| No subject 18:48 - Jan 28 with 10594 views | Yossarian |
Welsh Labour to give the vote to 16 year olds.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-42848685
As a Labour voter, I think this smacks of opportunism. I understand this generation are more apathetic than ever but are young people are more likely to vote for parties of the Left?
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| No subject on 20:00 - Jan 28 with 3063 views | perchrockjack |
Absolutely wro |  |
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| No subject on 20:01 - Jan 28 with 3060 views | londonlisa2001 |
| No subject on 19:55 - Jan 28 by exiledclaseboy |
I can see the argument for that but I disagree for the reasons I’ve already stated. [Post edited 28 Jan 2018 19:56]
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I was simply having fun not making a serious suggestion ... | | | |
| No subject on 20:01 - Jan 28 with 3063 views | exiledclaseboy |
Yes. Don’t beat yourself up about it though  |  |
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| No subject on 20:02 - Jan 28 with 3060 views | union_jack |
| No subject on 19:48 - Jan 28 by exiledclaseboy |
They did lower the voting age for the referendum. 16/17 were allowed to vote. Scotland still says no to independence. |
Bugger! I thought they'd tried to do it but didn't get it through.
My faith in the age group has just got better!
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| No subject on 20:02 - Jan 28 with 3060 views | Lohengrin |
| No subject on 19:52 - Jan 28 by londonlisa2001 |
Age isn't any sort of indicator to such. |
Well it often is dependent on the task, love. |  |
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| No subject on 20:04 - Jan 28 with 3054 views | Flashberryjack |
| No subject on 19:20 - Jan 28 by exiledclaseboy |
I think you’re underestimating some kids of that age at least. And let’s be honest, how many “of age” voters actually form anything like an informed opinion themselves? [Post edited 28 Jan 2018 19:24]
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Can you imagine Justin Bieber forming a government and Simon Cowell the opposition. |  |
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| No subject on 20:04 - Jan 28 with 3053 views | perchrockjack |
NG
Cock
Older people voted to leave | |
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| No subject on 20:04 - Jan 28 with 3052 views | londonlisa2001 |
| No subject on 20:02 - Jan 28 by Lohengrin |
Well it often is dependent on the task, love. |
Maybe so, but we are talking about being an informed voter. | | | |
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| No subject on 20:07 - Jan 28 with 3050 views | Lohengrin |
| No subject on 20:04 - Jan 28 by londonlisa2001 |
Maybe so, but we are talking about being an informed voter. |
How much would a child understand about the working world when they haven't experienced it? That's my point, I suppose. | |
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| No subject on 20:09 - Jan 28 with 3046 views | exiledclaseboy |
| No subject on 20:07 - Jan 28 by Lohengrin |
How much would a child understand about the working world when they haven't experienced it? That's my point, I suppose. |
Probably as much as the average career politician these days. | |
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| No subject on 20:17 - Jan 28 with 3013 views | swanjackal |
| No subject on 20:04 - Jan 28 by Flashberryjack |
Can you imagine Justin Bieber forming a government and Simon Cowell the opposition. |
Still choose them over May or Corbyn :  |  |
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Hypocritically hypocritical ! |
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| No subject on 20:17 - Jan 28 with 3012 views | Kilkennyjack |
| No subject on 19:35 - Jan 28 by Kilkennyjack |
I am all for it.
These young bright people are the future, and have a stake in political decisions made now that have long term implications.
Much better to take the vote off anyone over 70 as well.
These old people are the past, and have little stake in the long term implications of political decisions made now.
I mean look at the Brexit nonsence...., |
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| No subject on 20:19 - Jan 28 with 3002 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
18 is young enough
However my hope for a better country is lifted by the young voting more in the last election |  |
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| No subject on 20:26 - Jan 28 with 2973 views | DJack |
| No subject on 20:19 - Jan 28 by oh_tommy_tommy |
18 is young enough
However my hope for a better country is lifted by the young voting more in the last election |
Most 16/17 year olds won't vote but I would hope that it starts them thinking about the politics and gets them interested/invested in their future. |  |
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| No subject on 21:04 - Jan 28 with 2950 views | Flashberryjack |
| No subject on 20:17 - Jan 28 by swanjackal |
Still choose them over May or Corbyn : |
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| No subject on 21:20 - Jan 28 with 2933 views | PozuelosSideys |
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| No subject on 23:56 - Jan 28 with 2898 views | Private_Partz |
| No subject on 19:43 - Jan 28 by jack247 |
16 and 17 year olds are far easier to manipulate with Corbyns buy now pay later bullshit.
They’d give double votes to everyone on benefits if they could. |
It's all been costed so don't worry about it.
We do not have to be the poor boys of Europe for ever and investment in Public Services and increases in taxes are allowed.
Austerity has failed. It is time for a change.
I still hear the odd desperate Tory telling us that it is all the fault of the nasty Labour Party almost 10 years after the world financial crisis but the excuse has worn very thin by now. |  |
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| No subject on 00:12 - Jan 29 with 2891 views | PozuelosSideys |
| No subject on 23:56 - Jan 28 by Private_Partz |
It's all been costed so don't worry about it.
We do not have to be the poor boys of Europe for ever and investment in Public Services and increases in taxes are allowed.
Austerity has failed. It is time for a change.
I still hear the odd desperate Tory telling us that it is all the fault of the nasty Labour Party almost 10 years after the world financial crisis but the excuse has worn very thin by now. |
1.) What has been costed?
2.) Who are the poor boys of Europe? Wales? The UK? Suggest you go look at the rest of Europe. Particularly the South, Central and East.
3.) Investment in Public Services are primarily paid for by tax dollars from the private sector.
4.) Austerity has failed? The deficit is coming down and most key metrics suggest the trends are moving the right direction. If "time for change" is borrowing and spending, then you are not making any sense.
5.)The Labour party were at the wheel in 2008. They also signed off the bailing out of the banks. They also over borrowed, over spent and didnt for one second think about sticking cash in the savings account. You may also want to take a look at the UK debt and deficit when Labour took charge, and what they were when Labour lost power. Scary stuff | |
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| No subject on 09:53 - Jan 29 with 2790 views | perchrockjack |
Borrowing will go into the stratosphere should Johnny the Rebel be chancellor . Future generations will feel the pain not us .
We could go have are turn to British Rail ( inter city ) remember that, The Gas and Electric companies , Post Office,all run by politicians . Politicians
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| No subject on 10:04 - Jan 29 with 2775 views | MrSwansea |
| No subject on 20:02 - Jan 28 by Lohengrin |
Well it often is dependent on the task, love. |
SLAP HIM! | |
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| No subject on 10:05 - Jan 29 with 2775 views | Batterseajack |
Being against this because you think the majority of 16 and 17 year olds won't vote for your party is a pretty weak argument. The onus is on the parties to appeal to these voters. | | | |
| No subject on 10:17 - Jan 29 with 2769 views | Lohengrin |
| No subject on 10:05 - Jan 29 by Batterseajack |
Being against this because you think the majority of 16 and 17 year olds won't vote for your party is a pretty weak argument. The onus is on the parties to appeal to these voters. |
Let me put it to you this way: If you'd met me when I was sixteen you'd have met a kid who could have quoted great swathes of Hobbes or Aristotle at you. Bloody Hell! you may have thought? If ever a youngster warranted the vote it's this boy. Then after talking for a while it would begin to dawn on you that as clever as I may have appeared I'd have had no grasp on the value of money or what it took to earn it; I could have told you what George Bernard Shaw had to say about the nature of responsibility but I would never have felt the weight of it myself.
You see what I'm saying? | |
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| No subject on 10:55 - Jan 29 with 2726 views | Batterseajack |
| No subject on 10:17 - Jan 29 by Lohengrin |
Let me put it to you this way: If you'd met me when I was sixteen you'd have met a kid who could have quoted great swathes of Hobbes or Aristotle at you. Bloody Hell! you may have thought? If ever a youngster warranted the vote it's this boy. Then after talking for a while it would begin to dawn on you that as clever as I may have appeared I'd have had no grasp on the value of money or what it took to earn it; I could have told you what George Bernard Shaw had to say about the nature of responsibility but I would never have felt the weight of it myself.
You see what I'm saying? |
I hear you Lo as there has to be a limit to how young a person can be, but on the flip side, the younger generation have been let down politically for god knows how long because there's no votes in it for them. How else to tackle this than to give them a vote? It would also engage them in politics at a good age which could tackle the voting and political apathy that we have in this country.
I would also say they have more understanding of the world around them and a vested interest than many aging people with deteriorating minds. | | | |
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