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FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 09:11 - Aug 17 by stevec
Brian, I am pretty certain there are absolutely no fascists on this message board.
We are ALL anti fascist, I just get sick of the left acting is if they've cornered the market on anti fascism, it's posturing.
For the record, I'm not Jewish, just an innocent onlooker, but as you're someone who's view on here seems well respected, answer me this..
is anti semitism fascist?
"We are ALL anti-fascist"
That sounds lovely but it's not true. Antifacism involves actively organising to oppose fascists, in recognition that fascism is becoming increasingly organised again. It involves building networks and putting your body on the line. And it is the left that does this because liberals tie themselves in knots talking about free speech and horseshoe theories, and because historically it's the left that end up against the wall when fascists get power. Historically liberalism has always being fairly comfortable accommodating fascists.
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FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 12:05 - Aug 17 with 2881 views
What defines a fascist ??? Only Ive seen Dulwich Helmet, Clapton, Eastbourne Town and Corinthian Casuals fans with 'antifa' banners at games?? I've never seen swastika flags at games though. Where are these fascists in football ??
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FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 12:25 - Aug 17 with 2863 views
FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 12:05 - Aug 17 by smegma
What defines a fascist ??? Only Ive seen Dulwich Helmet, Clapton, Eastbourne Town and Corinthian Casuals fans with 'antifa' banners at games?? I've never seen swastika flags at games though. Where are these fascists in football ??
I've never been to any of those grounds and I'm not about to talk on their behalf, but in general it's self-evident that the far right has done a lot of its recruitment via supporter groups: National Front, EDL, FLA etc.
What is fascism? Assuming you're asking in good faith, we can identify it as a militant intolerance of an "other", usually mobilised by a demonstration of strength via a street presence. Often fascism draws upon "blood and soil" myths to do with the purity or superiority of a particular group viz-a-vis "the other", usually defined by some strain of ethno-nationalism. This is distinct from your racist aunt's inappropriate comments by fascism's militancy and the existential threat the realisation of its vision and ambition poses to the other.
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FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 12:55 - Aug 17 with 2825 views
FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 12:25 - Aug 17 by FDC
I've never been to any of those grounds and I'm not about to talk on their behalf, but in general it's self-evident that the far right has done a lot of its recruitment via supporter groups: National Front, EDL, FLA etc.
What is fascism? Assuming you're asking in good faith, we can identify it as a militant intolerance of an "other", usually mobilised by a demonstration of strength via a street presence. Often fascism draws upon "blood and soil" myths to do with the purity or superiority of a particular group viz-a-vis "the other", usually defined by some strain of ethno-nationalism. This is distinct from your racist aunt's inappropriate comments by fascism's militancy and the existential threat the realisation of its vision and ambition poses to the other.
And antifa are recruiting from football groups so what's the difference???
As the great philosopher Jimmy Pursey once sang 'national front and communists, they're all the bleeding same'.
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FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 12:57 - Aug 17 with 2818 views
I think the difference is that while fascists tend to preach and believe in their superiority over minorities, anti-fascists don't believe that they themselves are superior and they fight the belief that anyone is.
You can be an anti-fascist without discriminating against anyone, the same's not true of fascism.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 13:19 - Aug 17 by BrianMcCarthy
I think the difference is that while fascists tend to preach and believe in their superiority over minorities, anti-fascists don't believe that they themselves are superior and they fight the belief that anyone is.
You can be an anti-fascist without discriminating against anyone, the same's not true of fascism.
Have you ever been on an antifa website?? A lot of them think they are superior as they go to uni therefore are edyookaytid.
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FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 15:26 - Aug 17 with 2684 views
FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 13:54 - Aug 17 by smegma
Have you ever been on an antifa website?? A lot of them think they are superior as they go to uni therefore are edyookaytid.
Absolutely. As I said about virtue signalling, it's all about them being better than you.
Like you, I've never met any fascists at football and I've been going for 50 odd years. Clearly the boys on the left keep bumping into them all the time, hence the need to bore us to death with these regular threads, would love to know how they dealt with each of these football fascists on an individual basis.
Then again, perhaps it's a figment of their fertile imaginations.
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FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 13:26 - Aug 18 with 2573 views
Combat 18 - Lansdowne Road 1995? Chelsea Headhunters, numerous other "firms" are far from fictional. Just because the swastikas are not waved openly in football grounds does not preclude a number of odious beliefs which transcend sport. The rise of the alt-right is linked to all sorts of theories - some of them akin to fascism - islamophobia, xenophobia and a sympathy for the white supremacism underpinning Trump's election and self-justification. Whilst some of these views may be linked to embryo National Socialism, the catch-all accusation of fascism is often inaccurate and misplaced. Polarisation of opinion in the Western democracies inevitably leads the right to stir nationalistic feelings and the left to feel uneasy at what it sees as a reversion to extremes of race-hatred. Sport and politics are inevitably mixed, the option to support a team is a decision, so is your choice of partner and your political allegiance. At times the "virtue signalling" may seem tiresome and self-satisfied but turning one's back on that which is against your system of beliefs is wilful ignorance.
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FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 14:31 - Aug 18 with 2535 views
FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 13:26 - Aug 18 by Tearsofrage
Combat 18 - Lansdowne Road 1995? Chelsea Headhunters, numerous other "firms" are far from fictional. Just because the swastikas are not waved openly in football grounds does not preclude a number of odious beliefs which transcend sport. The rise of the alt-right is linked to all sorts of theories - some of them akin to fascism - islamophobia, xenophobia and a sympathy for the white supremacism underpinning Trump's election and self-justification. Whilst some of these views may be linked to embryo National Socialism, the catch-all accusation of fascism is often inaccurate and misplaced. Polarisation of opinion in the Western democracies inevitably leads the right to stir nationalistic feelings and the left to feel uneasy at what it sees as a reversion to extremes of race-hatred. Sport and politics are inevitably mixed, the option to support a team is a decision, so is your choice of partner and your political allegiance. At times the "virtue signalling" may seem tiresome and self-satisfied but turning one's back on that which is against your system of beliefs is wilful ignorance.
Lansdowne Road was twenty three and a half years ago. I was there that night. There has never been any proof that Combat 18 were the protagonists that evening. Rumours yes, but no concrete evidence. I was in the lower tier, all the crap was going on in the upper tier. Thankfully the right wing elements in the England support have f@cked off. Hopefully they'll never return.
So where are all these faschists at football ????
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FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 14:43 - Aug 18 with 2528 views
FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 14:31 - Aug 18 by smegma
Lansdowne Road was twenty three and a half years ago. I was there that night. There has never been any proof that Combat 18 were the protagonists that evening. Rumours yes, but no concrete evidence. I was in the lower tier, all the crap was going on in the upper tier. Thankfully the right wing elements in the England support have f@cked off. Hopefully they'll never return.
So where are all these faschists at football ????
If you think Fascists aren't involved with football then you are naïve at best, and an imbecile at worst.
So I'm a imbecile for asking a question?? I went to 139 matches last season covering all levels of football from step 10 to Premier League to England internationals. Not ONCE did I see anything resembling right wing views expressed at any game. That link you posted is just the other end of the spectrum from the divs that are mentioned. There is no info as to the blokes involvement at football. The state hes in I doubt he can afford to go to football.
So where are these faschists hiding at football ???
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FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 13:25 - Aug 19 with 2410 views
Strange thread, this. Surely if we are all so opposed to fascism then we would support people who oppose it. Let's wish them well and see how they go. If they turn out to be no good, then let's chat then.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 13:25 - Aug 19 by BrianMcCarthy
Strange thread, this. Surely if we are all so opposed to fascism then we would support people who oppose it. Let's wish them well and see how they go. If they turn out to be no good, then let's chat then.
The alleged act of self righteousness weighs heavier on the mind than the actual act of smashing up bookshops and murdering MPs.
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FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 16:26 - Aug 19 with 2357 views
FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 13:25 - Aug 19 by BrianMcCarthy
Strange thread, this. Surely if we are all so opposed to fascism then we would support people who oppose it. Let's wish them well and see how they go. If they turn out to be no good, then let's chat then.
Who's the QPR representative ? and who's putting the club's name with things like this ?
Looking at the Twitter account the person seems to be making money selling t-shirts etc
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FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 18:15 - Aug 19 with 2290 views
FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 13:25 - Aug 19 by BrianMcCarthy
Strange thread, this. Surely if we are all so opposed to fascism then we would support people who oppose it. Let's wish them well and see how they go. If they turn out to be no good, then let's chat then.
ok, i'll bite.
i'll put forward some credentials first, for instance , years ago i went out with some of the militant crew from the white horse to confront the chelsea bnp mob who had said they were targeting that game. Fwiw, there were a couple of chelsea lads out with us that night.
i also sided with some class war anarchists when communists tried to run them off their position selling literature.
i like to know who is trying to get me to back them, what their agenda is, who is backing them - there's too many people trying to get a leg up on the back of well meaning individuals.
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FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 08:16 - Aug 20 with 2230 views
FLALAF (Political but Football Related) on 18:15 - Aug 19 by distortR
ok, i'll bite.
i'll put forward some credentials first, for instance , years ago i went out with some of the militant crew from the white horse to confront the chelsea bnp mob who had said they were targeting that game. Fwiw, there were a couple of chelsea lads out with us that night.
i also sided with some class war anarchists when communists tried to run them off their position selling literature.
i like to know who is trying to get me to back them, what their agenda is, who is backing them - there's too many people trying to get a leg up on the back of well meaning individuals.
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I was thinking of you and your history but I wasn't about to mention it.
That's kind of what I meant when I suggested that I would wish these people well unless we heard something untoward at any stage. So far, we haven't.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Interesting article. I wasn't aware of the DFLA (although I had seen press reports about the FLA) and, if this is to believed, the term 'fascist' in the FLALAF actually just refers to the DFLA.
To be fair, calling the FLALAF the FLALADFLA is a bit unwieldy.
(Breaking my usual rule of avoiding comments on political threads - I will resume my unending barrage of nob gags and unwise giffery)
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