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Gove is an untrustworthy slime ball who has proved today that he is quite happy to stab his colleague in the back for his own gain. His changes as education minister have had a hugely negative impact on the curriculum and schools are struggling due to some of his policies. I would have anyone before him, even Stephen Crabb who says the homosexuality can be cured!
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Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 21:48 - Jun 30 with 5575 views
Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 21:42 - Jun 30 by dalenumber2
Gove is an untrustworthy slime ball who has proved today that he is quite happy to stab his colleague in the back for his own gain. His changes as education minister have had a hugely negative impact on the curriculum and schools are struggling due to some of his policies. I would have anyone before him, even Stephen Crabb who says the homosexuality can be cured!
Never thought I'd say it but it's Teresa May. She's hard as nails, ruthless and won't suffer fools, I think she'll be a very good leader.
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Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 22:27 - Jun 30 with 5511 views
Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 22:27 - Jun 30 by R17ALE
Agree. Was with a female customer today whilst it was on the telly, and she said that the only way she'd vote Tory if it was a vote for a female MP.
She might be the only woman in the country to think that way, but I suspect not.
Personally I like her and she's better looking (just) than Widdecombe! (Sorry TS!)
Actually, and here's a poll to be had, who is the female politician you'd like to give one the most?
I'm struggling to name one. Cherie Blair* with Tony watching wringing his hands in wrath gets my vote!
* with special tablets obviously.
Luciana Berger....and I always had a soft spot for Maggie Thatcher, if she told you to do the washing up you would just do it,if you know what I mean. A strong woman, I suspect Widdecombe could be a bit like that also.
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Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 05:33 - Jul 1 with 5303 views
Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 21:21 - Jun 30 by 1907
Theresa May no question. Gove will never recover public opinion after his stunt today. Nobody will trust him nor will they like him.
Gove has never had public opinion. He's a very clever bloke but he has not likeability whatsoever. He's had a habit of alienating people everywhere he goes. You need to have some form of charisma about you if people are going to vote for you in numbers. There's part of me would like him as Tory leader as I don't see him ever winning an election.
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Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 05:53 - Jul 1 with 5295 views
Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 05:33 - Jul 1 by ColDale
Gove has never had public opinion. He's a very clever bloke but he has not likeability whatsoever. He's had a habit of alienating people everywhere he goes. You need to have some form of charisma about you if people are going to vote for you in numbers. There's part of me would like him as Tory leader as I don't see him ever winning an election.
No charisma, that just about sums him up.
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Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 08:45 - Jul 1 with 5197 views
Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 05:33 - Jul 1 by ColDale
Gove has never had public opinion. He's a very clever bloke but he has not likeability whatsoever. He's had a habit of alienating people everywhere he goes. You need to have some form of charisma about you if people are going to vote for you in numbers. There's part of me would like him as Tory leader as I don't see him ever winning an election.
Spot on.
Gove came out of his battle with the teachers very badly and really doesn't seem to have many friends in the party. He's said many times that he is not the man for the top job which surprisingly enough puts me off having him as PM.
I'm by no means a Tory but I obviously like to see the lesser of the evils. Crabb is simply an absurd excuse for a human being and Fox will never be forgiven for the bring your mate to work scandal.
Even though everybody is looking at May gor the next Tory Leader im in the Gove camp.. Gove was fully expecting Boris to go for it and Gove would be happy with a senior brexit role.. Now that boris lit the brexit touch paper and didnt have the conviction to follow it through that meant Gove had to step forward...
I heard an interview with gove yesterday and even though im not a tory supporter i would back gove.......
As for crabb less sId the better after his deluded comment.....
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My all time favourite Dale player Mr Lyndon Symmonds
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Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 09:35 - Jul 1 with 5151 views
Electing Gove would be political suicide for the Tories.
Hated by vast swaithes for his time in Edukashun, his dermed treachery of Boris will have alienated millions more.
I expect Boris to be as charmingly brutal back to him on political comedy shows very soon.
Bozza was doomed the moment TV started putting his dad on air, the old saying of to know a girls future look at the mother applied here too. There but for the grace of Gove go us.
25 years and it will all come out, or via Wikileaks. Fascinating stuff.
Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 21:21 - Jun 30 by 1907
Theresa May no question. Gove will never recover public opinion after his stunt today. Nobody will trust him nor will they like him.
I wouldn't trust any of them, give is a backstabbing reptile who doesn't have an exit plan. May is corrupt, privatising everything to the benefit of her husbands g4s. Crab thinks gays can be cured.... Gigs and Corbyn gets hammered by the media!!!. Gove has been anointed by dacre and Murdoch, so will get a lot of support. The unelected newspaper proprietors have more power than the eu. Nowt said about that.
Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 09:44 - Jul 1 by rochdaleriddler
I wouldn't trust any of them, give is a backstabbing reptile who doesn't have an exit plan. May is corrupt, privatising everything to the benefit of her husbands g4s. Crab thinks gays can be cured.... Gigs and Corbyn gets hammered by the media!!!. Gove has been anointed by dacre and Murdoch, so will get a lot of support. The unelected newspaper proprietors have more power than the eu. Nowt said about that.
Good point about the newspaper barons. That leaked email from Gove's missus should be enough to see him fail
Looks like many in his party are ganging up against him now, too
How many political careers, i wonder, will be toast after all this?
Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 08:45 - Jul 1 by TomRAFC
Spot on.
Gove came out of his battle with the teachers very badly and really doesn't seem to have many friends in the party. He's said many times that he is not the man for the top job which surprisingly enough puts me off having him as PM.
I'm by no means a Tory but I obviously like to see the lesser of the evils. Crabb is simply an absurd excuse for a human being and Fox will never be forgiven for the bring your mate to work scandal.
I guess May it is.
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Don't understand all this May as the least worst option rhetoric, she is as far right, if not further to the right than BoJo.
Well done HK Dale - some factual policy evidence rather than personality faff (sic Leighanne). Course that evidence might make May the best option if you share her right-wing views. What's interesting is that both Tory & Labour are re-running fights for the soul of their parties which have been around since their inception. For Labour it's obviously socialism v labourism. For the Tories, I understand Gove is in the long tradition of the Protectionist wing of the Party (which opposes Free Trade ) but is a social liberal. Leadsome is on course to be May's right-hand woman & gives her the 'acceptable' Brexiteer face, Fox is UKIP at Prayer & Crabb is the new breed of working class xenophobic Tory. Problem is the other wing of the Tories - the one nation grouping, which arguably included Cameron, now have no runners. Churchill and Macmillan will be turning in their graves. Again why we need new Parties & PR.
Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 14:22 - Jul 1 by tony_roch975
Well done HK Dale - some factual policy evidence rather than personality faff (sic Leighanne). Course that evidence might make May the best option if you share her right-wing views. What's interesting is that both Tory & Labour are re-running fights for the soul of their parties which have been around since their inception. For Labour it's obviously socialism v labourism. For the Tories, I understand Gove is in the long tradition of the Protectionist wing of the Party (which opposes Free Trade ) but is a social liberal. Leadsome is on course to be May's right-hand woman & gives her the 'acceptable' Brexiteer face, Fox is UKIP at Prayer & Crabb is the new breed of working class xenophobic Tory. Problem is the other wing of the Tories - the one nation grouping, which arguably included Cameron, now have no runners. Churchill and Macmillan will be turning in their graves. Again why we need new Parties & PR.
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Must admit t_r, I share your enthusiasm for a shake up of the current order. It'll be nothing that hasn't happened before, at different times when circumstances cause a remodelling of political allegiances.
If we'd voted to Remain, there might've been a few ructions but nothing on this scale.
I also share your preference for policies over personalities, although the simple fact is that it usually takes personality to win people over, a key element of our democratic system. Not so sure about PR - it tends to result in watered-down politics rather than the full-blooded and clear choices required in successful government.
Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 15:12 - Jul 1 by D_Alien
Must admit t_r, I share your enthusiasm for a shake up of the current order. It'll be nothing that hasn't happened before, at different times when circumstances cause a remodelling of political allegiances.
If we'd voted to Remain, there might've been a few ructions but nothing on this scale.
I also share your preference for policies over personalities, although the simple fact is that it usually takes personality to win people over, a key element of our democratic system. Not so sure about PR - it tends to result in watered-down politics rather than the full-blooded and clear choices required in successful government.
You're right DA, Leave's victory is the impetus for radical change and leadership does involve 'personality'whether on the Churchill or the Ghandi end of the spectrum. You fairly cite the usual critique of PR - but surely the current system delivers nothing but watered down Capitalism or watered down Socialism and the coalition government of 1940 - 45 didn't do a bad job. Above all the FPTP system ensures the real full-blooded and clear choices never get heard.
Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 15:51 - Jul 1 by tony_roch975
You're right DA, Leave's victory is the impetus for radical change and leadership does involve 'personality'whether on the Churchill or the Ghandi end of the spectrum. You fairly cite the usual critique of PR - but surely the current system delivers nothing but watered down Capitalism or watered down Socialism and the coalition government of 1940 - 45 didn't do a bad job. Above all the FPTP system ensures the real full-blooded and clear choices never get heard.
The wartime coalition wasn't really a "political" coalition though.We've had a much more recent example: 2010-15, and I guess whether you think it did a good or bad job depends on your politics! My own view is it saw us through the immediate aftermath of the financial crash, leaving us in a position where the electorate can make a radical democratic choice (Leave) without ruining the economy (it won't).
Noises off suggest our next period of government will abandon the "austerity" (i.e. deficit clearance) policy in favour of stimulus via much-needed infrastructure projects.
One of the strengths of our system is that full-blooded voices can be heard. I don't think Tony Benn or Maggie Thatcher would've regarded themselves as anything other than full-blooded, and both had huge influence in government. A move to PR would, imo, be an even bigger political event than Brexit, and much riskier!
Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 16:07 - Jul 1 by D_Alien
The wartime coalition wasn't really a "political" coalition though.We've had a much more recent example: 2010-15, and I guess whether you think it did a good or bad job depends on your politics! My own view is it saw us through the immediate aftermath of the financial crash, leaving us in a position where the electorate can make a radical democratic choice (Leave) without ruining the economy (it won't).
Noises off suggest our next period of government will abandon the "austerity" (i.e. deficit clearance) policy in favour of stimulus via much-needed infrastructure projects.
One of the strengths of our system is that full-blooded voices can be heard. I don't think Tony Benn or Maggie Thatcher would've regarded themselves as anything other than full-blooded, and both had huge influence in government. A move to PR would, imo, be an even bigger political event than Brexit, and much riskier!
indeed - risky, radical and real democracy. Every vote will count - just like the Referendum. We'll need to be courageous DA, let's go for it.
Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 16:20 - Jul 1 by tony_roch975
indeed - risky, radical and real democracy. Every vote will count - just like the Referendum. We'll need to be courageous DA, let's go for it.
Ha! All that's needed is a party - whilst in government - that's divided and/or desperate enough to put the choice to the electorate (I think 49th made the same point).
The thing is - there are a number of variations on PR (STV, etc.) and getting the different options rationalised to give the electorate a meaningful choice would, imo, be nigh on impossible.
If, for instance, you want PR to deliver a full range of democratic voices, the simplest format - STV - doesn't really do that. The more purely democratic the format becomes, the more complicated the system. They'd have to teach it in schools, like sex education, and hope for better results!
Preferred next Tory Leader / PM on 16:37 - Jul 1 by D_Alien
Ha! All that's needed is a party - whilst in government - that's divided and/or desperate enough to put the choice to the electorate (I think 49th made the same point).
The thing is - there are a number of variations on PR (STV, etc.) and getting the different options rationalised to give the electorate a meaningful choice would, imo, be nigh on impossible.
If, for instance, you want PR to deliver a full range of democratic voices, the simplest format - STV - doesn't really do that. The more purely democratic the format becomes, the more complicated the system. They'd have to teach it in schools, like sex education, and hope for better results!
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Let's not give up before we've started; Electoral Commission say 'Under STV Parliament is more likely to be both reflective of a nation's views and more responsive to them' - Amen to that! It's up to us - do we let 'them' keep on ignoring us or do we stand up for democracy.
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