| Why doesn't Labour veto this? 17:49 - Apr 18 with 1417 views | Glyn1 |
If Labour thinks that they are going to lose a lot of MPs then why don't they simply not agree to a General Election being held?
My default position is that it's because Corbyn is an idiot but there must be something else that I'm missing.
When Nicola Sturgeon called for another Scottish Referendum Theresa May immediately slapped her down by refusing it, because May thought that she might lose it, which was the correct thing to do, so why doesn't Corbyn do the same. (Turkeys don't have to vote for Christmas.)
And how can the Conservatives pass a law saying that we have 5-year fixed-term Parliaments, and then ignore it at the first opportunity.
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| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 18:00 - Apr 18 with 1402 views | blueytheblue |
Tories didn't pass a law. Parliament did. Nor are Tories ignoring it - as per that law you cite, an election can be called with the approval of 2/3 of the commons. So not really ignoring a law as following it.
Labour are voting for it because May has tucked them up good and proper. Many cried "She wasn't elected!" whilst conveniently ignoring Brown. So now they have the election they called for. Equally, Labour et al want to be obstinate during Brexit negotiations, well they've been called out. Lib Dems can campaign as the party against Brexit because they have nothing to lose. Labour on the other hand have to mute their opposition for fear of being wiped out.
May slapped Sturgeon down for the simple fact Sturgeon was using Brexit as an excuse to play the only available card she has - FREEEEEEEEEEDOM - in the hope of people overlooking SNP's record at Holyrood. Scotland aren't part of EU. UK is. So FREEEEDOM is nothing more than a calculated attempt to derail Brexit by throwing any and everything in - Sturgeon wouldn't want to be out of UK and outside EU...
Labour MPs who are in safe seats will vote for it. It's their best chance of getting rid of Corbyn before the oncoming purge by the Corbynistas. After all, having been wiped out having gone left, they'll revert to type and think the public didn't view them as being left enough. |  |
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| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 18:01 - Apr 18 with 1402 views | siralan |
Because Labour have been screaming since last summer that Theresa is a unelected PM.
Now TM is giving JC a chance to kick her out and JC stupidly thinks he's a chance. | | | |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 18:28 - Apr 18 with 1380 views | Glyn1 |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 18:00 - Apr 18 by blueytheblue |
Tories didn't pass a law. Parliament did. Nor are Tories ignoring it - as per that law you cite, an election can be called with the approval of 2/3 of the commons. So not really ignoring a law as following it.
Labour are voting for it because May has tucked them up good and proper. Many cried "She wasn't elected!" whilst conveniently ignoring Brown. So now they have the election they called for. Equally, Labour et al want to be obstinate during Brexit negotiations, well they've been called out. Lib Dems can campaign as the party against Brexit because they have nothing to lose. Labour on the other hand have to mute their opposition for fear of being wiped out.
May slapped Sturgeon down for the simple fact Sturgeon was using Brexit as an excuse to play the only available card she has - FREEEEEEEEEEDOM - in the hope of people overlooking SNP's record at Holyrood. Scotland aren't part of EU. UK is. So FREEEEDOM is nothing more than a calculated attempt to derail Brexit by throwing any and everything in - Sturgeon wouldn't want to be out of UK and outside EU...
Labour MPs who are in safe seats will vote for it. It's their best chance of getting rid of Corbyn before the oncoming purge by the Corbynistas. After all, having been wiped out having gone left, they'll revert to type and think the public didn't view them as being left enough. |
Of course the Tories are ignoring it - I didn't suggest that they wouldn't do things by the rulebook but they campaigned on having 5-year terms and now we're having an election only 2 years after they last one, solely because they believe that they can win it. I've no particular objection to that, but let's agree that they're doing it for their own party reasons rather than for them to hypocritically pretend that they're doing it for the good of the country.
"Being obstinate during Brexit negotiations"? Labour voted for Article 50. If over the next 2 years they will be arguing for a Soft Brexit rather than a Hard Brexit, then a lot of Tories would have agreed with that. [Post edited 18 Apr 2017 18:29]
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| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 18:32 - Apr 18 with 1366 views | blueytheblue |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 18:28 - Apr 18 by Glyn1 |
Of course the Tories are ignoring it - I didn't suggest that they wouldn't do things by the rulebook but they campaigned on having 5-year terms and now we're having an election only 2 years after they last one, solely because they believe that they can win it. I've no particular objection to that, but let's agree that they're doing it for their own party reasons rather than for them to hypocritically pretend that they're doing it for the good of the country.
"Being obstinate during Brexit negotiations"? Labour voted for Article 50. If over the next 2 years they will be arguing for a Soft Brexit rather than a Hard Brexit, then a lot of Tories would have agreed with that. [Post edited 18 Apr 2017 18:29]
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It would suit Tories for Corbyn to have up to 2020 to mess Labour up even further. The Corbynista coup would be a done deal by then.
Labour have argued they would vote against a deal. F*ck Labour up over this, means can focus on getting the best possible deal for Britain rather than having to worry about whining Labour. | |
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| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 18:49 - Apr 18 with 1333 views | Edmundo |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 18:32 - Apr 18 by blueytheblue |
It would suit Tories for Corbyn to have up to 2020 to mess Labour up even further. The Corbynista coup would be a done deal by then.
Labour have argued they would vote against a deal. F*ck Labour up over this, means can focus on getting the best possible deal for Britain rather than having to worry about whining Labour. |
Along with the Libs, who may not have an MP after this election.
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| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 18:55 - Apr 18 with 1324 views | blueytheblue |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 18:49 - Apr 18 by Edmundo |
Along with the Libs, who may not have an MP after this election.
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No, Lib Dems will take seats from Labour in staunchly pro Remain regions, I've zero doubt about that. Not enough to really matter, but Tories and Lib Dems will squeeze the Labour vote down big time. | |
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| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 19:19 - Apr 18 with 1292 views | LeonWasGod |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 18:28 - Apr 18 by Glyn1 |
Of course the Tories are ignoring it - I didn't suggest that they wouldn't do things by the rulebook but they campaigned on having 5-year terms and now we're having an election only 2 years after they last one, solely because they believe that they can win it. I've no particular objection to that, but let's agree that they're doing it for their own party reasons rather than for them to hypocritically pretend that they're doing it for the good of the country.
"Being obstinate during Brexit negotiations"? Labour voted for Article 50. If over the next 2 years they will be arguing for a Soft Brexit rather than a Hard Brexit, then a lot of Tories would have agreed with that. [Post edited 18 Apr 2017 18:29]
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Yes, of course they're doing it for their own benefit. This is opportunistic. Not only because of the mess Labour's in but also UKIP who have been a thorn in the Tories side for a while. They want to claw back ground lost to them and finish them if they can I suspect.
As for the blocking Brexit angle, May has been spreading lies about this so it's no surprise Bluey trots out the party line. See what May wrote about the Stoke by-election candidates, for example. She accused them of blocking the A50 bill when in fact they voted for it.
I wouldn't trust a word that comes from her mouth. |  | | |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 19:24 - Apr 18 with 1287 views | blueytheblue |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 19:19 - Apr 18 by LeonWasGod |
Yes, of course they're doing it for their own benefit. This is opportunistic. Not only because of the mess Labour's in but also UKIP who have been a thorn in the Tories side for a while. They want to claw back ground lost to them and finish them if they can I suspect.
As for the blocking Brexit angle, May has been spreading lies about this so it's no surprise Bluey trots out the party line. See what May wrote about the Stoke by-election candidates, for example. She accused them of blocking the A50 bill when in fact they voted for it.
I wouldn't trust a word that comes from her mouth. |
So Labour haven't said they'd vote against a deal then? | |
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| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 19:30 - Apr 18 with 1282 views | NeathJack |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 19:24 - Apr 18 by blueytheblue |
So Labour haven't said they'd vote against a deal then? |
Labour have said they will vote against it if they deem it not in the interests of the British people i.e. A Tory hard brexit taking us out of the single market and making us a low paid tax haven.
Which is a perfectly reasonable stance. |  | | |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 19:37 - Apr 18 with 1254 views | Kerouac |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 19:24 - Apr 18 by blueytheblue |
So Labour haven't said they'd vote against a deal then? |
Of course they have.
Have seen that slippery c*nt Keir Starmer trotting that one out a few times.
They have tied themselves up in knots over Brexit, fair dues.
...and people in the Labour party were rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of the Tories ripping themselves apart over Brexit!
Some really fecking dumb people in positions of responsibility in the Labour Party.
Anyone can say what they want about the Tories but one thing they 'aint is stupid.
In my experience they are clever, devious, scheming bastards who usually get the strategy right.
This has been coming a long, long time. On June the 8th Labour will ride out to their Little Big Horn.
Obviously I hope that this Labour cull will see the Liberal Democrats rise and in the medium/long term (once the Brexit question is settled) hopefully we could become the opposition or at least the regular Kingmaker. [Post edited 18 Apr 2017 19:38]
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| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 19:49 - Apr 18 with 1231 views | siralan |
Now UKIPs job is done the Conservatives are going to get a massive amount of their voters who obviously wish for as smooth a Brexit as possible.
You only had to listen to the radio and watch the TV news today to hear the amount of people who plan to jump on the Conservative ship. | | | |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 20:38 - Apr 18 with 1188 views | waynekerr55 |
Question is will the waste of seminal fluid (who probably swallowed a load of Jeremy's) retain her seat. Ed Balls had his comeuppance in the last GE so there is hope for this one 😂 |  |
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| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 20:46 - Apr 18 with 1172 views | Joe_bradshaw |
If an opposition party doesn't want a general election what does that say about them?
What's the point of being in opposition if you have no ambition to become the government? |  |
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| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 20:49 - Apr 18 with 1155 views | perchrockjack |
Kerouac
Those are the attributes we need in leaders
It's a devious world | |
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| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 20:54 - Apr 18 with 1139 views | Flashberryjack |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 20:38 - Apr 18 by waynekerr55 |
Question is will the waste of seminal fluid (who probably swallowed a load of Jeremy's) retain her seat. Ed Balls had his comeuppance in the last GE so there is hope for this one 😂 |
Ed Balls' appearances on strictly come prancing was brilliantly awful. |  |
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| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 20:55 - Apr 18 with 1137 views | waynekerr55 |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 20:54 - Apr 18 by Flashberryjack |
Ed Balls' appearances on strictly come prancing was brilliantly awful. |
I've got to say I did warm to him after that!😂 | |
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| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 21:25 - Apr 18 with 1114 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 19:37 - Apr 18 by Kerouac |
Of course they have.
Have seen that slippery c*nt Keir Starmer trotting that one out a few times.
They have tied themselves up in knots over Brexit, fair dues.
...and people in the Labour party were rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of the Tories ripping themselves apart over Brexit!
Some really fecking dumb people in positions of responsibility in the Labour Party.
Anyone can say what they want about the Tories but one thing they 'aint is stupid.
In my experience they are clever, devious, scheming bastards who usually get the strategy right.
This has been coming a long, long time. On June the 8th Labour will ride out to their Little Big Horn.
Obviously I hope that this Labour cull will see the Liberal Democrats rise and in the medium/long term (once the Brexit question is settled) hopefully we could become the opposition or at least the regular Kingmaker. [Post edited 18 Apr 2017 19:38]
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Keir Starmer would have a chance of beating Theresa the Appeaser.
Especially with Dai Millie and Chuka.
Maybe work with the other progressive parties...?
Jezza is simply a knobhead. |  |
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| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 21:29 - Apr 18 with 1104 views | Flashberryjack |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 20:55 - Apr 18 by waynekerr55 |
I've got to say I did warm to him after that!😂 |
Really ? | |
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| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 21:29 - Apr 18 with 1104 views | Kerouac |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 21:25 - Apr 18 by Kilkennyjack |
Keir Starmer would have a chance of beating Theresa the Appeaser.
Especially with Dai Millie and Chuka.
Maybe work with the other progressive parties...?
Jezza is simply a knobhead. |
I have to agree that the likes of Starmer, Chuka and David Milliband would stand considerably more chance than Jezza, yes. | |
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| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 21:37 - Apr 18 with 1089 views | blueytheblue |
| Why doesn't Labour veto this? on 21:25 - Apr 18 by Kilkennyjack |
Keir Starmer would have a chance of beating Theresa the Appeaser.
Especially with Dai Millie and Chuka.
Maybe work with the other progressive parties...?
Jezza is simply a knobhead. |
You mean the Chuka that someone from his parliamentary office edited his own wikipedia entry to include the phrase "Chuka has been referred to as Britain's Obama"?
Interesting.
Starmer quit a consultancy role... with the law firm engaged by Gina Miller. Think we know what his Brexit views are... not necessarily a good choice.
David Milliband is the dark horse, He'd have to get a seat back in the Commons. Can't see Corbynistas wanting him on the selection lists especially when Corbyn has to fall on his sword. He'd be by far the best choice of those available. He'd have to fight the unions mind - every ballot round he was in the lead until the last when the union votes backed Ed. | |
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