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Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly 18:04 - May 18 with 116319 views

krunchykarrot

The time has come, second rate at best.

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:06 - Jun 19 with 3117 views

Kilkennyjack

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 17:13 - Jun 19 by krunchykarrot
Completely agree with you. Leave the deluded defend our useless Welsh Parliament, standards are plummeting across all of our public services. The one question the Nationalists never answer is how they will raise the money to become a functioning democracy.

We would not need to contribute to ...

Crossrail
HS2
Union jack aeroplane
Royal yacht (new)
Heathrow expansion
Trident replacement
Illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
Brexidiot trade deals
Refurb of HoP, HoL, and Buck Palace
Have European style military
Not pay for Westmonster govt

Almost all small European nations are very successful.

We have renewable natural resources in abundance.

The other side of fear lies freedom. ðŸ‘

Beware of the Risen People

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:08 - Jun 19 with 3110 views

Kilkennyjack

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 16:32 - Jun 19 by Highjack

I think this whole pandemic has been good for the welsh government. It’s the first time probably since it’s inception that it’s been front and centre. It’s always been content to just operate in the background, not really stick their head above the parapet. More people are now aware that they exist, more aware of who some of the players are and also the fact that it is the welsh government and not Westminster that is in charge of setting rules on certain issues.

There is a lot of truth in that post.

Beware of the Risen People

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:14 - Jun 19 with 3097 views

Highjack

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:08 - Jun 19 by Kilkennyjack
There is a lot of truth in that post.

There’s truth in all my posts.

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Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:18 - Jun 19 with 3090 views

Flashberryjack

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 16:17 - Jun 19 by Ebo
By the mere mention of the word 'Guido' your whole post becomes totally irrelevant.

All lies is it ?

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Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:38 - Jun 19 with 3070 views

krunchykarrot

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:06 - Jun 19 by Kilkennyjack

Again, where will you raise the shortfall.

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:43 - Jun 19 with 3066 views

chad

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 12:03 - Jun 19 by LeonWasGod

Far too simplistic. You can't explain a pattern of infection/deaths by a single demographic characteristic. The impact of the virus depends on a complex interplay of a whole load of factors, of which ethinicity is but one. And it isn't anywhere near important as the response to limit the spread of the disease as shown by countless other countires worldwide who have done much better than the UK irrespective of the ethnicity makeup of their peoples.

If SE Asian heritage was the controlling factor you would have expected that region to be decimiate - but it hasn't been and quite the opposite. Eg Thailand who was the first country to report a case outside China, but responded hard and fast - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/06/look-inside-thailand-prevente

All the countries who got a handle on Covid introduced strict measures to limit the spread of the disease, without exception. It's the standard, proven response to a pandemic. Our slightly longer and stricter lockdown in Wales will have helped, as too turning people around who were travelling to Wales from England. It won't have been as effective as a strict border closure, but was probably the next best thing allowable in our particular political climate.

All UK countries have done badly relatively to many other countries, as we're all closely tied in to the UK as a whole. Within the limitations that we've had to work I think teh WG has done a fairly decent job realtive to Westminster (as have all devolved regions). They've certainly been much more grown up in their approach compared to Westminster.

Given you mention not taking a simplistic view, I was surprised by your comment ...

‘If SE Asian heritage was the controlling factor you would have expected that region to be decimiate - but it hasn't been and quite the opposite. Eg Thailand who was the first country to report a case outside China, but responded hard and fast - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/06/look-inside-thailand-prevente ’

Of course it seems there were cases in Europe long before any cases were generally reported. But the real point being, there are considerable factors that may impact South Asian ethnicity people living in this country, that would not be a factor if they lived in South Asia. For example low vitamin D has been strongly linked with a high incidence of poor outcomes. The protection darker skin provides combined with our weaker skin is potentially a causative effect of this. Different diet may be another. Or a combination of genetic and other factors.

As you point out yourself, it is not simple, so simplistic conclusions should not be drawn.

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:54 - Jun 19 with 3055 views

johnlangy

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:06 - Jun 19 by Kilkennyjack

I wonder how many times it'll have to be explained kk before it finally gets through.

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:56 - Jun 19 with 3053 views

krunchykarrot

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:06 - Jun 19 by Kilkennyjack

Crossrail: We would have to link North and South.
Aeroplane: We would have to provide Dickford with one or we could just put him in a coracle.
Royal Yacht: We haven't any Royalty yet ill give you that one.
Heathrow: Now do you really want to discuss CWL.
Trident: How do you propose we defend ourselves?
Ilegal wars: See above.
Brexit: We will have to negotiate a deal, or are you proposing to rejoin and use Euro as currency.
Refurb of HoP, HoL, and Buck Palace: We will have to maintain and upkeep our buildings.
Have European style military: ?
Not pay for Westminster govt? |Ours are going to work for free are they?

We have renewable natural resources in abundanc: Explain?

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:07 - Jun 19 with 3043 views

pencoedjack

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:56 - Jun 19 by krunchykarrot

Wind & water

Don’t bother wasting time on them mate.

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:08 - Jun 19 with 3043 views

Ebo

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 16:54 - Jun 19 by pencoedjack
I am a very proud Welshman just not deluded enough to believe we are better off being out of the union. The irony of Welsh nationalists spewing their shite on a football teams forum who play in the English system is laughable. GSTQ

The same queen who doesn't give a toss about you and forced a fake prince on us.

Like I said you are welcome to move there, no sane Welshman bends the knee to that woman.

	Thank you, goodnight and bollocks
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Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:09 - Jun 19 with 3042 views

Ebo

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:18 - Jun 19 by Flashberryjack
All lies is it ?

You quoted a known liar and shit spreader in Guido Fawkes. Therefore your whole post is irrelevant.

	Thank you, goodnight and bollocks
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Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:11 - Jun 19 with 3034 views

Flashberryjack

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:09 - Jun 19 by Ebo
You quoted a known liar and shit spreader in Guido Fawkes. Therefore your whole post is irrelevant.

So it is all lies.

	Hello
Poll:	Should the Senedd be Abolished

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:12 - Jun 19 with 3032 views

Ebo

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:07 - Jun 19 by pencoedjack
Wind & water Don’t bother wasting time on them mate.

Day by day, you unionist types are shrinking. It is good to see.

The Union is broken, it cannot be repaired, it is time to leave.

	Thank you, goodnight and bollocks
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Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:14 - Jun 19 with 3026 views

Kilkennyjack

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:54 - Jun 19 by johnlangy
I wonder how many times it'll have to be explained kk before it finally gets through.

Fed Royalty ‘this and that’ bollox, and British exceptionalism for decades.

‘We’ ....have the best football
The best state broadcaster (yes really)
The best armed forces
The best police force
The best sense of humour
The best fighting spirit
The best global relationships
The best press
The best Covid app
The best schools
The best universities
The best health care
The best trading country

Its fairly unlikely for it all to be true, isn’t it ?

Beware of the Risen People

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:17 - Jun 19 with 3022 views

Kilkennyjack

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:12 - Jun 19 by Ebo
Day by day, you unionist types are shrinking. It is good to see. The Union is broken, it cannot be repaired, it is time to leave.

After a free Scotland and a united Ireland, then Indy Wales is nailed on.

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Beware of the Risen People

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 21:49 - Jun 19 with 2992 views

Catullus

Ah yes Wales, a socialist utopia with a hard border between us and our biggest trading partner. A country that the indy nats/republicans hope will join the EU but can't accept that most of us voted to leave and rejoining could take a very long time.

Indy support has risen sharply but there is still more support for abolishing devolution.

I'll give you some things, we wouldn't have to pay for some stuff but instead we'd need to find vastly more money to build the infrastructre we need to have a chance at success.

True we wouldn't need an armed forces, or Trident (but I'm for scrapping that anyway) and we wouldn't be paying for Royalty and no more House of Lords to moan about either but I wonder what our new independent National Government would want to put into place, what extra political machinery they'd plan on, maybe just go ahead with the current idea of increasing the AM's?
Maybe we are in the frying pan but it's still safer than the fire.

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Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 22:17 - Jun 19 with 2969 views

BillyChong

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 18:56 - Jun 19 by krunchykarrot

Re: Trident/defence - sure we’d have the sense to keep our beak out of other peoples business and step away from the yanks when it comes to foreign affairs

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 22:19 - Jun 19 with 2964 views

Kerouac

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 19:17 - Jun 19 by Kilkennyjack
After a free Scotland and a united Ireland, then Indy Wales is nailed on. In Comrade Nicola and Prof Drakers we trust. ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿

Do you know what the difference is between how much money Wales generates in taxes and how much public money gets spent in Wales?

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Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 22:57 - Jun 19 with 2943 views

Scotia

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 22:19 - Jun 19 by Kerouac
Do you know what the difference is between how much money Wales generates in taxes and how much public money gets spent in Wales?

I'm pretty certain that Wales Gdp per capita puts us at a similar level to Belarus. Why on earth would anyone want to put us at that level when we are currently part of one of the biggest economies in the world?

We have absolutely no resources to make up the short fall that we'd lose by gaining independence from the rest of the uk.

Can someone tell me a single reason how we'd benefit from independence?

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 23:16 - Jun 19 with 2933 views

Kerouac

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 22:57 - Jun 19 by Scotia

We generate approx. £3billion in tax revenue...and we have approx.£17billion of public money spent here.

Independence would be a disaster for this country.

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Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 23:42 - Jun 19 with 2922 views

NeathJack

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 23:16 - Jun 19 by Kerouac
We generate approx. £3billion in tax revenue...and we have approx.£17billion of public money spent here. Independence would be a disaster for this country.

Ah, the old "your set up is awful in it's current format so best you don't change it" argument.

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 06:34 - Jun 20 with 2880 views

Kilkennyjack

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 23:16 - Jun 19 by Kerouac
We generate approx. £3billion in tax revenue...and we have approx.£17billion of public money spent here. Independence would be a disaster for this country.

Its the current uk set up that has created this situation.
You do understand that dont you ?

Making Wales more prosperous is a key part of Indy Wales.
Thank you for signing up to Indy Wales.

As john has proven many times, your figures are total bollox though.
Businesses such as Tesco operate successfully in Wales but their HQ is in England hence their tax paid does not reflect the profits made from them doing business here in Wales.
Many companies like this.

UK wealth is not shared with Wales.
Thats why the EU awarded Wales the structural funding year after year.

The profits from welsh coal should have ensured our future prosperity.
Go extract the arab oil and take the profits elsewhere and see what happens.
Our communities have been left to rot.

Enough.

Beware of the Risen People

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 09:28 - Jun 20 with 2851 views

johnlangy

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 23:16 - Jun 19 by Kerouac
We generate approx. £3billion in tax revenue...and we have approx.£17billion of public money spent here. Independence would be a disaster for this country.

Could you explain please where you get those numbers from Kerouac ?

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 09:39 - Jun 20 with 2847 views

Dr_Winston

Nearly 400,000 people in Wales work in the public sector out of a total workforce of about 1.5m. How many of those would lose their jobs post independence? As you wouldn't need 5000 people to administer Welsh drivers 90% of DVLA staff would be looking for something else to do for a start.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 10:28 - Jun 20 with 2823 views

johnlangy

Scrap the ineffective Senedd-Welsh Assembly on 09:39 - Jun 20 by Dr_Winston
Nearly 400,000 people in Wales work in the public sector out of a total workforce of about 1.5m. How many of those would lose their jobs post independence? As you wouldn't need 5000 people to administer Welsh drivers 90% of DVLA staff would be looking for something else to do for a start.

I'll take the 400,000 figure at face value because I haven't checked.

As regards DVLA. The actual number these days is about 3000 as far as i'm aware. But the logic remains. We wouldn't need 3000 people in DVLA to do the work needed just for Welsh drivers. We'd need about 5% being simplistic about it. That's 150 out of 3000.

On the other hand there are millions of Civil Servants based in England, mostly London and the South East, who do work for the whole of the UK (similar to DVLA). And about 5% of them do work that applies to Wales.

So if 95% of DVLA jobs were moved to England then 5% of jobs based in all those different departments in England would move to Wales. Simple logistics would tell you that that couldn't be done from one day to the next.

What would happen in reality, i'd imagine, is that from day one the status quo would apply. The Governments would come to an agreement that the transition would happen over time as departments are reorganised.

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