| Gianni Paladini 19:45 - Jul 14 with 13062 views | thehat |
So we are going to get circa £9 million from the Sterling transfer from a clause Gianni ensured was part of the original deal - I've noticed Gianni can get a bit of bad press amongst the Rangers fans but no one can dispute the facts:
FACT - Gianni invested into the club and joined the board when we were in League 1 with a loan from a shady Panama corporation secured on the ground which was crippling us and we had buckets outside the ground collecting money from fans to try and keep us going - The future looked very bleak indeed.
FACT - Gianni left the club in the Premier league debt free with billionaire owners.
Like I say the facts are indisputable - Seems like he did a pretty good job from where I'm standing.
Rock on Gianni and thank you!!!! |  | | |  |
| Gianni Paladini on 10:22 - Jul 15 with 2420 views | PinnerPaul |
Clive wrote a very fair piece when he (GP) left pointing out the good and the bad.
Thought at the time it was a very even handed and objective piece.
If Clive or someone else has the time/desire well worth re posting that link as if I remember correctly it pretty much covered all bases as far as GP was concerned. | | | |
| Gianni Paladini on 10:26 - Jul 15 with 2411 views | W5R |
| Gianni Paladini on 10:22 - Jul 15 by PinnerPaul |
Clive wrote a very fair piece when he (GP) left pointing out the good and the bad.
Thought at the time it was a very even handed and objective piece.
If Clive or someone else has the time/desire well worth re posting that link as if I remember correctly it pretty much covered all bases as far as GP was concerned. |
It's here.
Haven't read it as it's from an outsiders point of view but maybe interesting..
http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/news/14805/the-sky-is-bl |  | | |
| Gianni Paladini on 10:26 - Jul 15 with 2407 views | superhoopdownunder |
Paladini was a cancer on QPR
He was a liar, corrupt and we are still recovering from him.
Tony may be an idiot and blown a fortune (hopefully ended with Ruben in charge) but Gianni nearly ruined our club and split our fan base into many groups. I hope the fans are now starting to reunite and get behind the club again. | | | |
| Gianni Paladini on 10:28 - Jul 15 with 2399 views | paulparker |
| Gianni Paladini on 02:59 - Jul 15 by DylanP |
This message board used to be the best message board for QPR fans. But the fact is it has become a miserable, drab place over the last couple of years. The crap that gets written on here is unbelievable at times.
The fact is that the OP is 100% correct. So, instead of addressing the facts, the responses are all personal attacks and other kinds of abuse.
When GP took over we were in the third division; we were relying on the generosity of fans, ex-palayers (Lee Cook, Peter Crouch), and people like the Winstons. We were really close to oblivion. When he left, we were Premier league and debt free. End of story. True, he was a nightmare and the club was a mess, but somehow he was there when we muddled through it all. Deal with it, and give him credit for that much.
By the way, we were never anywhere near a points deduction. That was a story in the fckin Sun. Only a 6-year old believes anything written in the Sun.
By the way, another completely unpopular truth, that will no doubt have people calling me names, when Tango and Cash came in, we were in the second division and when they left we were in the Premiership. Were they terrible people? Yes. Am I delighted that the are gone? Yes. But they took us back to the Premiership and they deserve credit for that.
Also, although I like having Tony as Chairman, but the truth there is that when he bought into the club we were in the Premiership and debt free and now we are in the second division with loads of debt.
It is often said that football is a results game -- it doesn't matter how the goal is scored, they all count the same. Likewise with management. It doesn't matter how success came, management gets credit. |
100 % correct,!!!!!! il have a toke on what your smoking
paladini was not our chairman in Div 2 for one thing , the man was a shyster
he ousted Bill Power out, stuck in his cronies like Dunga,& Saddled us with more debt,
shafted one of the best Mangers we had in Holloway , remember the Diaz Debacle ??
the fake account of a boardroom gun heist, proven in court to be lies
the training ground being locked after a cheque bounced
sacked all the staff who worked behind the scenes, hows shelia marsden these days ??
tried to discredit Harold Winton even when the poor sod had cancer
tried suing a kick up the R's
lumbered us with superb signings such as Rossi, Olisheh, Czerkas, Ukah, The pelican, I wonder why that was eh ?
the Italian pre season ,
dealt with another club legend Macca, in a disgusting way
the Faurlin debacle where we couldn't even properly celebrate our promotion
the undermining of Souza so that he got the sack
im sure ive forgotten other things , he has done ,
il give him credit for getting Tango & cash to invest and Sterling (if he did have something to do with it , that is if he did )
the rest was a nightmare and we were close to losing our football club under this weasel |  |
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That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Gianni Paladini on 10:50 - Jul 15 with 2354 views | Northernr |
| Gianni Paladini on 10:22 - Jul 15 by PinnerPaul |
Clive wrote a very fair piece when he (GP) left pointing out the good and the bad.
Thought at the time it was a very even handed and objective piece.
If Clive or someone else has the time/desire well worth re posting that link as if I remember correctly it pretty much covered all bases as far as GP was concerned. |
http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/news/14805/the-sky-is-bl |  | | |
| Gianni Paladini on 10:54 - Jul 15 with 2333 views | W5R |
It's actually not a bad write up!
Quite fair. Few little details missing and things that could have been added for better context rather than leading the story in certain ways but pretty good. 7.5/10. Maybe an 8 | | | |
| Gianni Paladini on 10:55 - Jul 15 with 2326 views | Bluce_Ree |
Ugh.
We need the season to start so we can drown out bullshit topics like this one. |  |
| Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. |
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| Gianni Paladini on 11:06 - Jul 15 with 2295 views | PhilmyRs |
The problem when you deal with facts is they don’t tell the whole picture. Fact, Phil Neville has more England caps then David Bardsley, yet most would agree he isn’t fit to wipe the Bard’s arse.
I have no doubt we could have got back to the Premier league had we not had Gianni Paladini’s help, the only difference we would have done so the right way, without all the sh*t. | | | |
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| Gianni Paladini on 11:35 - Jul 15 with 2256 views | Bluce_Ree |
Thread needs some Lawnmower Deth cheery GIF action.
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| Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. |
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| Gianni Paladini on 11:41 - Jul 15 with 2240 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Gianni Paladini on 10:54 - Jul 15 by W5R |
It's actually not a bad write up!
Quite fair. Few little details missing and things that could have been added for better context rather than leading the story in certain ways but pretty good. 7.5/10. Maybe an 8 |
Wow. Even when you're trying to be nice it comes across as odious, patronising crap. |  |
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| Gianni Paladini on 11:42 - Jul 15 with 2236 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Gianni Paladini on 02:59 - Jul 15 by DylanP |
This message board used to be the best message board for QPR fans. But the fact is it has become a miserable, drab place over the last couple of years. The crap that gets written on here is unbelievable at times.
The fact is that the OP is 100% correct. So, instead of addressing the facts, the responses are all personal attacks and other kinds of abuse.
When GP took over we were in the third division; we were relying on the generosity of fans, ex-palayers (Lee Cook, Peter Crouch), and people like the Winstons. We were really close to oblivion. When he left, we were Premier league and debt free. End of story. True, he was a nightmare and the club was a mess, but somehow he was there when we muddled through it all. Deal with it, and give him credit for that much.
By the way, we were never anywhere near a points deduction. That was a story in the fckin Sun. Only a 6-year old believes anything written in the Sun.
By the way, another completely unpopular truth, that will no doubt have people calling me names, when Tango and Cash came in, we were in the second division and when they left we were in the Premiership. Were they terrible people? Yes. Am I delighted that the are gone? Yes. But they took us back to the Premiership and they deserve credit for that.
Also, although I like having Tony as Chairman, but the truth there is that when he bought into the club we were in the Premiership and debt free and now we are in the second division with loads of debt.
It is often said that football is a results game -- it doesn't matter how the goal is scored, they all count the same. Likewise with management. It doesn't matter how success came, management gets credit. |
Dylan - if we were never even close to getting a points deduction, can you please explain why GP was running through the corridors, screaming, almost in tears, when the verdict came through? If there was 'no chance' why so much relief? He was sh!tting mate - because it was obviously a possibility. | |
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| Gianni Paladini on 12:03 - Jul 15 with 2183 views | BAWHoops |
I'm actually shocked at the revisionism that is present in this thread.
The man tore the club apart from the inside out.
Everything you hate about QPR stems from his time here..... everything. |  |
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| Gianni Paladini on 12:43 - Jul 15 with 2118 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Gianni Paladini on 12:03 - Jul 15 by BAWHoops |
I'm actually shocked at the revisionism that is present in this thread.
The man tore the club apart from the inside out.
Everything you hate about QPR stems from his time here..... everything. |
I wouldn't go that far - it really stems from Chris Wright and by extension Richard Thompson. GP wouldn't have been anywhere near the club without the mis-management by Wright and Wright wouldn't have been at the club if it weren't for the fans turning on Thompson for 'asset-stripping' - which in hindsight now looks like easily the most sensible way to run the club (although admittedly a modicum of proper investment in the early 90s when we were good, GF was at the top of his game etc could have seen us properly cash in on the PL cash cow). The club is still, weirdly, paying for the mistakes made nearly 20 years ago. there was a dynamite chance to put that all to rest when we were promoted first time around - and the club blew it. Even when a second chance came a year later, which the club barely deserved, we blew it even worse. | |
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| Gianni Paladini on 13:09 - Jul 15 with 2067 views | TheBlob |
| Gianni Paladini on 12:43 - Jul 15 by Antti_Heinola |
I wouldn't go that far - it really stems from Chris Wright and by extension Richard Thompson. GP wouldn't have been anywhere near the club without the mis-management by Wright and Wright wouldn't have been at the club if it weren't for the fans turning on Thompson for 'asset-stripping' - which in hindsight now looks like easily the most sensible way to run the club (although admittedly a modicum of proper investment in the early 90s when we were good, GF was at the top of his game etc could have seen us properly cash in on the PL cash cow). The club is still, weirdly, paying for the mistakes made nearly 20 years ago. there was a dynamite chance to put that all to rest when we were promoted first time around - and the club blew it. Even when a second chance came a year later, which the club barely deserved, we blew it even worse. |
Asset stripping was "sensible"?Robbing the club to pay for other sidelines like the Chevely Park Stud?
God help us if someone else decide to adopt those tactics. |  |
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| Gianni Paladini on 13:28 - Jul 15 with 2012 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Gianni Paladini on 13:09 - Jul 15 by TheBlob |
Asset stripping was "sensible"?Robbing the club to pay for other sidelines like the Chevely Park Stud?
God help us if someone else decide to adopt those tactics. |
didn't explain myself very well there, blob, sorry - i meant buying low selling big to balance the books really. don't know much about Thompson's horse interests other than what Joe Le Taxi used to bellow out from loft upper back in the day. | |
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| Gianni Paladini on 13:36 - Jul 15 with 1981 views | TheBlob |
| Gianni Paladini on 13:28 - Jul 15 by Antti_Heinola |
didn't explain myself very well there, blob, sorry - i meant buying low selling big to balance the books really. don't know much about Thompson's horse interests other than what Joe Le Taxi used to bellow out from loft upper back in the day. |
I know balancing the books is paramount but the "family" really did rob us blind.Ended up with an empty store and then they sold the store.
Wright was just sheer ignorant overambitious incompetence,and the only time I've let my heart rule my head over shares.
Which one is it more like today?Watch this space......
The only commonality being neither outfit had a clue about football. | |
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| Gianni Paladini on 13:37 - Jul 15 with 1979 views | Juzzie |
| Gianni Paladini on 21:26 - Jul 14 by SpiritofGregory |
Sterling did not want to stay at QPR, his contract was soon to expire, we offered him a deal and he refused. He was very young and hadn't even played a first team game for us yet a few big clubs were interested in him, he wasn't interested in QPR. |
I don't think anyone's disputing that.
The point is that people are fawning over Paladini for making a very easy decision and a pretty standard deal/decision too in football terms. No club was going to pay £millions for an unproven 14 year old. Plenty of players that age have bags of potential but few actually blossom to full potential. So, a 20% sell-on clause makes perfect sense for both parties.
Taarabt's transfer deal to QPR also had a 20% sell-on clause, it's a normal amount for a young player, and had we sold him for, say, £5m then I doubt Spurs fans would be gushing all over Levy for the £1m they just made.
Had Liverpool sold Sterling for £10m (probably a realistic assumption at the time we sold him) then no one would be gushing all over Paladini about £2.5million (inc. initial fee).
The fact it's so much makes the deal seem 'amazing' when in reality, the percentage sell on clause between Sterling & Taarabt (or the rest of football) is no different, just the amount makes it look so good.
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| Gianni Paladini on 14:04 - Jul 15 with 1935 views | ganjR |
| Gianni Paladini on 13:37 - Jul 15 by Juzzie |
I don't think anyone's disputing that.
The point is that people are fawning over Paladini for making a very easy decision and a pretty standard deal/decision too in football terms. No club was going to pay £millions for an unproven 14 year old. Plenty of players that age have bags of potential but few actually blossom to full potential. So, a 20% sell-on clause makes perfect sense for both parties.
Taarabt's transfer deal to QPR also had a 20% sell-on clause, it's a normal amount for a young player, and had we sold him for, say, £5m then I doubt Spurs fans would be gushing all over Levy for the £1m they just made.
Had Liverpool sold Sterling for £10m (probably a realistic assumption at the time we sold him) then no one would be gushing all over Paladini about £2.5million (inc. initial fee).
The fact it's so much makes the deal seem 'amazing' when in reality, the percentage sell on clause between Sterling & Taarabt (or the rest of football) is no different, just the amount makes it look so good.
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| Gianni Paladini on 14:36 - Jul 15 with 1878 views | johnhoop |
| Gianni Paladini on 14:04 - Jul 15 by ganjR |
Wasn't Taarabts 40% |
I think that's dead right. Pity we didn't fix the same % for Sterling isn't it. Who was in charge of that then? | | | |
| Gianni Paladini on 15:09 - Jul 15 with 1843 views | BasingstokeR |
Bournemouth put a 25% clause on Adam Lallana when he went to Saints at 12yrs old.
Saints put one in Bale's deal to Spurs and sold it out early before the big move.
Sell on clause for young players is common place; are we sure it was only Paladini who was 100% responsible for the terms of the deal before we get all congratulatory for doing what a lot of other chairmen / club officials do as part of their job without all the nonsense that came along with Gianni.
Does Elite Player Performance (EPPP) thing kybosh all of this kind of % thing going forward for young players? |  | | |
| Gianni Paladini on 15:10 - Jul 15 with 1843 views | essextaxiboy |
Clives last paragraph .
The man it seemed would never leave, who protected his own position at QPR above all others and often the wellbeing of the club, has gone. Gianni Paladini was undeniably bad for our club over a hellishly long period of time. He put in £600,000 when we desperately needed it(and subsequently received more than that back in the form of salary and the inexplicable unsecured loans) but thereafter almost everything he touched turned to dust. He ousted Bill Power and Mark Devlin and then drove the club to the brink of bankruptcy, splitting the support base irreparably as he went. His favourites liked him so much it almost seemed as if they supported him more than the club, and he was presented with a commemorative picture at a Player of the Year dinner as a thanks for the work he did. His opponents, often targeted in malicious ways for voicing concerns, hated him so much many stopped going to QPR altogether. He was, at best, accident prone and, more accurately, completely incompetent. The deal with Oldham, the deal for Faurlin, the incident with Padula — crass incompetence, sackable offences, all placing the club in real serious danger of points deductions and big fines. And still he clung on while long serving and highly valued employees were sacked around him.
QPR CEO Philip Beard said: “On behalf of everyone at the club, I would like to thank Gianni for his contribution to Queens Park Rangers over the years.”
Yes, I’m sure we all agree, he’s made quite a contribution to Queens Park Rangers over the years.
I stopped going for half a season , then decided that it was better to attack the w&nker from within , he took the heart of our club and IMO ...we are just starting to get it back [Post edited 15 Jul 2015 15:13]
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| Gianni Paladini on 17:25 - Jul 15 with 1755 views | Juzzie |
| Gianni Paladini on 14:04 - Jul 15 by ganjR |
Wasn't Taarabts 40% |
Actually, yes, I think it was.
In that case, Paladini fked up!!!
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| Gianni Paladini on 17:38 - Jul 15 with 1728 views | Hunterhoop |
| Gianni Paladini on 10:12 - Jul 15 by W5R |
Don't quote facts Dave. People don't like facts. |
Look, Scott. The point I was trying to make, albeit it may have gone over your head, was that Paladini was not running the club not leading it for that promotion. You can't credit him with it. It's completely disingenuous. It's the same with promotion to the Prem. Amit was running the club, not Paladini. He can't, therefore, take personal or sole credit for that success either, especially when he was solely responsible for it almost being taken away.
We also weren't debt free when he left.
Ergo, really, what were his great achievements.
Oh, and I do believe the accounts since his departure show that £60k personal loan was never repaid.
Yes, let's build a statue of him. Jeez. |  | | |
| Gianni Paladini on 17:45 - Jul 15 with 1722 views | thehat |
The posts seem to keep running on this one I guess the best way to describe it is you can't please all of the people all of the time - Some of us think he did a good job some of us don't just the same as Tony Fernandes now and all those before him Thompson, Wright, Gregory etc etc... | | | |
| Gianni Paladini on 18:32 - Jul 15 with 1670 views | karl |
| Gianni Paladini on 17:45 - Jul 15 by thehat |
The posts seem to keep running on this one I guess the best way to describe it is you can't please all of the people all of the time - Some of us think he did a good job some of us don't just the same as Tony Fernandes now and all those before him Thompson, Wright, Gregory etc etc... |
But I would say it has been done in an antagonistic manner, why is that?
The real test of anyones character on a message board is whether you are completely anonymous or not, can anyone vouch for your reasoned point of view?
I got insulted by someone the other night but I've no idea who he is and he's posted only one or two random things in the past, likely when he's pissed, so it doesn't bother me as his view, to me, is irrelevant if I don't know who he is or his general thoughts.
As you're happy to be anonymous then I'm sure many will feel that way about you, of course no reason why you can't remain anonymous but it does reduce your argument imo |  | | |
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