| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 16:21 - Aug 15 with 2979 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I think picking Nathan Tjoe-a-on would really help the algorithm. I mean team. Not algorithm. |  |
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| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 08:20 - Aug 16 with 2723 views | RichardO |
Just a thought, given we have Ronald, Vipotnik, Abdulai or Eom in our front line and there is pace and a quite a bit of height and the wings are blocked off and our throw ins won from long goal kicks to touch invariably go backwards, do we consider actually attempt to play the goal kicks down the middle of the park get the wide men in tight one possibly going long the other dropping in just behind the centre forward.
Sounds a dull idea Brentford did it against Man City doing the double over them in recent times even city have used Haaland asone of their a focal points of attacks.
Teams are ready to let us do our thing at the moment and we have become so predictable going forward. We really should be regularly using different options in how we attack teams, at the moment we are trying to rely on individuals to produce a bit of magic instead of staying alert and react to situations and openings as they arise forcing teams to make mistake. At the moment they know what's coming even to.the point of playing a waiting game for when we make our mistakes of over passing in tight areas in our third or over committing further up the pitch.
The starting formation have changed over years to defend against forward starting line ups that have been change to counter defensive line ups but we are predictable and by focusing on the width we are not using the centre of the park well in as an attacking option or defending it well either. There has to be a balance probing for weaknesses all over the park, seeing how the opposition are playing not giving wingers time and space to run at players, making sure we cannot be play though but that has to be done quickly when needed, to be alert close down space, don't allow the opposition to get into dangerous areas, cause them problems with our movement and skillful players we have,, if our attacking is done at a snails pace it becomes very hard to pick that pace up while defending to stay focused and alert.
It is really up to each player to remain focused but when that slips then it is up to the team to help each other to keep that focused, as yet this season and the last one and Martin's tenure with all the changes, that team focus and bond on the pitch seems lacking.
We don't see what happening behind the scene but hope Williams get the team on the front foot on Saturday. |  | | |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 08:22 - Aug 16 with 2717 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 08:20 - Aug 16 by RichardO |
Just a thought, given we have Ronald, Vipotnik, Abdulai or Eom in our front line and there is pace and a quite a bit of height and the wings are blocked off and our throw ins won from long goal kicks to touch invariably go backwards, do we consider actually attempt to play the goal kicks down the middle of the park get the wide men in tight one possibly going long the other dropping in just behind the centre forward.
Sounds a dull idea Brentford did it against Man City doing the double over them in recent times even city have used Haaland asone of their a focal points of attacks.
Teams are ready to let us do our thing at the moment and we have become so predictable going forward. We really should be regularly using different options in how we attack teams, at the moment we are trying to rely on individuals to produce a bit of magic instead of staying alert and react to situations and openings as they arise forcing teams to make mistake. At the moment they know what's coming even to.the point of playing a waiting game for when we make our mistakes of over passing in tight areas in our third or over committing further up the pitch.
The starting formation have changed over years to defend against forward starting line ups that have been change to counter defensive line ups but we are predictable and by focusing on the width we are not using the centre of the park well in as an attacking option or defending it well either. There has to be a balance probing for weaknesses all over the park, seeing how the opposition are playing not giving wingers time and space to run at players, making sure we cannot be play though but that has to be done quickly when needed, to be alert close down space, don't allow the opposition to get into dangerous areas, cause them problems with our movement and skillful players we have,, if our attacking is done at a snails pace it becomes very hard to pick that pace up while defending to stay focused and alert.
It is really up to each player to remain focused but when that slips then it is up to the team to help each other to keep that focused, as yet this season and the last one and Martin's tenure with all the changes, that team focus and bond on the pitch seems lacking.
We don't see what happening behind the scene but hope Williams get the team on the front foot on Saturday. |
Wish you were our coach | |
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| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 08:49 - Aug 16 with 2678 views | vetchonian |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 08:20 - Aug 16 by RichardO |
Just a thought, given we have Ronald, Vipotnik, Abdulai or Eom in our front line and there is pace and a quite a bit of height and the wings are blocked off and our throw ins won from long goal kicks to touch invariably go backwards, do we consider actually attempt to play the goal kicks down the middle of the park get the wide men in tight one possibly going long the other dropping in just behind the centre forward.
Sounds a dull idea Brentford did it against Man City doing the double over them in recent times even city have used Haaland asone of their a focal points of attacks.
Teams are ready to let us do our thing at the moment and we have become so predictable going forward. We really should be regularly using different options in how we attack teams, at the moment we are trying to rely on individuals to produce a bit of magic instead of staying alert and react to situations and openings as they arise forcing teams to make mistake. At the moment they know what's coming even to.the point of playing a waiting game for when we make our mistakes of over passing in tight areas in our third or over committing further up the pitch.
The starting formation have changed over years to defend against forward starting line ups that have been change to counter defensive line ups but we are predictable and by focusing on the width we are not using the centre of the park well in as an attacking option or defending it well either. There has to be a balance probing for weaknesses all over the park, seeing how the opposition are playing not giving wingers time and space to run at players, making sure we cannot be play though but that has to be done quickly when needed, to be alert close down space, don't allow the opposition to get into dangerous areas, cause them problems with our movement and skillful players we have,, if our attacking is done at a snails pace it becomes very hard to pick that pace up while defending to stay focused and alert.
It is really up to each player to remain focused but when that slips then it is up to the team to help each other to keep that focused, as yet this season and the last one and Martin's tenure with all the changes, that team focus and bond on the pitch seems lacking.
We don't see what happening behind the scene but hope Williams get the team on the front foot on Saturday. |
Good post as usual Richard and I think the point you make about the "team work" is poignant.
we have seen new players again this season ...a change in playing style and youngplayers making debuts.
We have yet ti field thr same starting 11 hopefully this will change over the next few matches ideally with Eom Vip and Ronald up front with Abdulai and Franco sitting behind with Grimes behind them in front of the defence of Tymon Darling Cabango and Key....i think that would give us a better attacking option with Abdulai iffering some height support diwn to the middle for the occcasional route 1.
Issue thenbis there is little in the bench in terms of pace etc....we need Providence and or Gordin | |
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| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 08:51 - Aug 16 with 2675 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 08:49 - Aug 16 by vetchonian |
Good post as usual Richard and I think the point you make about the "team work" is poignant.
we have seen new players again this season ...a change in playing style and youngplayers making debuts.
We have yet ti field thr same starting 11 hopefully this will change over the next few matches ideally with Eom Vip and Ronald up front with Abdulai and Franco sitting behind with Grimes behind them in front of the defence of Tymon Darling Cabango and Key....i think that would give us a better attacking option with Abdulai iffering some height support diwn to the middle for the occcasional route 1.
Issue thenbis there is little in the bench in terms of pace etc....we need Providence and or Gordin |
And morning to you vetchy
Our hopes and dreams are in the hands of others | |
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| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 11:19 - Aug 16 with 2567 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 08:22 - Aug 16 by onehunglow |
Wish you were our coach |
No you wouldn't, tried to coach young kids and failed miserably, maybe they were too young I tried playing the better players in defence which left little up top didn't win a game, a parent questioned why her son wasn't playing further up the pitch so I played him there and hey presto we win, in another instance a young talented play listen to me about passing to other players which he did and the change in his game was not to his benefit or the teams. I learnt more after I stopped playing competing football than I did just utilising the limited skills I had playing while trying to ensure I got game time, it help the team in some respects but some of the more skillful players didn't care for my captaincy, but if you are winning most people on the pitch and fans are happy. | | | |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 11:56 - Aug 16 with 2527 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 08:49 - Aug 16 by vetchonian |
Good post as usual Richard and I think the point you make about the "team work" is poignant.
we have seen new players again this season ...a change in playing style and youngplayers making debuts.
We have yet ti field thr same starting 11 hopefully this will change over the next few matches ideally with Eom Vip and Ronald up front with Abdulai and Franco sitting behind with Grimes behind them in front of the defence of Tymon Darling Cabango and Key....i think that would give us a better attacking option with Abdulai iffering some height support diwn to the middle for the occcasional route 1.
Issue thenbis there is little in the bench in terms of pace etc....we need Providence and or Gordin |
The team more or less picks itself at the moment Vetch, my concern is about Grimes playing that defensive role in front of the back four, we have only seen Franco a limited amount yet but I think he would be more suited to that role, he seems quicker around the park busy in the way Leon Britton was and Allen. It would also means that Grimes would not have to drop so deep.
It raises the question who to play alongside Grimes, Abdulai seems like he could play there but would he compliment Grimes? Others who have seen him more in the U21s could maybe answer that question.
The back four with the two fullbacks should sit deeper when required be able to play out from the back ensuring the need for the midfield to drop so deep is negated somewhat.
Both Full Backs can then get tighter to the opposition wingers so instead of standing off, get close enough to stop them getting possession and stop us being run ragged.
Both Full Backs have the game or pace to get up the field and the midfielders will still have to cover when they do but it should make it harder for teams down our flanks giving us a better defensive shape so that when teams do try and put pressure on us we don't look so fragile. | | | |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 12:22 - Aug 16 with 2495 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 11:56 - Aug 16 by RichardO |
The team more or less picks itself at the moment Vetch, my concern is about Grimes playing that defensive role in front of the back four, we have only seen Franco a limited amount yet but I think he would be more suited to that role, he seems quicker around the park busy in the way Leon Britton was and Allen. It would also means that Grimes would not have to drop so deep.
It raises the question who to play alongside Grimes, Abdulai seems like he could play there but would he compliment Grimes? Others who have seen him more in the U21s could maybe answer that question.
The back four with the two fullbacks should sit deeper when required be able to play out from the back ensuring the need for the midfield to drop so deep is negated somewhat.
Both Full Backs can then get tighter to the opposition wingers so instead of standing off, get close enough to stop them getting possession and stop us being run ragged.
Both Full Backs have the game or pace to get up the field and the midfielders will still have to cover when they do but it should make it harder for teams down our flanks giving us a better defensive shape so that when teams do try and put pressure on us we don't look so fragile. |
You’re alright with me coach .
Somebody has yet to tell me what Williams HAS brought to the team. Some opine what he MIGHT .
No evidence for me of such | |
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| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 12:29 - Aug 16 with 2487 views | QJumpingJack |
I am not too fussed about style tomorrow vs PNE.
We just need three points on the board.
We need something going into the Cardiff and WBA games. | | | |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 12:52 - Aug 16 with 2447 views | nantywatcher |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 11:56 - Aug 16 by RichardO |
The team more or less picks itself at the moment Vetch, my concern is about Grimes playing that defensive role in front of the back four, we have only seen Franco a limited amount yet but I think he would be more suited to that role, he seems quicker around the park busy in the way Leon Britton was and Allen. It would also means that Grimes would not have to drop so deep.
It raises the question who to play alongside Grimes, Abdulai seems like he could play there but would he compliment Grimes? Others who have seen him more in the U21s could maybe answer that question.
The back four with the two fullbacks should sit deeper when required be able to play out from the back ensuring the need for the midfield to drop so deep is negated somewhat.
Both Full Backs can then get tighter to the opposition wingers so instead of standing off, get close enough to stop them getting possession and stop us being run ragged.
Both Full Backs have the game or pace to get up the field and the midfielders will still have to cover when they do but it should make it harder for teams down our flanks giving us a better defensive shape so that when teams do try and put pressure on us we don't look so fragile. |
The full backs need to sharpen up, I'm not sure I've ever seen a full back with poorer recovery than Key, so often once he's beaten, he gives up. The ridiculous goal by Gillingham was down to the whole team but particularly Tymon standing with their hands in their pockets rather than closing down the guy who hit the cross into the box, I was amazed to see him not move an inch to close the guy down. Both very good to watch at times which needs to last 95 minutes +. | | | |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 14:14 - Aug 16 with 2331 views | KeithHaynes |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 12:29 - Aug 16 by QJumpingJack |
I am not too fussed about style tomorrow vs PNE.
We just need three points on the board.
We need something going into the Cardiff and WBA games. |
Not sure the style we saw on Tuesday will be enough to beat any championship side. |  |
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| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 15:28 - Aug 16 with 2244 views | QJumpingJack |
as I said we need points on the board sooner rather than later. | | | |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 16:29 - Aug 16 with 2166 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 12:52 - Aug 16 by nantywatcher |
The full backs need to sharpen up, I'm not sure I've ever seen a full back with poorer recovery than Key, so often once he's beaten, he gives up. The ridiculous goal by Gillingham was down to the whole team but particularly Tymon standing with their hands in their pockets rather than closing down the guy who hit the cross into the box, I was amazed to see him not move an inch to close the guy down. Both very good to watch at times which needs to last 95 minutes +. |
There is a thought that anybody out on the wing can be covered by shifting across when the ball is on the other side of the pitch as it takes a while for the ball to travel from one side of the pitch but it really is about how much space do you allow the winger I think Tymon gives them too much space, Key had seemed to have got it right but has he regressed? Fulton under Cooper intial gave players in the middle of the midfield too much space and gave away endless free kicks by having to dive in to make a challenge that got rectified but now Grimes, Fulton and Tymon just seem defensively too slow closing down players can't really comment on Key as he seems to recover because of his pace but that slow closing down is causing us problems.
We really need to be fighting for the ball in the opposition's half and tight at the back which we cannot do if the midfield drops deep not able to support the forwards and defensive while the fullbacks are too high.over committing not marking it hard for teams to counter..
If we can make it into a scrap and win at home against Cardiff surely we can against all the other teams in the league. Slow the game down at times to take the sting out of other teams but let's make sure it doesn't take the sting out of ours with very little supply to our forwards. [Post edited 16 Aug 17:22]
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| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 18:41 - Aug 16 with 2057 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 08:20 - Aug 16 by RichardO |
Just a thought, given we have Ronald, Vipotnik, Abdulai or Eom in our front line and there is pace and a quite a bit of height and the wings are blocked off and our throw ins won from long goal kicks to touch invariably go backwards, do we consider actually attempt to play the goal kicks down the middle of the park get the wide men in tight one possibly going long the other dropping in just behind the centre forward.
Sounds a dull idea Brentford did it against Man City doing the double over them in recent times even city have used Haaland asone of their a focal points of attacks.
Teams are ready to let us do our thing at the moment and we have become so predictable going forward. We really should be regularly using different options in how we attack teams, at the moment we are trying to rely on individuals to produce a bit of magic instead of staying alert and react to situations and openings as they arise forcing teams to make mistake. At the moment they know what's coming even to.the point of playing a waiting game for when we make our mistakes of over passing in tight areas in our third or over committing further up the pitch.
The starting formation have changed over years to defend against forward starting line ups that have been change to counter defensive line ups but we are predictable and by focusing on the width we are not using the centre of the park well in as an attacking option or defending it well either. There has to be a balance probing for weaknesses all over the park, seeing how the opposition are playing not giving wingers time and space to run at players, making sure we cannot be play though but that has to be done quickly when needed, to be alert close down space, don't allow the opposition to get into dangerous areas, cause them problems with our movement and skillful players we have,, if our attacking is done at a snails pace it becomes very hard to pick that pace up while defending to stay focused and alert.
It is really up to each player to remain focused but when that slips then it is up to the team to help each other to keep that focused, as yet this season and the last one and Martin's tenure with all the changes, that team focus and bond on the pitch seems lacking.
We don't see what happening behind the scene but hope Williams get the team on the front foot on Saturday. |
Really good players don't need the manager to tell them to change things.
Really good managers acept that a game plan may nt be working and having something different planned.
Really good teams can play different styles, they can do the tiki taka or the long ball as and when.
We do the same thing time after time after time. If Williams is willing to change things around and play to our strengths then who knows.
We have some pace now, we have a tall forward, why don't we sometimes try putting the ball on his head.
It's weird really because when Cullen was there last season he had a few chances on his head and got nowhere near. | | | |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 18:56 - Aug 16 with 2019 views | onehunglow |
Just to pass ball forward | |
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| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 19:02 - Aug 16 with 2008 views | Luther27 |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 14:14 - Aug 16 by KeithHaynes |
Not sure the style we saw on Tuesday will be enough to beat any championship side. |
Agree with that. The other issue is have we enough half decent players to put on the team sheet never mind the style we play. | |
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| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 19:06 - Aug 16 with 1986 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 19:02 - Aug 16 by Luther27 |
Agree with that. The other issue is have we enough half decent players to put on the team sheet never mind the style we play. |
We have enough quality.
Right now
It is purely dawn to ludicrous malcoachibg
Much more and senior pros will complain,or they should
I don’t want us relegated | |
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| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 20:59 - Aug 16 with 1892 views | Andyconky |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 19:06 - Aug 16 by onehunglow |
We have enough quality.
Right now
It is purely dawn to ludicrous malcoachibg
Much more and senior pros will complain,or they should
I don’t want us relegated |
I love to see all of the above comments in terms of tactics etc. However just not being bored would be a good step forward |  |
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| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 21:14 - Aug 16 with 1854 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 20:59 - Aug 16 by Andyconky |
I love to see all of the above comments in terms of tactics etc. However just not being bored would be a good step forward |
Running rather than walking a start | |
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| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 21:17 - Aug 16 with 1851 views | raynor94 |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 19:06 - Aug 16 by onehunglow |
We have enough quality.
Right now
It is purely dawn to ludicrous malcoachibg
Much more and senior pros will complain,or they should
I don’t want us relegated |
We have only played 1 league game mind |  |
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| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 21:27 - Aug 16 with 1813 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 21:17 - Aug 16 by raynor94 |
We have only played 1 league game mind |
True,but we start as we mean to go on.
Last season was exactly the same
Fans are not dumb and won’t watch boring shyte .
We’ve served up this for some time and many have had enough
Watching Oxford v Coventry ,m
Amazing players who were crap / garbage with us are decent,in another team,
That smellls to me of bad coaching and team management op by us.
Players seem relieved to leave us
I believe they feel strangled .
We will see anyway.
Now,is just that. Now | |
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| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 09:57 - Aug 17 with 1552 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 21:17 - Aug 16 by raynor94 |
We have only played 1 league game mind |
Feels like we’ve played a whole season already | |
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| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 09:58 - Aug 17 with 1549 views | pete |
yes come on you Swans you CAN do it | | | |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 10:22 - Aug 17 with 1505 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Preston North End : Match day thread on 09:58 - Aug 17 by pete |
yes come on you Swans you CAN do it |
They can and will | |
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