn't look too shoddy.)
I know Oli left to go to Qatar. Why didn't it work out for him and couldn't we have got him back here rather than him needing to go to Belgium. Unless we insist on paying peanuts.
Pitch aside I think this postponement favours us over Tranmere. All the stats say we are the better team, so playing them in shite conditions can only work against us. Sure they have played lots of football lately and must be knackered, but the wind and rain makes it more of a war of attrition, and that is not us. Plus the pitch gets time to recover rather than being churned up.
Can relax this afternoon and follow those around us, hopefully losing. They will still be 10 points behind us come next week so no damage done.
I know Oli left to go to Qatar. Why didn't it work out for him and couldn't we have got him back here rather than him needing to go to Belgium. Unless we insist on paying peanuts.
He's been Scunthorpe's groundsman since then.
Regarding today, even discounting the waterlogged pitch I'm not too fussed it hasn't been played. The game would have been an awful spectacle in these conditions and I'd rather play Tranmere on a normal day/night and not make the game a lottery. It will be interesting if any games are halted during 90mins today - also will be keen to see the EFL show on Quest tonight just to see how many games were affected by the horrendous conditions (with regards to farcical goals).
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Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
Meeting with the Directors 10th May 2019 As has been the case in the pretty much every single meeting with the Directors, questions were sent in about the pitch and work that was planned for it. We were informed that Premier Pitches Limited were due to start work on the pitch on May 20th. Premier Pitches were responsible for a number of pitches at League One level, with Peterborough and Bristol Rovers cited as examples. as usual as agreement has been reached with Hornets not to play on the pitch once the work has started until an agreed date of 30th June.
Meeting with the club 19th July 2019 We discussed the work on the pitch. There had been a delay on the work that took place. This was as a result of changing contractors from Premier Pitches to Idverde. The new company hold the UK license for the type of pitch that we have that which protects against divots. The pitch will be extremely busy in the first few weeks with 11 fixtures taking place in six weeks, and this had led to the cancellation of the Blackburn Rovers game. A further meeting is planned between the club and the Trust to provide more details on the pitch and ongoing maintenance. Fans Forum 30th July 2019
It was perhaps surprising that we reached this stage of the evening without the pitch being discussed. It was certainly something anticipated by the board who answered in length with regards to the pitch. In the past 2 or 3 years, the club have purchased two pitches from Premier Pitches. However, these have proved to be not good enough due to them being soil based pitches — the second of these pitches was not laid correctly. PP decided not to continue their arrangement with the club, and the club had now gone with Idverde. Idverde are a big company who do pitches for Sheff Utd, Peterborough and Portsmouth in this country and have worked with Real Madrid and AC Milan abroad. The pitch is a Mixto pitch (details). The drains were discussed. The issue was not the drains themselves, with 18 drains going the full length of the pitch. The issue was the water not getting through to the drains. The 2016 pitch was laid on ash not gravel which over time has took on a tarmac like feel not allowing the water to filter through. The mixto pitch involves grass laid on sand which is laid on carpet. The pitch had been narrowed as a result of the pitch problems. It had been done with BBM’s blessing but the area in front of the main stand was notoriously a problem area and almost led to the Southend game being postponed last season due to being unsafe for the assistant referee and the players warming up.
Here's the condition of our pitch during the Newcastle game on the 4th January (you may need to right click and open image in new tab - or just click on it). We've played three matches on it since then and it was knackered by the end of the first (Bolton game). Hornets have played only twice on it? and no games after the weather turned really bad. Amir Khan has a stronger chin than our pitch.
This isn't a go at Hornets or Rugby. They have an agreement to play here. The club should produce a pitch capable of hosting both.
Here's the condition of our pitch during the Newcastle game on the 4th January (you may need to right click and open image in new tab - or just click on it). We've played three matches on it since then and it was knackered by the end of the first (Bolton game). Hornets have played only twice on it? and no games after the weather turned really bad. Amir Khan has a stronger chin than our pitch.
This isn't a go at Hornets or Rugby. They have an agreement to play here. The club should produce a pitch capable of hosting both.
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Maybe we need to ask why Warrington , Wigan and Salford manage to have rugby games, and not have a quagmire pitch
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