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“A black man alleged beaten up by the police in Cardiff (leading to his death) made no impression on football in Wales because it was not relevant it seems.”
Why is his skin colour relevant though? It’s like people genuinely don’t think anything bad can ever happen to someone non white without racist intent. My mind boggles. Even the George Floyd incident had no apparent racial motivation, yet it didn’t stop people making the assumption. That in itself is racist and stereotypical of a a race, to assume any negative actions must be due to their inner racism. To make any such assumptions about another race would be seen as grossly offensive.
Racism against white people is probably more prevalent than against any other race currently. White people are openly told they cannot have a valid opinion on a lot of important matters, are told they are inherently bad people, openly stereotyped and mocked and any discrimination against white people is seen as completely fine.
It’s the current acceptable face of racism.
I watched Eminem get inducted into the hall of fame last week. Dr Dre who originally signed him and made his speech and was very open that so many people had told him not to sign him because he was white. Nobody blinked an eye.
There would be investigations for as long as you can see if that was made about any other race.
No issue with people making videos of these vapid creatures.
The maker isn’t doing anything to appear virtuous or portray himself as something he is not. His face isn’t even in the video and he simply talks his way through this sheer madness.
The more free thinkers and people snap out of this mutually played game the better. Everyone knows when they see the “furious today” statuses on Facebook that they are simply looking for attention but still play the “are you ok hun? Inbox me” game as they know that they may well also need that attention stoked in the future. They need their dopamine hit and are addicted to the likes they get.
Social media has turned a whole generation of people into soulless, head nodding clones of each other where unless everyone thinks and acts exactly the same then they are targeted for cancelling.
Debate and difference is seen as aggressive and something to be feared and would rather silence their dissenters rather than discuss with them, largely because they have no reasoning behind their views and actions other than to garner as much positive reaction as possible.
I don’t think I have ever seen such regimented thought in my entire life than the last 5 years, and it’s getting worse.
What on earth does Harry Kane know about the international politics and religious importance of a country he’s probably never been to prior to this week? I doubt it was something Chingford Foundation school specialises in.
Allowing this influence to take hold from people unqualified and lacking in the sufficient understanding or knowledge to pass such complexities is a very dangerous thing.
It’s how BLM took hold let’s not forget, who then pushed back the civil rights movement single handedly by decades. Idiots not understanding the message and organisation they were promoting until it was too late then tried to distance themselves from it without anyone noticing and pretending it was for something else all along despite the mounds of evidence suggesting otherwise.
As I said, if these people feel that strongly then use their significant reach and resources to put the research and work in on their own time. It would be worth far more than an empty gesture they don’t understand at a football match… of which they feel so strongly about that the threat of a yellow card is enough to stop them doing it (?!).
To make such a stance and then immediately back down due to something so trivial as a yellow card - has done more damage to the perception of the importance of the issue than a successful donning of the armband would have done to strengthen it.
This is why political messages can’t be in football. These idiots have no idea of the influence or damage they cause by their clumsy and vapid views of things. I’d be feeling incredibly hurt if I was a Qatari gay person and Harry Kane thinks a yellow card is more important than defending my plight, I would think he has reduced my issue to something incredibly trivial to the world.
If you want to make a personal political stand at the World Cup then accept the trivial consequences that come with it. To back down just makes you look ridiculous.
Everything is brand driven now.
Wear this armband Harry, it will enhance your public image and tap into the hot topic - “okay”.
Second thoughts Harry, you may get a suspension and it damage our professional aims to potentially get you a big money move off the back of this tournament - “okay”.
The sooner this grandstanding is done away with, the better. It’s transparent and exhausting.
Mind numbingly obvious messages on armbands also comes under that in my opinion. Play football as you are paid to do - and if you feel strongly enough about any social issues then get your hands dirty and actually get involved with it on your own time would be my advice.
But almost certainly the voice inside the brain would say “but then nobody would see that I care”.
Which the accounts go on to prove time and time again.
Coming from a Premier League club doesn’t mean you are on more salary.
Darling was a regular starter for his club making the step up in grade whose stock was higher than Obafemis who had a questionable injury record and had to step down in order to find regular football.
Ntcham was signed with turning a profit in mind, he hasn’t worked out as planned. The zero fee justified the extra salary, hence why he is by far now our highest paid player.
But people will rightly point out the hypocrisy there.
You are complaining about funding one regime while directly giving to another similar one, that’s not being “taken to the nth degree”. It’s wondering why convenience is an excuse in your life to take advantage of these kind of regimes but you don’t accept it when others also do so for personal gain.
Outwardly supporting the Ukrainian refugee scheme while having the finances and space to house one… but refusing to - is shocking. Don’t you think?
People want all the social trappings of speaking out regarding these issues but none of the burden of what is involved to make those words count.
I can’t stand it personally. One of the ugliest things in our society, everyone is so false and perception driven.
But they aren’t real values, people need to understand that.
It’s virtue, good for business and sponsorship. But will be dropped at any second as soon as it’s convenient.
Which is why people question this sort of virtue in everyone when they come out “campaigning” for the next topic of the month.
To expect FIFA to be consistent when those complaining about it aren’t consistent themselves is a bit rich. Especially when those complaining about FIFA’s inconsistencies… then complain about people pointing out their own inconsistencies.
These players have been kneeling for the last 2 seasons for inclusivity and equality we are led to believe - the second they get a chance to play at a World Cup then all those beliefs go out the window for personal gain.
People may now be realising how false and poisonous this whole thing is.
If you are looking at it from a Western point of view.
They may think our rule book is ludicrous and are grossly offended by much in our society.
Imposing our beliefs on other countries because we feel our ways are superior, doesn’t tend to end very well.
I am happy enough to say I would not be happy if I lived in that kind of society, but also understand the fact that all places are different and have different beliefs driven by different levels of religious interpretation and traditions.
This is why capitalism is such an important concept, a fair amount of people can always make themselves what they want to be and move to whatever country and live under whatever rule book they choose, within reason.
It’s just very tiring that the thing that people seem to be always outraged about is the one that draws most attention to them.
When you take on the position of virtue then it will certainly be asked why you don’t hold the same standards elsewhere.
I’m sure people would say the same if I claimed to be outraged by meat farming and claiming I’m so furious by it all I’ve gone vegan… but still eat bacon because it tastes nice.
People will quite rightly ask why I am not consistent in my values. But due to my actions matching my words it would never be an issue, my beliefs are consistent in my life and no amount of questioning will shut that down, because it’s done for genuine reasons and not attention.
But it’s not cancel culture no. You are more than welcome to be dead against Qatar and boycott it because it’s flavour of the month while still be more that happy to not boycott other places such as China for their products.
But people may well ask you why. Which is certainly a fair question to ask of such a position.
It shouldn’t shut down debate though or “cancel” you, you should have the answers to any questions asked of your position. It only shuts down debate if you have no answers and as a result also realise that the questions being asked are difficult to answer as the answers will sound hypocritical, but that’s because they are.
Not being able to answer simple questions due to a position that makes no real sense is kind of a self cancelling. The debate stops simply because the position cannot be defended by the person being questioned.
See also: demanding socialism and slamming billionaires while posting on an iPhone and sipping a Starbucks. It all falls under the same nonsense that people will not listen to or take seriously, for very obvious reasons.
But seriously speaking now, what would it achieve?
I think at that point it becomes more of a petty game than actually looking to make a significant change to the plight. I think the message and the point gets completely lost in these things.
Let’s say you are a homosexual in a county that makes it illegal due to deep rooted religious values that will never change. A manager of a football team from another country where it is legal sticks on a multicoloured armband for 90 mins - what’s changed other than Southgate feeling better about himself.
I’m sure the person is fully aware that people in less religious countries where it is legal, find it (largely) perfectly fine, so it’s not new information. What does it actually achieve?
I just don’t see these gestures as anything other than a personal back patting exercise while doing absolutely nothing to deserve it.
Yep, decent team. As I said on another thread, lost 2 of last 18 including games against Portugal, Senegal and Uruguay (beating the latter and drawing against the other two).
We will struggle against Iran I think. We couldn’t dream of racking up such a score line against a team like them. If we do manage to win, it will be very tight margins.
England are a class above and of course are just off the back of their season, they are still in the swing of things.
Can anyone tell me why a sickening, unfounded and intentionally false accusation of racism is still on this site without punishment, even after reporting?
I heard a very apt quote earlier. Someone asked, how do you deal with views you cannot argue against, the answer was “you call it racist until you silence it”.
You have asked them what you think the knee means?
Come on John, not buying that for a second
Take a look at Twitter and it’s split. You either get people confused why players are still taking a knee when BLM has proven to be a scam, others seem to be celebrating and hash-tagging #BLM… very few seem to be of the opinion that the gesture has changed.
I think you may have unintentionally created a little echo chamber in your friends group maybe, it doesn’t take much of an effort to see that what you say is not the reflection of the majority.
What the people doing it think is of little consequence, it’s what the people they are intending to influence think that matters - and that will undoubtedly be a link to the incredibly divisive BLM movement.
I am a free thinker and don’t parrot what people tell me, I think you will find I was highlighting this fraudulent as abhorrent organisation before it was even a political talking point for anyone you mention.
I suggest maybe you do your own research instead of getting taken in by the BLM is wonderful myth.
Prior to scrubbing it from their Website as soon as funding was under threat, they wanted to disrupt the Western Nuclear family. Wanted children taken out of the family home and raised by the community. They wanted to defund the police (which led to record murder numbers in the likes of Portland). Wanted no prisons and put pressure on politicians to bail criminals in record numbers, this has ruined the lives of countless people and made certain parts of the city extremely dangerous.
They also invented racial discrimination numbers and massaged police figures to stoke up anger in order to extract donations which they then spent on houses for themselves in largely white neighbourhoods and millions are still unaccounted for. They have been banned from raising any more money in certain states as a result.
They have openly said they are practising and trained Marxists who despise capitalism and was socialism.
Then we can touch upon their horrendous anti semitism.
By one or two, sure. But not everyone kneeling has given their reasons and not all will be doing it for the same reasons - and let’s not forget the undeniably clear links for the first 6 months of its use. It was proudly standing next to the political movement, that can’t now just be ignored on command.
As I said, even if zero do it for political reasons (highly unlikely) - those who are it’s intended reach will almost certainly in their bulk think it is. Only a small amount will ever bother reading into a couple of players reasoning. I would say the vast majority of passive viewers will say it’s for “BLM”.
So if those seeing the gesture will automatically link it with a support for the organisation which every single person on the planet should be against, then the pushback against such a gesture is not only obvious but guaranteed.
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