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Car hits crowd of anti-fascist protesters amid white-supremacist violence on 08:21 - Aug 16 by Mo_Wives
Right, hold my hand, H, engage your brain and not your emotions and lets walk through this.
Turning America white is their solution. I said I disagree with their solution. Their solution is identity politics. Unlike them and you I am against identity politics. I treat people by the content of their character, not the colour of their skin, their sexual preferences or what's between their legs. Identity politics...theirs and yours...have got to go. People who call for special treatment of minorities and people who call for special treatment for straight, white men have more in common than they know or would ever like to admit. And you post up a link from Vice, when they and the Huff Po, Buzzfeed etc are one of the main reasons young white men are moving towards white identity. BTW, I don't need Vice to tell me the white identity groups are scum...like I don't need Breitbart to tell me Antifa and BLM are scum.
Now, their complaints boil down to different standards applied to them (white people) and some of these complaints I agree with.
Now, if like me, the event captured by this photo, where a group of students in 1963 Alabama were being stopped from attending school, just because they had the wrong skin colour disgusts you...
While at the same time, you see nothing wrong with the events in this picture. Where a group of kids in Evergreen University 2017, were told they had to stay away from school because they had the wrong skin colour. (BTW, what a narcissistic bunch of douchebags....cringe)...
Then believe me, Hump, you are a cog in the engine driving young white kids to choose white identity. I'm saying left wing identity groups...stop that! Right wing identity groups...stop that! You say "I will dismiss their complaints", well I will listen to their complaints...I may not agree, but I will listen. When words become impossible, violence becomes inevitable.
I could mention things like the BBC advertising jobs where white people are excluded from applying. I could mention the link Dialew put up yesterday where some narcissist is telling (white) people they can't use black emoji's and Gif's. Imagine that the other way around. I could mention the media support of BLM while they call for racial segregation. Imagine the reaction if white kids did that. I could mention affirmative action/diversity quotas. Where a white kid, living in a trailer and when not working is trying to study and babysit his siblings, while his single mother works all night. Even though this kid has scored higher exam results than a black kid who's both parents are lawyers and paid for a good schooling, the university place goes to the black kid because he has had to overcome certain disadvantages. (this is highly racist belief) I could go on...
Now we get to Antifa. They have attacked women, peaceful protester, free speech advocates, for the last 18 months...they are violent idiots. My tactic would have been, like Martin Luther King told the black people, let these idiots beat you...let them expose themselves, for as soon as you fight back the media will only show those images. But the Alt right fought back, now the massive left wing propaganda machine is in action "oh...ignore Antifa, they are heroes doing what's needed to fight these violent white nationalist". I denounce them both Hump....unlike you, I don't say which one is worse. They're both violent idiots.
And on to my favourite part of your post...the Nazis. Tell me Hump, why did people ignore the Nazis in the 30's?...tick-tock tick-tock...c'mon, Hump, you can do it... No?...OK, I'll tell you. In those days there were running battles in the street between two groups who dealt in identity politics. The Nazis and the Communists (sounds eerily familiar, yes?)...both violent thugs...one right wing, one left wing...two cheeks of the same arse. Now, in Weimar Germany certain people saw the Communist as the bigger danger. So they went onto the internet (wink) and set about convincing other Germans why the Nazis were the lesser evil out of the two identity groups. They used videos from Nazi propaganda groups like 'Ze Vice' and convinced the people to focus on the Communists...therefore giving the Nazis a free ride. Now, here you are doing the same. You think your doing different because you are saying beware of the right wing extremists, instead of the left wing extremists. What, in my humble opinion you need to be doing, is like Donald Trump, denouncing violence in all it's forms...right wing and left wing. You need to try and convince people to move away from both fringes and towards the center. The last thing you should do is give one side credibility when they say we aren't being listened to, by dismissing their complaints.
Oh, and finally, don't apologise for boring people...you are what you are. Embrace your true self, Hump. Say it loud..."I'm dull and I'm proud" (that was a joke, BTW)
[Post edited 16 Aug 2017 15:11]
Gosh! Where to start? So much bollocks, so little time.
You've thrown so much shit on the wall there, and in following posts that it would take ages to clean it all off. No doubt intentional. I'll try. A little bit at a time.
Where I completely agree with you. Your first point. Evergreen University 2017. Absolutely pathetic and wrong, and yes racist, a classic example of identity politics at it worst, though I'm sure the wronged white kids have got over not going to university for one whole day of PC bullshit awareness.
BTW why do you claim I see nothing wrong with it? Because building strawmen is Swanjackals favourite hobby and he just can't stop doing it. Where do you live? I'm thinking of opening a straw shop. A big one.
Where I strongly disagree with you. You compare one day of complete PC bollocks to the experiences that generations of young black people endured under segregationist Jim Crow laws for decades. As if they are in any way comparable. I'd biff you on the head with my internet placard if I could for such a pathetic comparison.
Your second point. I'm part of the engine driving white kids to choose white identity. It's so f*cking stupid I don't know what to say. I'm socially liberal, I'm not bonkers PC like the example above. I think racism and homophobia and misogyny are wrong, that's about it. Driving kids into white identity? No. I think whinging alt right, anti PC types like you are trying your best to do that by trying to create a sense of victimhood when they're actually the luckiest, most priveleged race in Britain and America. Most white kids don't give a f*ck about this bullshit in either country. Some f*cked up ones get into this type of rubbish. Helped by people like you who constantly tell them that they're the "real" victim.
Your third point. Once again a mish mash of nonsense. It wasn't about identity politics, it was about two different economic and political systems, one of which was internationalist, the other a load of ethno bollocks that was intent on murdering every Jew they could get their hands on. Which they eventually did.
Yes there were thugs on both sides. The working classes tended to favour the left, the middle and upper classes the right. Because the middle classes didn't want what happened in Russia in 1917 to happen in Germany. They didn't want to lose their businesses and power and money. So they favoured the nazis, thinking they could control them.
What the f*ck has that got to do with what happened last Friday and Saturday?
What happened last weekend was the extreme right decided to put on a show of force, emboldened by a moronic President who knows pissing them off would deplete his already dwindling support. They picked their battleground under the pretence of worrying about a statue and they travelled there from all over America.
Locals who don't want their type invading their city protested against them and the inevitable violence ensued. Yes some Antifa were there. A loosely organised group who oppose the extreme right. But don't compare the two.
I don't condone any violence I've seen on the videos you love posting. Attacking Trump supporters at rallies is wrong. BTW Trump was encouraging his supporters to attack people inside those rallies as his supporters cheered and clapped as they were attacked. Shutting down free speech at Universities is wrong. Lots of the examples you have are utterly wrong. And I condemn it.
But do not compare that to the KKK or Nazis. They are very explicit about what they want. A white America, and they are prepared to murder minorities and liberals to accomplish it, and one of them succeeded.
People who opose them are not the same as them. Even Antifa.
There's an article on the BBC website, about a synagogue in Charlottesville. All day they had a group of uniformed men with assault rifles staring at them as they worshipped. As the right came past they chanted Sieg Heil and other anti Jewish filth. At the same time, online, others of the same type urged them to burn the synagogue down. The Jewish people, terrified, exited through the back door.
Do you support that kind of free speech? Do you think the people opposing these scum are just the same?
Apparently you do.
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Car hits crowd of anti-fascist protesters amid white-supremacist violence on 11:43 - Aug 18 with 1759 views
Car hits crowd of anti-fascist protesters amid white-supremacist violence on 02:45 - Aug 17 by Tummer_from_Texas
Some good points in there, but I have a nit to pick:
"The Nazis and the Communists (sounds eerily familiar, yes?)...both violent thugs...one right wing, one left wing."
It's debatable whether the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazis) was a right wing organization in Weimar Germany. It's own name completely contradicts that widely-held opinion.
[Post edited 17 Aug 2017 2:59]
Christ. Not this again?
I'm guessing you must think North Korea is a democracy then Mike?
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Car hits crowd of anti-fascist protesters amid white-supremacist violence on 12:16 - Aug 18 with 1723 views
Car hits crowd of anti-fascist protesters amid white-supremacist violence on 11:40 - Aug 18 by Humpty
Gosh! Where to start? So much bollocks, so little time.
You've thrown so much shit on the wall there, and in following posts that it would take ages to clean it all off. No doubt intentional. I'll try. A little bit at a time.
Where I completely agree with you. Your first point. Evergreen University 2017. Absolutely pathetic and wrong, and yes racist, a classic example of identity politics at it worst, though I'm sure the wronged white kids have got over not going to university for one whole day of PC bullshit awareness.
BTW why do you claim I see nothing wrong with it? Because building strawmen is Swanjackals favourite hobby and he just can't stop doing it. Where do you live? I'm thinking of opening a straw shop. A big one.
Where I strongly disagree with you. You compare one day of complete PC bollocks to the experiences that generations of young black people endured under segregationist Jim Crow laws for decades. As if they are in any way comparable. I'd biff you on the head with my internet placard if I could for such a pathetic comparison.
Your second point. I'm part of the engine driving white kids to choose white identity. It's so f*cking stupid I don't know what to say. I'm socially liberal, I'm not bonkers PC like the example above. I think racism and homophobia and misogyny are wrong, that's about it. Driving kids into white identity? No. I think whinging alt right, anti PC types like you are trying your best to do that by trying to create a sense of victimhood when they're actually the luckiest, most priveleged race in Britain and America. Most white kids don't give a f*ck about this bullshit in either country. Some f*cked up ones get into this type of rubbish. Helped by people like you who constantly tell them that they're the "real" victim.
Your third point. Once again a mish mash of nonsense. It wasn't about identity politics, it was about two different economic and political systems, one of which was internationalist, the other a load of ethno bollocks that was intent on murdering every Jew they could get their hands on. Which they eventually did.
Yes there were thugs on both sides. The working classes tended to favour the left, the middle and upper classes the right. Because the middle classes didn't want what happened in Russia in 1917 to happen in Germany. They didn't want to lose their businesses and power and money. So they favoured the nazis, thinking they could control them.
What the f*ck has that got to do with what happened last Friday and Saturday?
What happened last weekend was the extreme right decided to put on a show of force, emboldened by a moronic President who knows pissing them off would deplete his already dwindling support. They picked their battleground under the pretence of worrying about a statue and they travelled there from all over America.
Locals who don't want their type invading their city protested against them and the inevitable violence ensued. Yes some Antifa were there. A loosely organised group who oppose the extreme right. But don't compare the two.
I don't condone any violence I've seen on the videos you love posting. Attacking Trump supporters at rallies is wrong. BTW Trump was encouraging his supporters to attack people inside those rallies as his supporters cheered and clapped as they were attacked. Shutting down free speech at Universities is wrong. Lots of the examples you have are utterly wrong. And I condemn it.
But do not compare that to the KKK or Nazis. They are very explicit about what they want. A white America, and they are prepared to murder minorities and liberals to accomplish it, and one of them succeeded.
People who opose them are not the same as them. Even Antifa.
There's an article on the BBC website, about a synagogue in Charlottesville. All day they had a group of uniformed men with assault rifles staring at them as they worshipped. As the right came past they chanted Sieg Heil and other anti Jewish filth. At the same time, online, others of the same type urged them to burn the synagogue down. The Jewish people, terrified, exited through the back door.
Do you support that kind of free speech? Do you think the people opposing these scum are just the same?
Apparently you do.
Evergreen - Appreciate your stance, Hump, It's the same as mine. I never said you did agree with the events...I said 'if' you did. You say you don't, fine, but the question applies to anyone reading. Hump...I have a feeling you will get beaten up by your own strawmen...best not to build them, I'd say.
Comparing Evergreen with the democratic Jim Crow laws - Nope. Not doing that, I'm saying all racism must be called out and best to nip this in the bud before it grows into a bigger problem.
Accusing you of being a cock...sorry cog in the machine - Once again Hump, 'if' you agree with Evergreen...'if', Hump, 'if'. I'm not Alt-right by the way and I don't believe white people are oppressed...I think I said in this thread.
Not about Identity politics - Course it was. One international ideology focused on class identity. One national Ideology focused on ethnic identity. And you agree with the point of my "mish mash of nonsense"? Germany choose which Violent thugs they feared more and so gave a pass to the other. Then couldn't control them. What it has to do with last weekend? FFS. Stop giving one side a pass because you think they are not as bad. Learn from history Hump.
Trump - So when Trump denounces both sides...he is emboldening one side? This just shows how the left have become use to special treatment, "If you treat us equally, then that is unfair on me" BTW, Hump, since most of the mainstream media is left wing, like Hollywood, like the music industry, like the comedians who entertain you on game shows in the evening, like Google and the companies who fact check them, like facebook, like twitter...have you ever wondered why you are left wing.
You say about threatening people with guns. Here's another video of Antifa, from 5 months ago, with a display of force out in public. Did your left wing propaganda machine show you this?
Now you go onto to show why you think Antifa is not as bad. Ok, that's your opinion. Now the time has come to denounce all violence without saying "but those guys are worse". So please, Hump, get on the bus (you don't have to sit at the back) and repeat the words I asked the lefties to say.
BTW, H, the videos I posted were not beatings at trump rallies, they were beatings of people who went to listen to a talk. But as for Trump saying he will pay the bills of his supporters if they get arrested (I forget the exact quote), once again I denounce it. This was a f*cking stupid and dangerous statement to put out, by a man in a position of power. I agree with you. By all means present me with other statements of his and if I disagree with them, I will say. I am no Trump fan boy.
Car hits crowd of anti-fascist protesters amid white-supremacist violence on 18:27 - Aug 18 by Headmaster
After reading some of the inane comments on here, I actually regret creating this thread.
I know. I can't believe some people will not denounce the violence on both sides without adding a 'but...'
Once again I would like to say... The White Supremacist involved in violence...I denounce. The Antifa members involved in violence...I denounce. Donald J Trump was also correct to denounce the violence on both sides.
Good luck, Mr Cooper
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Car hits crowd of anti-fascist protesters amid white-supremacist violence on 18:46 - Aug 18 with 1539 views
Car hits crowd of anti-fascist protesters amid white-supremacist violence on 18:42 - Aug 18 by Darran
He didn't and probably won't win it because all his posts are basically the same,if you're not a member of the far left it's ridicule all the way.
Do you know Mr P. Sometimes I wonder what it takes to be honoured with a Planet Swans lifetime achievement award...and then you turn up to show the way.
great post.
Good luck, Mr Cooper
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Car hits crowd of anti-fascist protesters amid white-supremacist violence on 18:51 - Aug 18 with 1528 views
Car hits crowd of anti-fascist protesters amid white-supremacist violence on 18:48 - Aug 18 by Mo_Wives
Do you know Mr P. Sometimes I wonder what it takes to be honoured with a Planet Swans lifetime achievement award...and then you turn up to show the way.
great post.
Well it's not rocket science my friend,just about everyone of his posts are jumping in to ridicule someone because he doesn't agree with their views.
The first ever recipient of a Planet Swans Lifetime Achievement Award.
Swanjackal? Nah, surely not. The stances are much the same but Mo is far more long winded and chucks a load of straw men around. Can't remember Swanjackal ever doing that. Possible I suppose. I've never really understood why people reinvent themselves with new names, peddle the same old arguments and then pretend that they weren't who they were previously. It's odd.
Car hits crowd of anti-fascist protesters amid white-supremacist violence on 18:42 - Aug 18 by Darran
He didn't and probably won't win it because all his posts are basically the same,if you're not a member of the far left it's ridicule all the way.
Oh shush, he could debate with you whilst he sleeps ffs.
If the silly, racist, bigoted, misogynous halfwits on here on here didn't keep bringing their same views up, then 'Ol Hump wouldn't have to keep sending them to bed like naughty little boys.
I want a mate like Flashberryjacks, who wears a Barnsley jersey with "Swans are my second team" on the back.
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