| Top Half...Top 6 23:15 - Sep 29 with 3399 views | Thrasher6 |
Now I'm very seasoned in what I am going to put forward here......my job is to compile odds (30 years)....and I smell a rick.
In places we were 16/1 to be Top 6...prior to tonight. Had 50 on that. Stupid odds...(they changed it to 9/1...) It's massively shorter...no more than 4/1 in my opinion.
But here's the gift. Prior to the Fulham game we were 5/2 to be Top Half.....top half.....really really...we lost tonight but we were fantastic. Top 12 is a certainty...they might 11/4...3/1 tomorrow morning.
I am going to raid the house account (the missus has agreed) to have 2k at whatever they offer.
This is an investment. A great return. [Post edited 29 Sep 2021 23:29]
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 16:53 - Sep 30 with 827 views | Catullus |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 16:21 - Sep 30 by Thrasher6 |
The negativity on here really does astound me. Don't you realise that West Brom and Fulham are head and shoulders above the rest in this division.
I have witnessed the dross of many of our early opponents and we have very little to fear in this division. Be nice if people can recognize this and stop this constant sniping and associated nonsense... |
Negativity, that made me laugh. I've been one of the cheerleaders on here for what Martin is doing. That doesn't mean I can't tell reality from fiction though and saying we put in a fantastic performance is just not right. It was a decent performance in several respects. We kept possession well, we passed well BUT our defending was abysmal at times and up front we hardly troubled them.
If you read other posts of mine you may notice that I have put into context where we are compared to Fulham but accepting that stil doesn't mean we were fantastic.
Lets put it this way, a fantastic performance would have given us 3 points, in my opinion. Losing 3-1 isn't fantastic. Not with how weak we were in defence and attack. |  |
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 16:53 - Sep 30 with 811 views | onehunglow |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 16:21 - Sep 30 by Thrasher6 |
The negativity on here really does astound me. Don't you realise that West Brom and Fulham are head and shoulders above the rest in this division.
I have witnessed the dross of many of our early opponents and we have very little to fear in this division. Be nice if people can recognize this and stop this constant sniping and associated nonsense... |
Posts like your ,Sir are that which staggers.How can a manger say that we played "great" last night.How.
Results do not lie.
Who exactly have we beaten this year,those outside the favourites to go up. We couldnt beat an abject lowly Hull and hung on against Huddersfield.
Why do we play only for 90 mins.
Its not tirednes as Russ ays as last night we were better or less worse in the second half whereas v Hudds we drifted away in the second half.
Abject at Luton in the first but better in the 2nd.
Weird to see concern and worried fans being seen as morons/clueless and badasses. | |
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 16:53 - Sep 30 with 828 views | Thrasher6 |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 16:48 - Sep 30 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
"Toe to toe"
Meaning Marco Silva was happy to watch Swansea City's defenders and whichever centre midfielder was playing centre back with them pass it around the back with no intent, patiently waiting for for us to lose the ball. Fulham would subsequently counter attack whilst Bidwell and Laird were 50 yards ahead of the other defenders and they created numerous chances.
I cannot name a more deluded fan base than ours. |
No surprise that you piped up....christ almighty....we are playing the best team in the league....ffs | |
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 16:58 - Sep 30 with 800 views | onehunglow |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 16:53 - Sep 30 by Thrasher6 |
No surprise that you piped up....christ almighty....we are playing the best team in the league....ffs |
But they are not so possibly.
West Brom coming soon will be another painful night under Sky.
We will hear and read the same excuses.
FFS ,is this really where we are now. Doffing our cap to super clubs like Fulham FC. | |
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 17:04 - Sep 30 with 813 views | Thrasher6 |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 16:58 - Sep 30 by onehunglow |
But they are not so possibly.
West Brom coming soon will be another painful night under Sky.
We will hear and read the same excuses.
FFS ,is this really where we are now. Doffing our cap to super clubs like Fulham FC. |
So you expect us to beat Fulham and West Brom...and you are aghast that we haven't or won't. Feck my eyes....you really do need to look into the mirror....long and hard about your last post. | |
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 17:21 - Sep 30 with 805 views | Catullus |
I disagree with OHL about this. Why do some people seem to think we deserve to be beating the Huddersfields and Lutons, this division is much tighter than that.
On the other hand, I'm not sure Fulham are the best team in this division either. For me that's West Brom but we'll find out come next May.
it doesn't change the performance though, it wasn't all that bad but it was never fantastic. have you considered that other odds compilers are right?
For myself, I'm still giving the tea and manager time. None of us expected much from last night and we didn't get much. It's not really a yardstick because we all know (or should at least) Fulham are ina better place than us, rich owner, parachute payments etc. The real yardstick is when we play the teams in roughly the same situation as us. Those teams that were in this division last season, mostly. Derby will be a much better yardstick as will Cardiff. If we lose the next 2 games then it'll be time to worry but even if we win them, it doesn't mean we're the finished article. | |
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 17:25 - Sep 30 with 801 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 16:53 - Sep 30 by Thrasher6 |
No surprise that you piped up....christ almighty....we are playing the best team in the league....ffs |
They're third. Had they lost yesterday, they would be fifth. They had won two of their last five matches, losing to Blackpool and Reading in the process.
You're talking as if they're unbeaten all season and tearing all teams apart. They're not. You're talking as if we just played Manchester City. We didn't. They're a good second tier team. |  |
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 17:57 - Sep 30 with 772 views | onehunglow |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 17:21 - Sep 30 by Catullus |
I disagree with OHL about this. Why do some people seem to think we deserve to be beating the Huddersfields and Lutons, this division is much tighter than that.
On the other hand, I'm not sure Fulham are the best team in this division either. For me that's West Brom but we'll find out come next May.
it doesn't change the performance though, it wasn't all that bad but it was never fantastic. have you considered that other odds compilers are right?
For myself, I'm still giving the tea and manager time. None of us expected much from last night and we didn't get much. It's not really a yardstick because we all know (or should at least) Fulham are ina better place than us, rich owner, parachute payments etc. The real yardstick is when we play the teams in roughly the same situation as us. Those teams that were in this division last season, mostly. Derby will be a much better yardstick as will Cardiff. If we lose the next 2 games then it'll be time to worry but even if we win them, it doesn't mean we're the finished article. |
Cat.
It is because many of our posters seem in awe of Fulham ,West Brom and the perceived "big clubs so I was trying to introduce some perspective at this time .
I do wonder about those quite happy to go along with Russ,no matter what. He has no evidence of any plan at all. | |
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 18:06 - Sep 30 with 784 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 16:21 - Sep 30 by Thrasher6 |
The negativity on here really does astound me. Don't you realise that West Brom and Fulham are head and shoulders above the rest in this division.
I have witnessed the dross of many of our early opponents and we have very little to fear in this division. Be nice if people can recognize this and stop this constant sniping and associated nonsense... |
‘ Don't you realise that West Brom and Fulham are head and shoulders above the rest in this division. ’
Isn’t that a but inconsistent with the claims about going toe to toe with them?
I agree they are a great team at this level.
I’m sure they’ll go up.
Our season won’t depend on last nights result. More concerning are the comments from RM that we matched them as I really don’t think we did anything of the sort.
Hopefully we can get some sort of sequence of results together soon.
I’ve spent almost as long as you btw supporting us, and I’ve been many seasons where I’ve thought we are about to kick on and yet we haven’t done so and have been in trouble. I worry that Martin is too stubborn to do what is necessary. | | | |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 18:21 - Sep 30 with 781 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 15:35 - Sep 30 by Thrasher6 |
Sanctimonious tw@t.....get over yourself |
Fake news
"This is an investment. A great return.""
If you have a tip present it as a tip not a sure fire bet and do not encourage people to use the house keeping money. [Post edited 30 Sep 2021 18:22]
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 18:38 - Sep 30 with 764 views | Thrasher6 |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 18:21 - Sep 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Fake news
"This is an investment. A great return.""
If you have a tip present it as a tip not a sure fire bet and do not encourage people to use the house keeping money. [Post edited 30 Sep 2021 18:22]
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God you really are up yourself...you must look into the mirror every morning...with a smugness...about how superior you are to ordinary people.
And btw our house account is our savings account...I keep 2k spare in my current account?...no I don't. The trouble is you want to be so precious...so right on...that you'll pick up on things to make you look right on. [Post edited 30 Sep 2021 18:47]
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 21:06 - Sep 30 with 730 views | jacksfullaces |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 16:48 - Sep 30 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
"Toe to toe"
Meaning Marco Silva was happy to watch Swansea City's defenders and whichever centre midfielder was playing centre back with them pass it around the back with no intent, patiently waiting for for us to lose the ball. Fulham would subsequently counter attack whilst Bidwell and Laird were 50 yards ahead of the other defenders and they created numerous chances.
I cannot name a more deluded fan base than ours. |
deluded fan base? you referring to the handful who spend hours bickering on here or got a broader sample size? | | | |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 22:50 - Sep 30 with 699 views | WalterBoyd |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 11:27 - Sep 30 by Brynmill_Jack |
That’s a very poor post. Take a look at yourself Walter before putting the boot into others. |
I was responding to his post which was -
"Really...really...we played tremendous stuff tonight.....what the f@ck were you watching. What a moronic idiot you are..."
But that's fine with you is it Bryn?.He can be a twit without your help highlighting it Bryn. | | | |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 23:45 - Sep 30 with 669 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 16:48 - Sep 30 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
"Toe to toe"
Meaning Marco Silva was happy to watch Swansea City's defenders and whichever centre midfielder was playing centre back with them pass it around the back with no intent, patiently waiting for for us to lose the ball. Fulham would subsequently counter attack whilst Bidwell and Laird were 50 yards ahead of the other defenders and they created numerous chances.
I cannot name a more deluded fan base than ours. |
We used to say this about Cardiff.
But we have to be close to surpassing them now surely? Any form of reality is seen as “negativity”. |  |
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 23:49 - Sep 30 with 685 views | jasper_T |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 13:55 - Sep 30 by Dr_Parnassus |
If he starts messaging people telling them to bet on things using a specific company then you would have a point.
But there isn’t anything to suggest this is the case.
This is football language. We have Catullus on the other thread saying we should “lump on” Martinez being next manager of Barca.
It’s just normal social speak. |
Hopefully one day in the future betting terms won't be "football language". We're slowly making progress. | | | |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 23:58 - Sep 30 with 663 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 23:49 - Sep 30 by jasper_T |
Hopefully one day in the future betting terms won't be "football language". We're slowly making progress. |
Maybe, but currently it’s very much part of the culture and has been for decades. Absolutely nothing wrong with a recreational bet, which of course most people do.
This fella sticking thousands from his savings on is certainly not recommended but he’s an adult and can do what he likes I guess. He knows what he can afford to lose, its not up to us to tell him how he can and cant spend his money.
Its also not up to us to tell him he can/cant tell us about it either. Thats what people do on forums. | |
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 00:48 - Oct 1 with 659 views | Jack123 |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 23:58 - Sep 30 by Dr_Parnassus |
Maybe, but currently it’s very much part of the culture and has been for decades. Absolutely nothing wrong with a recreational bet, which of course most people do.
This fella sticking thousands from his savings on is certainly not recommended but he’s an adult and can do what he likes I guess. He knows what he can afford to lose, its not up to us to tell him how he can and cant spend his money.
Its also not up to us to tell him he can/cant tell us about it either. Thats what people do on forums. |
I hope you win, personally I wouldn't fancy it, once you bring injuries/suspensions into the equation.
I like a bet myself, but it seems to me, there is a slighter higher risk of your bet, than you have anticipated.
Edit. Sorry, meant to add to topic. [Post edited 1 Oct 2021 0:49]
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 01:03 - Oct 1 with 641 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 00:48 - Oct 1 by Jack123 |
I hope you win, personally I wouldn't fancy it, once you bring injuries/suspensions into the equation.
I like a bet myself, but it seems to me, there is a slighter higher risk of your bet, than you have anticipated.
Edit. Sorry, meant to add to topic. [Post edited 1 Oct 2021 0:49]
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Yeah, wouldn’t catch me doing it.
Top half seems a reasonable bet, but wouldn’t be backing it myself.
From what Thrasher says, he has a similar job to me, although not quite sure how considering what he says about odds etc. I am guessing he may be from the ole school generation where a lot of it was done on feel. Its fair to say the industry has come on leaps and bounds since then and the odds compilers use far smarter decision making than the old timers.
However anyone who knows what they are doing wouldn’t be able to get any money down anyway, let alone £2000. I’m banned from every online bookmaker in the country. My accounts are either closed or the stake gets changed to 0.01% of the limit allowed rendering the exercise a pointless one. I saw an error on Bet365 last week, tried to get £200 down hoping to go under the radar and was restricted to 98p rejecting the rest.
So anyone claiming they are putting £2000 down on a bet and recommending it to others probably doesn’t quite grasp the art, and I certainly wouldn’t be following. Put it that way. | |
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 15:14 - Oct 1 with 583 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 23:58 - Sep 30 by Dr_Parnassus |
Maybe, but currently it’s very much part of the culture and has been for decades. Absolutely nothing wrong with a recreational bet, which of course most people do.
This fella sticking thousands from his savings on is certainly not recommended but he’s an adult and can do what he likes I guess. He knows what he can afford to lose, its not up to us to tell him how he can and cant spend his money.
Its also not up to us to tell him he can/cant tell us about it either. Thats what people do on forums. |
He may be an experienced adult of means but I suspect there are a few on here who are teenagers (old enough to bet) and people in their early twenties.
The fellow seemed to be selling is opinions by making unreasonable or fake claims (as a salesman might do)
Hyping up the team
Calling a wager a 'investment'
Claiming Swansea to finish to 12 a 'certainty'.
He was advertising odd at good terms. A novice punter might be advised to go for introductory (money back ) offers from what I understand.
It is up to me to correct fake claims. It is up to other to examine the claim that finishing top 12 is a 'certainty'. | |
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 16:58 - Oct 1 with 574 views | Catullus |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 15:14 - Oct 1 by ReslovenSwan1 |
He may be an experienced adult of means but I suspect there are a few on here who are teenagers (old enough to bet) and people in their early twenties.
The fellow seemed to be selling is opinions by making unreasonable or fake claims (as a salesman might do)
Hyping up the team
Calling a wager a 'investment'
Claiming Swansea to finish to 12 a 'certainty'.
He was advertising odd at good terms. A novice punter might be advised to go for introductory (money back ) offers from what I understand.
It is up to me to correct fake claims. It is up to other to examine the claim that finishing top 12 is a 'certainty'. |
Thing is Res, no sports bet is a certainty. I seem to remember a Tottenham fan lumping on (20k was it) when they were 3 nil up against Manyoo many years back but Manyoo won 4-3.
At this stage in the season absolutely anything is possible still. We could turn into a fantastic team in the next 3 weeks, go on a 5-6 game winning run then suffer svevral long term ijnjuries and find ourselves in the bottom 3 come April/May. OR, the 100% doubters could be proved very wrong and we are in the top 6 come January.
Stating that a bet is a certainty at this stage of the season is a bit silly really, specially for someone who is apparently a kind of expert.
I take your point though, the naive or easily led could take his advice. | |
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 00:14 - Oct 2 with 545 views | Jack123 |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 15:14 - Oct 1 by ReslovenSwan1 |
He may be an experienced adult of means but I suspect there are a few on here who are teenagers (old enough to bet) and people in their early twenties.
The fellow seemed to be selling is opinions by making unreasonable or fake claims (as a salesman might do)
Hyping up the team
Calling a wager a 'investment'
Claiming Swansea to finish to 12 a 'certainty'.
He was advertising odd at good terms. A novice punter might be advised to go for introductory (money back ) offers from what I understand.
It is up to me to correct fake claims. It is up to other to examine the claim that finishing top 12 is a 'certainty'. |
From what he has said, I wouldn't go for what you say, looks like the man is certain of the result, in the same instance from what you have said, you are pushing people to punt on the bottom half.  | |
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| Top Half...Top 6 on 15:58 - Oct 2 with 492 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Top Half...Top 6 on 16:48 - Sep 30 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
"Toe to toe"
Meaning Marco Silva was happy to watch Swansea City's defenders and whichever centre midfielder was playing centre back with them pass it around the back with no intent, patiently waiting for for us to lose the ball. Fulham would subsequently counter attack whilst Bidwell and Laird were 50 yards ahead of the other defenders and they created numerous chances.
I cannot name a more deluded fan base than ours. |
I bet you coooouuld ……… just drive East 38 miles |  |
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