| Bordeaux go bust 19:18 - Jul 25 with 8983 views | Beckenhamhoop |
100 years of football history gone. They won the league and cup double in 2009. Terribly sad. Barbet a free agent presumably? |  | | |  |
| Bordeaux go bust on 12:39 - Jul 26 with 2271 views | stan4england |
| Bordeaux go bust on 12:35 - Jul 26 by CateLeBonR |
It’s all garonne Pete Tong. |
It’s all garonne petanque? | | | |
| Bordeaux go bust on 12:45 - Jul 26 with 2233 views | CateLeBonR |
| Bordeaux go bust on 12:39 - Jul 26 by stan4england |
It’s all garonne petanque? |
Almost as good as a Stan Boules hattrick! |  | | |
| Bordeaux go bust on 12:48 - Jul 26 with 2227 views | DannyPaddox |
| Bordeaux go bust on 19:20 - Jul 25 by enfieldargh |
They paid a few million for Clive Allen back in the day |
Clive Allen is not the only QPR Bordeaux connection. Theres Shiraz Baidoo, Rowan Vine, Matthew Rosé, Idrissa Syrah, Juergen Sommelier, and of course our Beaujolais Nouveau, Žan Celar.
I’ll get my Côtes du Rhône 😊 |  | | |
| Bordeaux go bust on 14:30 - Jul 26 with 2087 views | colinallcars |
Damn, they were due to play Cork in the European Cup next season. |  | | |
| Bordeaux go bust (n/t) on 14:54 - Jul 26 with 2033 views | CateLeBonR |
| Bordeaux go bust on 14:30 - Jul 26 by colinallcars |
Damn, they were due to play Cork in the European Cup next season. |
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| Bordeaux go bust on 15:13 - Jul 26 with 1987 views | dsw2509 |
Juergen Sommelier. Chapeau. | | | |
| Bordeaux go bust on 15:33 - Jul 26 with 1945 views | BlackCrowe |
Didier Decants used to play for them |  |
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| Bordeaux go bust on 15:38 - Jul 26 with 1932 views | MrSheen |
| Bordeaux go bust on 12:48 - Jul 26 by DannyPaddox |
Clive Allen is not the only QPR Bordeaux connection. Theres Shiraz Baidoo, Rowan Vine, Matthew Rosé, Idrissa Syrah, Juergen Sommelier, and of course our Beaujolais Nouveau, Žan Celar.
I’ll get my Côtes du Rhône 😊 |
Gregory Goodgrigio
Gavi Penrice
Vinhoverde Jones [Post edited 26 Jul 15:45]
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| Bordeaux go bust on 15:59 - Jul 26 with 1875 views | londonscottish |
| Bordeaux go bust on 14:30 - Jul 26 by colinallcars |
Damn, they were due to play Cork in the European Cup next season. |
Clearly they've bottled it. |  |
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| Bordeaux go bust on 16:13 - Jul 26 with 1854 views | Northernr |
That whole corner of France and northern Spain is just about my favourite bit of the world. Bordeaux down the Atlantic coast through Biarritz to San Sebastien. There's a little place called Moliets, next to Leon, with these enormous, sweeping, deserted beaches and towering sand dunes. There's a stopping train from Bordeaux down to Narbonne through Toulouse and Carcassonne. Then along the Med coats to Perpignan. All rugby league country. Hang round on the coast, or go through the high speed rail tunnel (imagine having such a thing) to Barcelona, one change and you're up through Rioja towards Bilbao.
I think I'd already be living there if it wasn't for QPR and you lot 
Bordeaux an interesting case study for those who say we have to leave Loftus Road and have a nice big stadium in the middle of nowhere to be financially successful/sustainable. Their giant white elephant is one of the things that's helped sink them. As Coventry's did.
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| Bordeaux go bust on 16:24 - Jul 26 with 1824 views | MrSheen |
| Bordeaux go bust on 16:13 - Jul 26 by Northernr |
That whole corner of France and northern Spain is just about my favourite bit of the world. Bordeaux down the Atlantic coast through Biarritz to San Sebastien. There's a little place called Moliets, next to Leon, with these enormous, sweeping, deserted beaches and towering sand dunes. There's a stopping train from Bordeaux down to Narbonne through Toulouse and Carcassonne. Then along the Med coats to Perpignan. All rugby league country. Hang round on the coast, or go through the high speed rail tunnel (imagine having such a thing) to Barcelona, one change and you're up through Rioja towards Bilbao.
I think I'd already be living there if it wasn't for QPR and you lot
Bordeaux an interesting case study for those who say we have to leave Loftus Road and have a nice big stadium in the middle of nowhere to be financially successful/sustainable. Their giant white elephant is one of the things that's helped sink them. As Coventry's did.
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Mrs Sheen and I hosted a joint 60th birthday celebration at the end of May in a big house just outside Gaillac, a town about forty miles east of Toulouse. I’d never heard of the place, but we absolutely loved it, just the 95 local vineyards. There are some stunning medieval hilltop villages to visit, mostly with Cathar connections, but Puycelci took the biscuit for me. Can’t wait for a chance to head down there again.
You can tell it’s rugby country just looking at the people. We never saw anyone particularly tall but most of the men over 25 were about 4 foot wide. [Post edited 26 Jul 16:33]
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| Bordeaux go bust on 17:37 - Jul 26 with 1735 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Bordeaux go bust on 16:13 - Jul 26 by Northernr |
That whole corner of France and northern Spain is just about my favourite bit of the world. Bordeaux down the Atlantic coast through Biarritz to San Sebastien. There's a little place called Moliets, next to Leon, with these enormous, sweeping, deserted beaches and towering sand dunes. There's a stopping train from Bordeaux down to Narbonne through Toulouse and Carcassonne. Then along the Med coats to Perpignan. All rugby league country. Hang round on the coast, or go through the high speed rail tunnel (imagine having such a thing) to Barcelona, one change and you're up through Rioja towards Bilbao.
I think I'd already be living there if it wasn't for QPR and you lot
Bordeaux an interesting case study for those who say we have to leave Loftus Road and have a nice big stadium in the middle of nowhere to be financially successful/sustainable. Their giant white elephant is one of the things that's helped sink them. As Coventry's did.
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That train runs between Bordeaux and Marseille, picking Mrs PH and myself up at the halfway point should we be going east or west.
It's an old piece of kit, fit for the knackers yard. However, my beef with it is its world-class ability to be perpetually late! Its really a come-to-Jesus moment to arrive at the station and not see 'Retard' beside the hopeful arrival time.
I know yesterday's delay experienced was due to vandalism, but when we got to the station, we weren't the only ones huffing until the reason was explained. |  |
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| Bordeaux go bust on 18:34 - Jul 26 with 1663 views | hantssi |
| Bordeaux go bust on 16:13 - Jul 26 by Northernr |
That whole corner of France and northern Spain is just about my favourite bit of the world. Bordeaux down the Atlantic coast through Biarritz to San Sebastien. There's a little place called Moliets, next to Leon, with these enormous, sweeping, deserted beaches and towering sand dunes. There's a stopping train from Bordeaux down to Narbonne through Toulouse and Carcassonne. Then along the Med coats to Perpignan. All rugby league country. Hang round on the coast, or go through the high speed rail tunnel (imagine having such a thing) to Barcelona, one change and you're up through Rioja towards Bilbao.
I think I'd already be living there if it wasn't for QPR and you lot
Bordeaux an interesting case study for those who say we have to leave Loftus Road and have a nice big stadium in the middle of nowhere to be financially successful/sustainable. Their giant white elephant is one of the things that's helped sink them. As Coventry's did.
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Holidayed numerous times in and around Perpignan when the kids were youngsters, beautiful area, got the little train up into the Pyrenees, stunning views all round.
Also loved it around Biarritz when we went there.
As you say, I wouldn’t mind living there myself. | | | |
| Bordeaux go bust on 19:12 - Jul 26 with 1634 views | StJude82 |
Should've stayed with England during the 100 years war. Would still have a football club now. | | | |
| Bordeaux go bust on 22:31 - Jul 26 with 1535 views | NewBee |
| Bordeaux go bust on 16:13 - Jul 26 by Northernr |
That whole corner of France and northern Spain is just about my favourite bit of the world. Bordeaux down the Atlantic coast through Biarritz to San Sebastien. There's a little place called Moliets, next to Leon, with these enormous, sweeping, deserted beaches and towering sand dunes. There's a stopping train from Bordeaux down to Narbonne through Toulouse and Carcassonne. Then along the Med coats to Perpignan. All rugby league country. Hang round on the coast, or go through the high speed rail tunnel (imagine having such a thing) to Barcelona, one change and you're up through Rioja towards Bilbao.
I think I'd already be living there if it wasn't for QPR and you lot
Bordeaux an interesting case study for those who say we have to leave Loftus Road and have a nice big stadium in the middle of nowhere to be financially successful/sustainable. Their giant white elephant is one of the things that's helped sink them. As Coventry's did.
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What "sunk" Coventry - and they're hardly dead yet - wasn't the move to the Ricoh per se.
Rather it was a combination of Wasps shafting them, along with with the local Council colluding in the process.
Meanwhile CCFC have not only survived, but show signs of thriving again. While those entitled arseholes at Wasps, well, we all know what has happened to them.
As someone once said: Oh Dear. How Sad. Never Mind.
As for Bordeaux, really don't know enough to comment, but it's curious that well-known teams like them, Schalke 04 and Vitesse Arnhem have all gone under/come close very recently, while English teams somehow manage to cling on, even while people have been predicting for decades now that "the bubble is about to burst" over here. [Post edited 26 Jul 22:33]
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| Bordeaux go bust on 03:52 - Jul 27 with 1433 views | SonofNorfolt |
The thing is they had a pretty big ground, used in WC '98, before moving to the new one.
Saw them at home last December, lots of in fighting between the fans, who frequent different parts of the stadium.
The year before they somehow naused up promotion that caused near riots, Barbet, captain and player of the season I think, had to help quell the supporters anger.
As was mentioned earlier, like Schalke 04, not a small club, but Schalke even when shi t in Bundesliga 2 still get 60,000. |  | | |
| Bordeaux go bust on 07:52 - Jul 27 with 1334 views | BlackCrowe |
| Bordeaux go bust on 16:13 - Jul 26 by Northernr |
That whole corner of France and northern Spain is just about my favourite bit of the world. Bordeaux down the Atlantic coast through Biarritz to San Sebastien. There's a little place called Moliets, next to Leon, with these enormous, sweeping, deserted beaches and towering sand dunes. There's a stopping train from Bordeaux down to Narbonne through Toulouse and Carcassonne. Then along the Med coats to Perpignan. All rugby league country. Hang round on the coast, or go through the high speed rail tunnel (imagine having such a thing) to Barcelona, one change and you're up through Rioja towards Bilbao.
I think I'd already be living there if it wasn't for QPR and you lot
Bordeaux an interesting case study for those who say we have to leave Loftus Road and have a nice big stadium in the middle of nowhere to be financially successful/sustainable. Their giant white elephant is one of the things that's helped sink them. As Coventry's did.
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Just setting off shortly driving for a couple of hours from Porto into Galicia, to stay in a town called Baiona for a few days. Any recs gratefully received for day tripping, walks, swims etc? | |
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| Bordeaux go bust on 08:54 - Jul 27 with 1267 views | londonscottish |
| Bordeaux go bust on 16:13 - Jul 26 by Northernr |
That whole corner of France and northern Spain is just about my favourite bit of the world. Bordeaux down the Atlantic coast through Biarritz to San Sebastien. There's a little place called Moliets, next to Leon, with these enormous, sweeping, deserted beaches and towering sand dunes. There's a stopping train from Bordeaux down to Narbonne through Toulouse and Carcassonne. Then along the Med coats to Perpignan. All rugby league country. Hang round on the coast, or go through the high speed rail tunnel (imagine having such a thing) to Barcelona, one change and you're up through Rioja towards Bilbao.
I think I'd already be living there if it wasn't for QPR and you lot
Bordeaux an interesting case study for those who say we have to leave Loftus Road and have a nice big stadium in the middle of nowhere to be financially successful/sustainable. Their giant white elephant is one of the things that's helped sink them. As Coventry's did.
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Love that part of the world. I've had holidays in the western-most part of the South of France (Gruissan Plage), I've driven from there all across the Pyrenees to San Sebastian, I've done Bordeaux, Lacanau, Arcachon etc plus various places inland in SW France. In recent years have had a string of holidays on that Atlantic coast with bikes. I get a bit bored just lying on a beach and being able to use some time up cycling to a remote and quiet beach is great. Plus you can cycle back via an oyster shack or bar or both. Went there yet again last year and loved it.
So of course the mrs has booked a holiday in Majorca this year. | |
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| Bordeaux go bust on 09:26 - Jul 27 with 1247 views | Northernr |
| Bordeaux go bust on 22:31 - Jul 26 by NewBee |
What "sunk" Coventry - and they're hardly dead yet - wasn't the move to the Ricoh per se.
Rather it was a combination of Wasps shafting them, along with with the local Council colluding in the process.
Meanwhile CCFC have not only survived, but show signs of thriving again. While those entitled arseholes at Wasps, well, we all know what has happened to them.
As someone once said: Oh Dear. How Sad. Never Mind.
As for Bordeaux, really don't know enough to comment, but it's curious that well-known teams like them, Schalke 04 and Vitesse Arnhem have all gone under/come close very recently, while English teams somehow manage to cling on, even while people have been predicting for decades now that "the bubble is about to burst" over here. [Post edited 26 Jul 22:33]
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Coventry were a Premier League team playing in a perfectly adequate stadium in the middle of the city which they owned. They swapped it for a bowl in the middle of nowhere with a rent so punitive it meant they had to get 20,000+ at every home game just to break even. They ended up in League 2 playing games at Northampton. That was all long before Wasps showed up. | | | |
| Bordeaux go bust on 18:38 - Jul 28 with 934 views | NewBee |
| Bordeaux go bust on 09:26 - Jul 27 by Northernr |
Coventry were a Premier League team playing in a perfectly adequate stadium in the middle of the city which they owned. They swapped it for a bowl in the middle of nowhere with a rent so punitive it meant they had to get 20,000+ at every home game just to break even. They ended up in League 2 playing games at Northampton. That was all long before Wasps showed up. |
You're quite correct about the timing of Wasps and Coventry City FC - it was indeed late in the whole, sorry saga.
However, the departure from Highfield Road was more a symptom of, rather than the cause of, CCFC's problems, which was down to (the usual) financial mismanagement by the club's owners.
That is, despite being a reasonably stable, sustainable PL club up until the mid-1990's, by the end of the decade they had incurred big debts in trying to keep up.
And while Highfield Road was "adequate" in terms of capacity, it was increasingly outdated, lacking modern facilities and also experiencing traffic and parking problems in that location.
Therefore it was decided that they should sell the ground to Tesco and build a modern, revenue-generating 40k stadium, fit for the PL in the 21st century instead (the Ricoh). However, they wasted the Tesco money and with the debt having reached £60m - a huge sum for the period - when they got relegated in 2001, the writing was on the wall.
Meaning they were unable to fund the new stadium, leaving the Council to pick up the £113m tab and build it. Worse still, the club wasn't putting up any money towards it (four directors claim they contributed £2m between them personally), meaning that as "beggars", they were in no position to be "choosers" when accepting the Council's rent demands.
All of which became worse when SISU took over CCFC - their motives were always suspect, while they never had a good relationship with the Council, leading to CCFC moving out etc.
Even worse was to follow when Wasps moved into the Ricoh in 2014 - the Council seems to have been dazzled by their big talk etc, meaning they were ever more scornful of the football club, not helped by the fact that the indoor section of the stadium (Conference, Hotel, casino?) was doing ok financially, meaning the Council felt they could do without the football club entirely, unless on their (Council) terms.
So all-in-all, a sorry tale of incompetence and mismanagement over a long period, but sadly not an unfamiliar one in English football. Still, they survived somehow, unlike some of their continental counterparts such as Bordeaux. | | | |
| Bordeaux go bust on 18:48 - Jul 28 with 907 views | kernowhoop |
| Bordeaux go bust on 18:38 - Jul 28 by NewBee |
You're quite correct about the timing of Wasps and Coventry City FC - it was indeed late in the whole, sorry saga.
However, the departure from Highfield Road was more a symptom of, rather than the cause of, CCFC's problems, which was down to (the usual) financial mismanagement by the club's owners.
That is, despite being a reasonably stable, sustainable PL club up until the mid-1990's, by the end of the decade they had incurred big debts in trying to keep up.
And while Highfield Road was "adequate" in terms of capacity, it was increasingly outdated, lacking modern facilities and also experiencing traffic and parking problems in that location.
Therefore it was decided that they should sell the ground to Tesco and build a modern, revenue-generating 40k stadium, fit for the PL in the 21st century instead (the Ricoh). However, they wasted the Tesco money and with the debt having reached £60m - a huge sum for the period - when they got relegated in 2001, the writing was on the wall.
Meaning they were unable to fund the new stadium, leaving the Council to pick up the £113m tab and build it. Worse still, the club wasn't putting up any money towards it (four directors claim they contributed £2m between them personally), meaning that as "beggars", they were in no position to be "choosers" when accepting the Council's rent demands.
All of which became worse when SISU took over CCFC - their motives were always suspect, while they never had a good relationship with the Council, leading to CCFC moving out etc.
Even worse was to follow when Wasps moved into the Ricoh in 2014 - the Council seems to have been dazzled by their big talk etc, meaning they were ever more scornful of the football club, not helped by the fact that the indoor section of the stadium (Conference, Hotel, casino?) was doing ok financially, meaning the Council felt they could do without the football club entirely, unless on their (Council) terms.
So all-in-all, a sorry tale of incompetence and mismanagement over a long period, but sadly not an unfamiliar one in English football. Still, they survived somehow, unlike some of their continental counterparts such as Bordeaux. |
Highfield Road always looked OK (to me) and it was England's first all-seater stadium. | | | |
| Bordeaux go bust on 22:39 - Jul 28 with 782 views | NewBee |
| Bordeaux go bust on 18:48 - Jul 28 by kernowhoop |
Highfield Road always looked OK (to me) and it was England's first all-seater stadium. |
Everyone remembers that, but not so many remember what came soon after:
"Jimmy Hill, the manager that took the club into the top flight and later became chairman, made history at Highfield Road in 1981 when he made it the country's first all-seater stadium.
However, the plan went horribly wrong when fans stayed away from the stadium and hooligans even ripped up the seats to use as missiles.
The standing areas were later restored and Hill left just two years after he introduced the terrace revolution."
While I suspect that other than new seating following the Taylor Report, there wasn't a great deal spent on it in the following 20 years, when they moved out, with the capacity having fallen to 23k (record crowd 51k). | | | |
| Bordeaux go bust on 01:34 - Jul 29 with 737 views | DannyPaddox |
Zinfandel Rangel | | | |
| Bordeaux go bust on 11:42 - Jul 29 with 603 views | californiahoop |
| Bordeaux go bust on 16:13 - Jul 26 by Northernr |
That whole corner of France and northern Spain is just about my favourite bit of the world. Bordeaux down the Atlantic coast through Biarritz to San Sebastien. There's a little place called Moliets, next to Leon, with these enormous, sweeping, deserted beaches and towering sand dunes. There's a stopping train from Bordeaux down to Narbonne through Toulouse and Carcassonne. Then along the Med coats to Perpignan. All rugby league country. Hang round on the coast, or go through the high speed rail tunnel (imagine having such a thing) to Barcelona, one change and you're up through Rioja towards Bilbao.
I think I'd already be living there if it wasn't for QPR and you lot
Bordeaux an interesting case study for those who say we have to leave Loftus Road and have a nice big stadium in the middle of nowhere to be financially successful/sustainable. Their giant white elephant is one of the things that's helped sink them. As Coventry's did.
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Yes, Ceret and a couple of hours across the board into Tarragona Spain, beautiful, spent a few summers in these locations, stunningly beautiful and tranquil! | | | |
| Bordeaux go bust on 11:50 - Jul 29 with 677 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Vive la Red Star! |  | | |
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