| A bit of perspective please! 07:34 - Jan 12 with 3590 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Yet again, we lose a game, and some have gone completely overboard in their reaction.
We have lost to a pretty crap PL team, but we are a pretty crap mid table Championship team which is not very good at retaining the ball.
I had no issue with that starting lineup. We all knew Walsh would start and that Morgan, Dunne and Smyth all desperately needed a break.
Should Ashby have been hooked at HT? Probably, but he wasn't.
What is the difference in the teams? For me, keeping the ball. We've proven games in the Championship can be won with 35% possession, but against PL, there is no chance. We have the ball, they can't score, it's not rocket science, but we desperately need a central midfielder who can control a game.
Reaction in the next game, please Rangers! |  | | |  |
| A bit of perspective please! on 07:44 - Jan 12 with 2430 views | ozexile |
Mid table at present sack off a third of our season. To finish mid table. If Leicester who are fighting for their lives in the Premier league can field their strongest team makes no sense that we can't. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 08:03 - Jan 12 with 2381 views | GaryBannister86 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 07:44 - Jan 12 by ozexile |
Mid table at present sack off a third of our season. To finish mid table. If Leicester who are fighting for their lives in the Premier league can field their strongest team makes no sense that we can't. |
Totally agree. The OP says those players needed a rest but if it was a league game at Leicester they all would have played.
I'm Marti's biggest fan but he lied to the fans in the interview on Friday, saying he wanted to change the mentality of QPR in the cup. No, you sacked it off like all the others for no reason whatsoever.
I am sure he was as surprised as everyone else that Leicester played such a strong team, which I guess in a way vindicates Marti as I am 95% sure (from what I could see) we would have lost the game anyway.
But for me, if I had known at 9am when I was unable to open my car's frozen diesel cap, that I would be (sort of) watching a young goalie, a centre back with zero experience who will be playing against us next season, the pathetic Madsen ahead of the vibrant Morgan, no Smyth and a second or third choice striker, I wouldn't have bothered to make the trip. Can't they let the fans know beforehand so we can decide?
I also didn't recognise Marti's in-game management. If that was a league game he would have made changes at half time, and certainly earlier in the second half.
I've made the point many times before on here that not trying our hardest in the two cup competitions is depressing and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If I ever won Euromillions three times in a row and bought the club, I would do two things. 1) Give Marti a 20 year contract and 2) make it imperative to him and any future QPR managers that they give the cups a full go. I would be impressed if they rested players in league games before the cup games so we can have a crack.
Our FA cup record is a national embarrassment. And we don't even try and fix it.
I am sure our 2-0 defeat at Plymouth will be well worth it.
Good on Ruud for playing a strong side. Good luck to them. [Post edited 12 Jan 8:03]
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| A bit of perspective please! on 08:16 - Jan 12 with 2270 views | ozexile |
| A bit of perspective please! on 08:03 - Jan 12 by GaryBannister86 |
Totally agree. The OP says those players needed a rest but if it was a league game at Leicester they all would have played.
I'm Marti's biggest fan but he lied to the fans in the interview on Friday, saying he wanted to change the mentality of QPR in the cup. No, you sacked it off like all the others for no reason whatsoever.
I am sure he was as surprised as everyone else that Leicester played such a strong team, which I guess in a way vindicates Marti as I am 95% sure (from what I could see) we would have lost the game anyway.
But for me, if I had known at 9am when I was unable to open my car's frozen diesel cap, that I would be (sort of) watching a young goalie, a centre back with zero experience who will be playing against us next season, the pathetic Madsen ahead of the vibrant Morgan, no Smyth and a second or third choice striker, I wouldn't have bothered to make the trip. Can't they let the fans know beforehand so we can decide?
I also didn't recognise Marti's in-game management. If that was a league game he would have made changes at half time, and certainly earlier in the second half.
I've made the point many times before on here that not trying our hardest in the two cup competitions is depressing and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If I ever won Euromillions three times in a row and bought the club, I would do two things. 1) Give Marti a 20 year contract and 2) make it imperative to him and any future QPR managers that they give the cups a full go. I would be impressed if they rested players in league games before the cup games so we can have a crack.
Our FA cup record is a national embarrassment. And we don't even try and fix it.
I am sure our 2-0 defeat at Plymouth will be well worth it.
Good on Ruud for playing a strong side. Good luck to them. [Post edited 12 Jan 8:03]
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Agree. We only enter 3 competitions and every year we bin 2 of them. It's disrespectful to fans. Yes I understand fatigue etc etc. But they're professional athletes. There's no game till next week.
Yes we may get injuries, but we also may not, win the game and draw Arsenal at-home in the next round.
Maybe next year. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 08:42 - Jan 12 with 1816 views | stevec |
I think the Langley/Carlisle season remains fresh in a lot of our memories.
Can’t say that one cup game resulted in three years in League One, but it didn’t help and it certainly sealed the lid on our most terrible season.
It’s not just that these players slog through match after match and inevitably get tired, it also means they spend less time on the training ground and in the gym. It’s a recipe for all the injuries we’ve already seen this season.
I don’t blame Marti, I do blame the structure of a 24 team division and those who preside over it. |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 08:49 - Jan 12 with 1767 views | GaryBannister86 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 08:42 - Jan 12 by stevec |
I think the Langley/Carlisle season remains fresh in a lot of our memories.
Can’t say that one cup game resulted in three years in League One, but it didn’t help and it certainly sealed the lid on our most terrible season.
It’s not just that these players slog through match after match and inevitably get tired, it also means they spend less time on the training ground and in the gym. It’s a recipe for all the injuries we’ve already seen this season.
I don’t blame Marti, I do blame the structure of a 24 team division and those who preside over it. |
Don't get this. Gallen's ACL at Portsmouth probably cost us a huge transfer fee and that season, so we should play a weakened side there after that in case it happens again?
Why do so many seem to believe that our players are going to explode into a thousand pieces if we play them in a cup tie?
Managers are desperate to blame the FA Cup for anything. It's a huge part of the job that they have to tackle, in my view, not just some bonus irritation.
I think what I am most scared about is that if we ever (ho ho) got anywhere in a cup competition and had a big quarter final, we would (like Brentford this season) "rest" some key players for some stupid meaningless league game the week after.
And then I would realise that my 50 years of supporting QPR have been devalued. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 08:52 - Jan 12 with 1740 views | ozexile |
| A bit of perspective please! on 08:42 - Jan 12 by stevec |
I think the Langley/Carlisle season remains fresh in a lot of our memories.
Can’t say that one cup game resulted in three years in League One, but it didn’t help and it certainly sealed the lid on our most terrible season.
It’s not just that these players slog through match after match and inevitably get tired, it also means they spend less time on the training ground and in the gym. It’s a recipe for all the injuries we’ve already seen this season.
I don’t blame Marti, I do blame the structure of a 24 team division and those who preside over it. |
82 remains fresh in my memory. Still gives me goosebumps. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:06 - Jan 12 with 1526 views | stevec |
| A bit of perspective please! on 08:52 - Jan 12 by ozexile |
82 remains fresh in my memory. Still gives me goosebumps. |
Fair comment. And we were only allowed one sub in those days!
The game is a whole lot faster these days and I’m struggling to remember the last time a second division club made it to the FAC final. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:11 - Jan 12 with 1505 views | loftus77 |
Strange how I can remember precise details of every cup final from 1977 to about 1993 (82 most of all obvs). Since about 1994 they all merge into one. Couldn't really recall one 21st century cup final, save Liverpool-West Ham 2006? Says it all probably. | | | |
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| A bit of perspective please! on 09:17 - Jan 12 with 1446 views | hubble |
What pisses me off is people telling other people how they should feel. I am personally fking fuming at that abject performance that was entirely due to Marti's team selection. If other people don't give a shit, fair enough, but don't tell those of us who are angry that we shouldn't be.
For me, I want my team to win every game, and I believe we should treat the world's oldest and greatest cup competition with the respect it deserves. The relatively recent trend of playing weakened sides in the FA Cup is just another nail in football's coffin as far as I'm concerned. It's the equivalent of Wilde's famous phrase: knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. |  |
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| A bit of perspective please! on 09:32 - Jan 12 with 1364 views | gazza1 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:17 - Jan 12 by hubble |
What pisses me off is people telling other people how they should feel. I am personally fking fuming at that abject performance that was entirely due to Marti's team selection. If other people don't give a shit, fair enough, but don't tell those of us who are angry that we shouldn't be.
For me, I want my team to win every game, and I believe we should treat the world's oldest and greatest cup competition with the respect it deserves. The relatively recent trend of playing weakened sides in the FA Cup is just another nail in football's coffin as far as I'm concerned. It's the equivalent of Wilde's famous phrase: knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. |
You should look at the 'big picture' for the Club, Team & individual players and that is what MC did yesterday. Not sure whatever players we played yesterday would have been good enough to win the match.
Question to you.....would you have selected Ashby?? | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:39 - Jan 12 with 1317 views | hubble |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:32 - Jan 12 by gazza1 |
You should look at the 'big picture' for the Club, Team & individual players and that is what MC did yesterday. Not sure whatever players we played yesterday would have been good enough to win the match.
Question to you.....would you have selected Ashby?? |
Why 'should' I? Is there some kind of monopoly on how I'm allowed to feel? You're doing precisely what I just said pisses me off, so you must be on a wind-up.
I 'could' look at the so-called bigger picture and suppress my emotions, but I don't think you have the right to tell me I 'should' do whatever you feel is the correct way. [Post edited 12 Jan 9:41]
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| A bit of perspective please! on 09:49 - Jan 12 with 1245 views | ozexile |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:32 - Jan 12 by gazza1 |
You should look at the 'big picture' for the Club, Team & individual players and that is what MC did yesterday. Not sure whatever players we played yesterday would have been good enough to win the match.
Question to you.....would you have selected Ashby?? |
The big picture? What is the big picture? We've been treading water for years. How about actually try to compete as a football club in competitions. Never know we may actually achieve something. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:53 - Jan 12 with 1222 views | mart_Goblin |
Key word in the OP is overboard . |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:57 - Jan 12 with 1177 views | Rangersw12 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:49 - Jan 12 by ozexile |
The big picture? What is the big picture? We've been treading water for years. How about actually try to compete as a football club in competitions. Never know we may actually achieve something. |
The big picture of either finishing 16th or 17th this season
I totally agree with you and I'm still absolutely livid with that performance yesterday. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:00 - Jan 12 with 1150 views | Rangersw12 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:32 - Jan 12 by gazza1 |
You should look at the 'big picture' for the Club, Team & individual players and that is what MC did yesterday. Not sure whatever players we played yesterday would have been good enough to win the match.
Question to you.....would you have selected Ashby?? |
I would have started Dunne myself but if I didn't I would have definitely taken Ashby off at HT after the shocking first half performance [Post edited 12 Jan 10:00]
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| A bit of perspective please! on 10:02 - Jan 12 with 1135 views | JAPRANGERS |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:39 - Jan 12 by hubble |
Why 'should' I? Is there some kind of monopoly on how I'm allowed to feel? You're doing precisely what I just said pisses me off, so you must be on a wind-up.
I 'could' look at the so-called bigger picture and suppress my emotions, but I don't think you have the right to tell me I 'should' do whatever you feel is the correct way. [Post edited 12 Jan 9:41]
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On LFW you are required to be a Happy Clapper or else. |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:13 - Jan 12 with 1041 views | essextaxiboy |
| A bit of perspective please! on 08:16 - Jan 12 by ozexile |
Agree. We only enter 3 competitions and every year we bin 2 of them. It's disrespectful to fans. Yes I understand fatigue etc etc. But they're professional athletes. There's no game till next week.
Yes we may get injuries, but we also may not, win the game and draw Arsenal at-home in the next round.
Maybe next year. |
5th game in 17 days ... |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:15 - Jan 12 with 1020 views | ozexile |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:13 - Jan 12 by essextaxiboy |
5th game in 17 days ... |
Professional football club. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:15 - Jan 12 with 1017 views | GaryHaddock |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:17 - Jan 12 by hubble |
What pisses me off is people telling other people how they should feel. I am personally fking fuming at that abject performance that was entirely due to Marti's team selection. If other people don't give a shit, fair enough, but don't tell those of us who are angry that we shouldn't be.
For me, I want my team to win every game, and I believe we should treat the world's oldest and greatest cup competition with the respect it deserves. The relatively recent trend of playing weakened sides in the FA Cup is just another nail in football's coffin as far as I'm concerned. It's the equivalent of Wilde's famous phrase: knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. |
Aren’t you in doing exactly that? I feel that a handful of regular posters love it when we lose and you are telling me not to. |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:18 - Jan 12 with 991 views | WestonsuperR |
| A bit of perspective please! on 08:03 - Jan 12 by GaryBannister86 |
Totally agree. The OP says those players needed a rest but if it was a league game at Leicester they all would have played.
I'm Marti's biggest fan but he lied to the fans in the interview on Friday, saying he wanted to change the mentality of QPR in the cup. No, you sacked it off like all the others for no reason whatsoever.
I am sure he was as surprised as everyone else that Leicester played such a strong team, which I guess in a way vindicates Marti as I am 95% sure (from what I could see) we would have lost the game anyway.
But for me, if I had known at 9am when I was unable to open my car's frozen diesel cap, that I would be (sort of) watching a young goalie, a centre back with zero experience who will be playing against us next season, the pathetic Madsen ahead of the vibrant Morgan, no Smyth and a second or third choice striker, I wouldn't have bothered to make the trip. Can't they let the fans know beforehand so we can decide?
I also didn't recognise Marti's in-game management. If that was a league game he would have made changes at half time, and certainly earlier in the second half.
I've made the point many times before on here that not trying our hardest in the two cup competitions is depressing and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If I ever won Euromillions three times in a row and bought the club, I would do two things. 1) Give Marti a 20 year contract and 2) make it imperative to him and any future QPR managers that they give the cups a full go. I would be impressed if they rested players in league games before the cup games so we can have a crack.
Our FA cup record is a national embarrassment. And we don't even try and fix it.
I am sure our 2-0 defeat at Plymouth will be well worth it.
Good on Ruud for playing a strong side. Good luck to them. [Post edited 12 Jan 8:03]
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Perfectly put and my points exactly. Huge Marti fan also and today won’t change that but feel lied to with regards how seriously we were taking the cup. A win today continues the momentum, brings revenue in the next round and we would been 3 wins away from Wembley but we threw it away to prepare for bottom of the league Plymouth in a weeks time. |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:29 - Jan 12 with 908 views | essextaxiboy |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:15 - Jan 12 by ozexile |
Professional football club. |
Exactly , with all that it entails,
Sports Science
Injury management
Fixture planning
Recruitment planning
Squad morale
and having a guy in charge who we trust to manage all of those things | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:32 - Jan 12 with 855 views | stevec |
Am I right in thinking there was a long thread on here bemoaning our injury situation? | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:36 - Jan 12 with 816 views | Rangersw12 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:32 - Jan 12 by stevec |
Am I right in thinking there was a long thread on here bemoaning our injury situation? |
It's ok the players will all be rested for the defeat at Plymouth on Saturday so embarrassing ourselves yesterday will all be worth it [Post edited 12 Jan 10:37]
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| A bit of perspective please! on 10:40 - Jan 12 with 746 views | essextaxiboy |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:17 - Jan 12 by hubble |
What pisses me off is people telling other people how they should feel. I am personally fking fuming at that abject performance that was entirely due to Marti's team selection. If other people don't give a shit, fair enough, but don't tell those of us who are angry that we shouldn't be.
For me, I want my team to win every game, and I believe we should treat the world's oldest and greatest cup competition with the respect it deserves. The relatively recent trend of playing weakened sides in the FA Cup is just another nail in football's coffin as far as I'm concerned. It's the equivalent of Wilde's famous phrase: knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. |
I am not typing the list again but the FA dont respect it | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:41 - Jan 12 with 738 views | ozexile |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:29 - Jan 12 by essextaxiboy |
Exactly , with all that it entails,
Sports Science
Injury management
Fixture planning
Recruitment planning
Squad morale
and having a guy in charge who we trust to manage all of those things |
It's amazing how other championship teams manage it. Do you think any of the Coventry players who played in that amazing semi final last year against Man utd look back now wish they'd been rested? Memories that will last a lifetime in their career. Do the fans look back and say "You know what, the cup run really wasn't worth it, we should have rested players and got knocked out earlier".
I understand sport science, I understand everything you've listed.
But....... We've sacked cups off for season after season now and we've not progressed as a club. We've stood still. Regressed even.
One worthwhile player sale in years. What if we did progress and Kolli had a stormer in the next round against Liverpool? How much is he worth then?
What if we get to the quarter final and we get a whole new generation of fans onboard like what happened to me as a kid in 82?
I come on here year after year at this time and say the same thing again and again.
How about we at least try. | | | |
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