| A bit of perspective please! 07:34 - Jan 12 with 12246 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Yet again, we lose a game, and some have gone completely overboard in their reaction.
We have lost to a pretty crap PL team, but we are a pretty crap mid table Championship team which is not very good at retaining the ball.
I had no issue with that starting lineup. We all knew Walsh would start and that Morgan, Dunne and Smyth all desperately needed a break.
Should Ashby have been hooked at HT? Probably, but he wasn't.
What is the difference in the teams? For me, keeping the ball. We've proven games in the Championship can be won with 35% possession, but against PL, there is no chance. We have the ball, they can't score, it's not rocket science, but we desperately need a central midfielder who can control a game.
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:50 - Jan 12 with 1840 views | vanrrrr |
| A bit of perspective please! on 18:03 - Jan 12 by ManinBlack |
First game drawn in 4th round. Man Utd v Leicester... |
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| A bit of perspective please! on 19:12 - Jan 12 with 1739 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| A bit of perspective please! on 18:48 - Jan 12 by daveB |
Smyth came on so the cut eye can't have been that bad.
Bored of saying it as much as people probably are of hearing it but If that was a league game yesterday not a chance we put that team out and thats not right and sends out the message this doesn't matter which was clearly seen in the effort of some of the players. Freys non attempt to get the ball that lead to the 6th goal summed it all up |
That sums up my humble opinion as well.
As I said during the week if we weren't going to go for it this year we may as well put up a sign outside HQ saying "Welcome to QPR: Absolutely No Interest in Winning Cup Competitions".
I didn't post much during the week, and didn't post in the last twenty-four hours, bar a fine chat with Mart_Goblin during the match, as I can't seem to change my mind on this issue, and I suspect with all due respect that most others won't either, and I'm just not willing to argue with friends about it.
Edit - typo! [Post edited 12 Jan 19:14]
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 19:51 - Jan 12 with 1598 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:50 - Jan 12 by vanrrrr |
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Couldn't have put it better myself. [Post edited 12 Jan 19:51]
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| A bit of perspective please! on 19:52 - Jan 12 with 1581 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| A bit of perspective please! on 18:03 - Jan 12 by ManinBlack |
First game drawn in 4th round. Man Utd v Leicester... |
And Plymouth are rewarded for their win at Brentford with a home tie against Liverpool. [Post edited 12 Jan 19:53]
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| A bit of perspective please! on 20:06 - Jan 12 with 1527 views | Benny_the_Ball |
Whilst my heart was frustrated by yesterday's line up, my head understands the dilemma facing Marti. On the one hand, the weekend was freed up for FA Cup ties so Marti couldn't point to fixture congestion. The players had 5 days rest following the Luton game and will have a week to recover for Plymouth. On the other hand, the squad is thin so he can't risk any more injuries to key players. Had any first teamers been injured in yesterday's game, Marti would've been criticised for selecting them.
What it has done is put pressure on the next match. Should QPR win at Plymouth, Marti will feel justified for his team selection at Leicester. Lose at Plymouth, and the fans will feel justifiably angry at the FA Cup surrender. Who'd be a manager! | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 21:05 - Jan 12 with 1386 views | stainrods_elbow |
He wouldn't have been criticised by me - and nor, I suspect any number of others. I'd have thought, 'we gave it a real go, that's just bad luck'. Any player can get injured at any time. if and when he does, unless Marti is grossly overrding medical advice in playing him, how would that ever be the manager's fault? [Post edited 13 Jan 2:10]
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| A bit of perspective please! on 21:05 - Jan 12 with 1385 views | stainrods_elbow |
Also, a plea for 'perspective' always makes me smile - as if 'perspective' were anything objective. Perspective is also someone's perspective, i.e. a function of an agenda. I'm not sure that's philosophically controversial, is it? [Post edited 12 Jan 21:08]
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| A bit of perspective please! on 23:35 - Jan 12 with 1287 views | hoops_legend |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:41 - Jan 12 by ozexile |
It's amazing how other championship teams manage it. Do you think any of the Coventry players who played in that amazing semi final last year against Man utd look back now wish they'd been rested? Memories that will last a lifetime in their career. Do the fans look back and say "You know what, the cup run really wasn't worth it, we should have rested players and got knocked out earlier".
I understand sport science, I understand everything you've listed.
But....... We've sacked cups off for season after season now and we've not progressed as a club. We've stood still. Regressed even.
One worthwhile player sale in years. What if we did progress and Kolli had a stormer in the next round against Liverpool? How much is he worth then?
What if we get to the quarter final and we get a whole new generation of fans onboard like what happened to me as a kid in 82?
I come on here year after year at this time and say the same thing again and again.
How about we at least try. |
I thought we played well for a patch of 20 mins and that in itself fills me with confidence for the season
The defensive calamities were bad though |  |
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| A bit of perspective please! on 23:40 - Jan 12 with 1280 views | connell10 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 19:52 - Jan 12 by Benny_the_Ball |
And Plymouth are rewarded for their win at Brentford with a home tie against Liverpool. [Post edited 12 Jan 19:53]
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There you go , a nice little earner for them. |  |
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| A bit of perspective please! on 07:42 - Jan 13 with 1064 views | BushRanger82 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:17 - Jan 12 by hubble |
What pisses me off is people telling other people how they should feel. I am personally fking fuming at that abject performance that was entirely due to Marti's team selection. If other people don't give a shit, fair enough, but don't tell those of us who are angry that we shouldn't be.
For me, I want my team to win every game, and I believe we should treat the world's oldest and greatest cup competition with the respect it deserves. The relatively recent trend of playing weakened sides in the FA Cup is just another nail in football's coffin as far as I'm concerned. It's the equivalent of Wilde's famous phrase: knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. |
Couldn't agree more.
It all boils down to a lack of pride. Both by the club, and worse still, even some fans. |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 07:50 - Jan 13 with 1044 views | BushRanger82 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:06 - Jan 12 by stevec |
Fair comment. And we were only allowed one sub in those days!
The game is a whole lot faster these days and I’m struggling to remember the last time a second division club made it to the FAC final. |
That's because every second tier team does what we do, field weakened teams against whoever we get in the cups.
Sheffield United are a good case in point, large, solid, fan base, at home to Cardiff in the 3rd round, bowed out tamely losing 0-1, and more tellingly, only 6,000 at the game.
That isn't good for football, and it isn't good for the FA Cup competition. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 08:06 - Jan 13 with 997 views | captainmycaptian |
| A bit of perspective please! on 16:00 - Jan 12 by kensalriser |
Comparison against one other random game is meaningless.
Spurs played a weakened side too. And Tamworth lost 0-3. |
Nonsense, Tamworth, Doncaster showed how it should be done and what it means to them and their fans. Your attitude of its a meaningless comparison is wrong. You think the fans of Tamworth, Doncaster ect walked away feeling proud of their team ?? Tamworth should have ⁶ won. They were playing against Premier players. You miss the whole point of the FA cup, its lure, it attraction. The FA cup is what is right with football today the attitude of some of the clubs and players is what is wrong. As one if the 4500 that went up there to play spot the ball in the fog, I expected more and we deserved better. [Post edited 13 Jan 11:16]
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| A bit of perspective please! on 09:00 - Jan 13 with 913 views | daveB |
| A bit of perspective please! on 20:06 - Jan 12 by Benny_the_Ball |
Whilst my heart was frustrated by yesterday's line up, my head understands the dilemma facing Marti. On the one hand, the weekend was freed up for FA Cup ties so Marti couldn't point to fixture congestion. The players had 5 days rest following the Luton game and will have a week to recover for Plymouth. On the other hand, the squad is thin so he can't risk any more injuries to key players. Had any first teamers been injured in yesterday's game, Marti would've been criticised for selecting them.
What it has done is put pressure on the next match. Should QPR win at Plymouth, Marti will feel justified for his team selection at Leicester. Lose at Plymouth, and the fans will feel justifiably angry at the FA Cup surrender. Who'd be a manager! |
I'd argue brining the key players on a 5-2 down had just as high a risk of injury as starting them at 0-0 or on at half time
Win or lose next weekend I'm thoroughly deflated about what we did at the weekend winning a run of the mill Championship game next week against a team bottom of the league won't make up for it |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:01 - Jan 13 with 912 views | GroveR |
| A bit of perspective please! on 07:42 - Jan 13 by BushRanger82 |
Couldn't agree more.
It all boils down to a lack of pride. Both by the club, and worse still, even some fans. |
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| A bit of perspective please! on 09:41 - Jan 13 with 816 views | switchingcode |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:54 - Jan 12 by daveB |
This sums it up perfectly for me, I get resting people in the league cup in a 3 game week but when we've had almost a full week since the last game and a full week until the next one there is no excuse
We have a 3 game league week coming up and not a chance we are resting Dunne, Smyth, Morgan and Nardi for those ones
I was so pissed off with Marti yesterday and after getting away with it first half still in the game he sat on his hands rather than make changes and make it a difficult game for Leicester.
Yes Leicester probably beat us anyway but the bare minimum we should expect is that in every game we play as strong a team as possible and try and win them whether it is cup game, league game or pre season
A lot of good will used up yesterday |
This thread mirrors our forum relating to the clubs taking this competition serious.Brentford made around 8 changes from the side that had started the previous week.I think it also shows arrogance towards the other side and gives them a bit of edge to put one over on you and that’s what Plymouth did and fair play they deserved it.
The excuse that we have 2 games coming up this week City and Liverpool at home which we could very well lose is hardly going to define our season.The top and tale is we have disrespected this great competition and sadly this will continue | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:41 - Jan 13 with 815 views | actonman |
Still p!ssed off with the result and how the game went but other than not making subs at half time , can’t see a lot wrong with the team selection from the start .
Maybe going 4-2 down early in the second half forced marti to sack it off a bit , who knows ?
Would have had coleback on from the start myself and although not like for like position we had to start madsen as he should be our ball winning , ball playing marquee signing so need to give him a game ,unfortunately the bloke is a fcuking 2 bob waste of boot polish and I genuinely think we would be better playing with 10 men
Bit of a perfect storm of recent cup history and poor defending being punished so clinically along with 4500 of us not being able to see a fking thing and freezing cold has us all a bit narky |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:55 - Jan 13 with 781 views | Northernr |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:41 - Jan 13 by switchingcode |
This thread mirrors our forum relating to the clubs taking this competition serious.Brentford made around 8 changes from the side that had started the previous week.I think it also shows arrogance towards the other side and gives them a bit of edge to put one over on you and that’s what Plymouth did and fair play they deserved it.
The excuse that we have 2 games coming up this week City and Liverpool at home which we could very well lose is hardly going to define our season.The top and tale is we have disrespected this great competition and sadly this will continue |
I mean Brentford have even less excuse. 11th in the league, miles away from problems or Europe, and you've got a team capable of actually winning the thing - a first ever major domestic trophy. And you do that with it? I'd be fuming. |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:56 - Jan 13 with 777 views | daveB |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:41 - Jan 13 by switchingcode |
This thread mirrors our forum relating to the clubs taking this competition serious.Brentford made around 8 changes from the side that had started the previous week.I think it also shows arrogance towards the other side and gives them a bit of edge to put one over on you and that’s what Plymouth did and fair play they deserved it.
The excuse that we have 2 games coming up this week City and Liverpool at home which we could very well lose is hardly going to define our season.The top and tale is we have disrespected this great competition and sadly this will continue |
Brentford resting players is even more ridiculous as you had a genuine chance of going quite far in that but tossed it away
All clubs do it but all clubs and fans seem to have now been programmed to think the league is more important even when you are in a position that you are not going up and probably not going down. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:03 - Jan 13 with 758 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:41 - Jan 13 by switchingcode |
This thread mirrors our forum relating to the clubs taking this competition serious.Brentford made around 8 changes from the side that had started the previous week.I think it also shows arrogance towards the other side and gives them a bit of edge to put one over on you and that’s what Plymouth did and fair play they deserved it.
The excuse that we have 2 games coming up this week City and Liverpool at home which we could very well lose is hardly going to define our season.The top and tale is we have disrespected this great competition and sadly this will continue |
We are discussing Brentford this morning ar work. We really don't get what the club is doing. You can't win the PL, so then what? 12th finish again. Its just weird.
Even we didn't lose to Plymouth at home!🤣 | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:37 - Jan 13 with 695 views | PunteR |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:56 - Jan 13 by daveB |
Brentford resting players is even more ridiculous as you had a genuine chance of going quite far in that but tossed it away
All clubs do it but all clubs and fans seem to have now been programmed to think the league is more important even when you are in a position that you are not going up and probably not going down. |
Last few posts sums it up for me. As Norf and DaveB have said, Brentford have a GENUINE chance of winning the trophy. That's my perspective. I don't blame the pragmatism of keeping both eyes on the league, given our league position and quality within the squad. It's not MC's fault or the players that we currently have the record of 3rd round exits.
I still see our club as a rebuilding project which I have since the Malaysians arrived, rightly or wrongly but that's how I see it. We're miles behind Brentford now and that's not good enough for me. |  |
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| A bit of perspective please! on 11:15 - Jan 13 with 575 views | Juzzie |
I've gone back the last 10 years and here are the last 10 FA Cup 3rd round games we've played plus the following League game (apart from Plymouth).
Doesn't really make for good reading, irrespective of who the Manager has been.
In 10 FA Cup 3rd round games we've won just 2 despite 7 of them being at home.
Irrespective of the results of 9 of the FA Cup games, we've won just 3 of our following League game.
What can we draw from this?
1) we are utterly crap in the FA Cup
2) our following League game seems to be just as bad so any notion of resting players (if that is what was done) didn't work..... so what was the point???!
2015 - Sheff Utd (h) Lost, next League game; Burnley (a) Lost
2016 - Forest (a) Lost, next League game; Blackburn (a) Drew
2017 - Blackburn (h) Lost, next League game; Reading (a) Won
2018 - MK Dons (h) Lost (MK fkin Dons!), next League game; Burton Albion (a) Won
2019 - Leeds (h) Won, next League game; Sheff Utd (a) Lost
2020 - Swansea (h) Won, next League game; Brentford (a) Lost
2021 - Fulham (h) Lost (aet), next League game; Luton (a) Won
2022 - Peterborough (a) Lost, next League game; Middlesbrough (h) Drew
2023 - Fleetwood (a) Lost, next League game; Reading (a) Drew
2024 - Bournemouth (h) Lost, next League game; Watford (h) Lost
2025 - Leicester (a) Lost, next League game; Plymouth (a) - ?
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| A bit of perspective please! on 11:30 - Jan 13 with 518 views | stainrods_elbow |
| A bit of perspective please! on 08:06 - Jan 13 by captainmycaptian |
Nonsense, Tamworth, Doncaster showed how it should be done and what it means to them and their fans. Your attitude of its a meaningless comparison is wrong. You think the fans of Tamworth, Doncaster ect walked away feeling proud of their team ?? Tamworth should have ⁶ won. They were playing against Premier players. You miss the whole point of the FA cup, its lure, it attraction. The FA cup is what is right with football today the attitude of some of the clubs and players is what is wrong. As one if the 4500 that went up there to play spot the ball in the fog, I expected more and we deserved better. [Post edited 13 Jan 11:16]
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Hear hear and thrice hear! It's not the Cup that's wrong, it's the forces and factors of cynicism and capitalism that drag it down that make one weep. The fans and clubs who are complicit with that are part of the problem. A fish rots from the head down (even though it technically doesn't, actually). Of course, it therefore starts with the FA themselves, who should do the decent thing and disband. [Post edited 13 Jan 11:31]
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| A bit of perspective please! on 11:31 - Jan 13 with 524 views | KensalT |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:55 - Jan 13 by Northernr |
I mean Brentford have even less excuse. 11th in the league, miles away from problems or Europe, and you've got a team capable of actually winning the thing - a first ever major domestic trophy. And you do that with it? I'd be fuming. |
Brentford owner Matthew Benham made his fortune in gambling.
As of today Brentford are 11 points clear of the bottom three with 18 games to go.
A professional gambler might think relegation from that position is unlikely.
So why not have a go in the cup!?
I think the issue for middling Premier League teams is the prize money per position, which according to this is worth £3.1m per place:
https://goaltheball.com/premier-league-prize-money/
A cup run might not result in relegation, but fixture congestion and possible injuries to key players might drop you three or four positions down the table. Ultimately that could cost a club £9-12m for a competition they know they're unlikely to win once they get drawn against one of the big boys.
And when you compare this to the FA Cup prize money per round, the winner gets £2m which is less than they would lose if a cup run only cost them one league position in the end:
https://goaltheball.com/premier-league-prize-money/
So maybe the risk isn't worth it to them.
The professional gambler doesn't seem to like the odds. [Post edited 14 Jan 9:16]
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| A bit of perspective please! on 11:40 - Jan 13 with 481 views | Northernr |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:31 - Jan 13 by KensalT |
Brentford owner Matthew Benham made his fortune in gambling.
As of today Brentford are 11 points clear of the bottom three with 18 games to go.
A professional gambler might think relegation from that position is unlikely.
So why not have a go in the cup!?
I think the issue for middling Premier League teams is the prize money per position, which according to this is worth £3.1m per place:
https://goaltheball.com/premier-league-prize-money/
A cup run might not result in relegation, but fixture congestion and possible injuries to key players might drop you three or four positions down the table. Ultimately that could cost a club £9-12m for a competition they know they're unlikely to win once they get drawn against one of the big boys.
And when you compare this to the FA Cup prize money per round, the winner gets £2m which is less than they would lose if a cup run only cost them one league position in the end:
https://goaltheball.com/premier-league-prize-money/
So maybe the risk isn't worth it to them.
The professional gambler doesn't seem to like the odds. [Post edited 14 Jan 9:16]
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All true. But it's a sport, it's meant to be about winning things. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:40 - Jan 13 with 470 views | stainrods_elbow |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:31 - Jan 13 by KensalT |
Brentford owner Matthew Benham made his fortune in gambling.
As of today Brentford are 11 points clear of the bottom three with 18 games to go.
A professional gambler might think relegation from that position is unlikely.
So why not have a go in the cup!?
I think the issue for middling Premier League teams is the prize money per position, which according to this is worth £3.1m per place:
https://goaltheball.com/premier-league-prize-money/
A cup run might not result in relegation, but fixture congestion and possible injuries to key players might drop you three or four positions down the table. Ultimately that could cost a club £9-12m for a competition they know they're unlikely to win once they get drawn against one of the big boys.
And when you compare this to the FA Cup prize money per round, the winner gets £2m which is less than they would lose if a cup run only cost them one league position in the end:
https://goaltheball.com/premier-league-prize-money/
So maybe the risk isn't worth it to them.
The professional gambler doesn't seem to like the odds. [Post edited 14 Jan 9:16]
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Northern is right. What your calculative, capitalist/strategic post unfortunately overlooks is the fans themselves. Where do they fit into this joyless balance sheet? Football is about joy, spirit, and reaching for the stars/glory. (And misery - but you get my point.) [Post edited 13 Jan 11:42]
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