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LA 09:16 - Jan 9 with 7733 viewscolinallcars

California must be one of the most song-written places ever.
How about a Thursday choons thingy to salute the firefighers ?
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LA on 18:04 - Jan 9 with 2297 viewsJuzzie

I don't think anyone is disagreeing it's over-saturated, just that an earlier comment about 'nobody cares' was probably not the best of remarks.

If people are groaning about the inevitable media over-hype of the upcoming US inauguration, well, just don't watch it.
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LA on 18:05 - Jan 9 with 2299 viewsB_Wad

I live about eight miles from the Eaton Fire here in LA County. I mostly am using this post to send a shout to QPR in LA. QPR LA, feel free to send me a message if you want to maybe get together for a game. I've been looking for some R's to potentially connect with out here.

I grew up in LA so that I am an R's fan probably says something about my judgement and the questionable decisions I make in my life, but I actually agree with the posters who are criticizing over-coverage by the BBC. We realize there are more important things going on in the world. I think Brian nailed it with the comment on easy access to content. Throw in something like Paris Hilton and iconic landmarks and such. However, the BBC generally seems fixated on the US. The joke that is sort of true is that some folks in the UK know more about US history and politics than we do and I am always somewhat astounded by how much coverage US news receives over there.

Fires in the foothills, particularly during Santa Anas, are a way of life here in LA with our unique urban geography. But this one really is unusual and historic. i was actually scheduled to have heart surgery in Pasadena on Wednesday morning and got a call Tuesday night telling me the procedure was cancelled as my surgeon had to evacuate his home. But it's not just the wealthy who are being affected by this. A number of people I know are now homeless and they are just part of the thousands. A couple of friends of mine voluntarily left their home, just taking a few things and thinking they just wanted to stay out of the smoke. They learned last night their home is gone and all they have now are the few things they brought in their car. The foothill neighborhoods with the classic bungalow architecture and leafy streets have been wiped away. It is still settling in, but yes, that doesn't need constant updates on the Beeb.

Thank you to those sending the good thoughts.
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LA on 20:53 - Jan 9 with 2114 viewsBklynRanger

LA on 18:05 - Jan 9 by B_Wad

I live about eight miles from the Eaton Fire here in LA County. I mostly am using this post to send a shout to QPR in LA. QPR LA, feel free to send me a message if you want to maybe get together for a game. I've been looking for some R's to potentially connect with out here.

I grew up in LA so that I am an R's fan probably says something about my judgement and the questionable decisions I make in my life, but I actually agree with the posters who are criticizing over-coverage by the BBC. We realize there are more important things going on in the world. I think Brian nailed it with the comment on easy access to content. Throw in something like Paris Hilton and iconic landmarks and such. However, the BBC generally seems fixated on the US. The joke that is sort of true is that some folks in the UK know more about US history and politics than we do and I am always somewhat astounded by how much coverage US news receives over there.

Fires in the foothills, particularly during Santa Anas, are a way of life here in LA with our unique urban geography. But this one really is unusual and historic. i was actually scheduled to have heart surgery in Pasadena on Wednesday morning and got a call Tuesday night telling me the procedure was cancelled as my surgeon had to evacuate his home. But it's not just the wealthy who are being affected by this. A number of people I know are now homeless and they are just part of the thousands. A couple of friends of mine voluntarily left their home, just taking a few things and thinking they just wanted to stay out of the smoke. They learned last night their home is gone and all they have now are the few things they brought in their car. The foothill neighborhoods with the classic bungalow architecture and leafy streets have been wiped away. It is still settling in, but yes, that doesn't need constant updates on the Beeb.

Thank you to those sending the good thoughts.


All the best, B_Wad, and agree with all of that. There are undoubtedly worse things going on to more vulnerable people, and the BBC is certainly making the most of the easily accessible footage; but that doesn't take away from how grim this must be for everyone involved. Some of the LA suburbs are pretty idyllic, so a sad loss.

The worrying part for everyone is it's hard not to see this happening again in later years. Could reshape the whole area. My brother in law is up north near Walnut Creek - not as yet affected by any previous wildfires but it's been very dry some years and I know they're all wondering.
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LA on 21:21 - Jan 9 with 2086 viewsBrianMcCarthy

B-Wad,

Best of luck with the heart surgery. Much love.

"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
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LA on 21:33 - Jan 9 with 2031 viewsLblock

The “who cares?” comment Is quite unpalatable and my sympathy to those who have lost everything, some even their lives.

Having gone through this thread the most shocking thing is nobody has blamed climate change (yet) for this.
As tragic as this, and other “natural” disasters, is; it’s gone on for time memorium and old Mother Earth is continually reinventing herself

Huge respect to the emergency responders and volunteers etc fighting these horrendous fires

Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal

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LA on 21:58 - Jan 9 with 1962 viewsstevec

LA on 21:33 - Jan 9 by Lblock

The “who cares?” comment Is quite unpalatable and my sympathy to those who have lost everything, some even their lives.

Having gone through this thread the most shocking thing is nobody has blamed climate change (yet) for this.
As tragic as this, and other “natural” disasters, is; it’s gone on for time memorium and old Mother Earth is continually reinventing herself

Huge respect to the emergency responders and volunteers etc fighting these horrendous fires


It would explain why the BBC are covering it so extensively.

From a bit of snow in the UK to wildfires in the US, they hang in there with a view to push the climate change agenda.

They know people are sick of the full frontal approach so have moved onto this cause and effect scenario in the hope we’re too blindsided to realise.

I am really tired of our establishment bludgeoning us into submission with this constant psychological warfare. Not just climate change, a whole range of things.
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LA on 22:24 - Jan 9 with 1936 viewsted_hendrix

We don't watch the television so the TV licencing people sent me an email recently threatening to kill me If I didn't renew my licence, they mentioned something about mobile machines that they have that will come round and check If I'm watching any of they're mundane ''Eastenders'' overacting type of programme things.
I cant watch news reporters we don't need them anymore they tell you what you already know and can see, all they really want is to end up in that get me out of the jungle thing programme.

John Pilger was a reporter/ journalist who was superb at his job, basic facts that's all you need.

Maybe I should turn the television on and see WTF Is happening on the street, or maybe not.

Read a book.

My Father had a profound influence on me, he was a lunatic.

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LA on 23:07 - Jan 9 with 1868 viewscolinallcars

The BBC used to be admired throughout the world for its quality and respectable broadcasting.
Now, it has to scrabble around in the muck with commercial companies for “audience ratings” in order to retain its licence fee.
This is the fault of several governments.
The BBC should be a go-to channel for cultural and sensible broadcasting.
Leave the rappers and drag queens and God knows what else to the other crap companies.
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LA on 23:25 - Jan 9 with 1829 viewsdaveB

LA on 21:58 - Jan 9 by stevec

It would explain why the BBC are covering it so extensively.

From a bit of snow in the UK to wildfires in the US, they hang in there with a view to push the climate change agenda.

They know people are sick of the full frontal approach so have moved onto this cause and effect scenario in the hope we’re too blindsided to realise.

I am really tired of our establishment bludgeoning us into submission with this constant psychological warfare. Not just climate change, a whole range of things.


They are probably covering it as it's a major disaster rather than whatever agenda you think they have

Some of the comments on this thread are unreal to be honest, people losing their lives, their homes, everything they have and the anger seems to be at the BBC for covering it as if they are the only media outlet covering the story, it's on every news bulletin on every tv channel
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LA on 23:49 - Jan 9 with 1799 viewsCLAREMAN1995

LA on 23:25 - Jan 9 by daveB

They are probably covering it as it's a major disaster rather than whatever agenda you think they have

Some of the comments on this thread are unreal to be honest, people losing their lives, their homes, everything they have and the anger seems to be at the BBC for covering it as if they are the only media outlet covering the story, it's on every news bulletin on every tv channel
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As always the voice of reason daveB and I second that excellent post.No matter your income or value of your home the fire is merciless and horrific and I feel for all the humans and animals in this inferno.
I have watched multiple reports on fast moving fires that just started and people have 15 to 20 minutes to get away before death basically.
Now everybody on LFW take 20 minutes go through your house take your most valuable posessions (that you can fit in a car ) ,pets and family and get out and probably never set foor in your house again in its present condition .That is what these people are doing right now its frightining .Best of luck to everybody
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LA on 00:32 - Jan 10 with 1759 viewsSydneyRs

LA on 21:33 - Jan 9 by Lblock

The “who cares?” comment Is quite unpalatable and my sympathy to those who have lost everything, some even their lives.

Having gone through this thread the most shocking thing is nobody has blamed climate change (yet) for this.
As tragic as this, and other “natural” disasters, is; it’s gone on for time memorium and old Mother Earth is continually reinventing herself

Huge respect to the emergency responders and volunteers etc fighting these horrendous fires


Nobody had brought it up/started the argument, so you thought you would?
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LA on 00:36 - Jan 10 with 1752 viewsSydneyRs

LA on 09:34 - Jan 9 by gazza1

Cant believe how much 'air time' the BBC news give to it!!!!! Who really cares??


Spoken like someone who has no experience of how devastating and frightening these type of wildfires (or bushfires as they call them here) are.
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LA on 01:30 - Jan 10 with 1703 viewsB_Wad

LA on 20:53 - Jan 9 by BklynRanger

All the best, B_Wad, and agree with all of that. There are undoubtedly worse things going on to more vulnerable people, and the BBC is certainly making the most of the easily accessible footage; but that doesn't take away from how grim this must be for everyone involved. Some of the LA suburbs are pretty idyllic, so a sad loss.

The worrying part for everyone is it's hard not to see this happening again in later years. Could reshape the whole area. My brother in law is up north near Walnut Creek - not as yet affected by any previous wildfires but it's been very dry some years and I know they're all wondering.


Thank you Bklyn.

Yes, sort of like L Block mentioned, drought, wildfire and winds are a phenomenon in the state that probably need more attention when it comes to planning. I reckon we might see more guidelines and requirements for fire-resistant materials and landscaping by insurance companies and layers of government.
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LA on 01:32 - Jan 10 with 1690 viewsB_Wad

LA on 21:21 - Jan 9 by BrianMcCarthy

B-Wad,

Best of luck with the heart surgery. Much love.


Thank you Brian. That final McGuinness header on Monday sort of gave a test. Hopefully Saturday will be less stressful!
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LA (n/t) on 07:01 - Jan 10 with 1566 viewsPlanetHonneywood

LA on 21:33 - Jan 9 by Lblock

The “who cares?” comment Is quite unpalatable and my sympathy to those who have lost everything, some even their lives.

Having gone through this thread the most shocking thing is nobody has blamed climate change (yet) for this.
As tragic as this, and other “natural” disasters, is; it’s gone on for time memorium and old Mother Earth is continually reinventing herself

Huge respect to the emergency responders and volunteers etc fighting these horrendous fires


If climate change still has to be raised for some, then I fsuspect they just not going to get it.

The issue has long gone past the point of no return. These COPs are a waste of time, and are COP-OUTS!! Frankly, we'd be better off focusing on how to best manage what's coming.
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LA on 10:42 - Jan 10 with 1409 viewsJuzzie

LA on 21:33 - Jan 9 by Lblock

The “who cares?” comment Is quite unpalatable and my sympathy to those who have lost everything, some even their lives.

Having gone through this thread the most shocking thing is nobody has blamed climate change (yet) for this.
As tragic as this, and other “natural” disasters, is; it’s gone on for time memorium and old Mother Earth is continually reinventing herself

Huge respect to the emergency responders and volunteers etc fighting these horrendous fires


"Having gone through this thread the most shocking thing is nobody has blamed climate change (yet) for this."

Possibly because climate change is probably nothing to with what has happened, hence why no one has mentioned it. I think (hope!) that even any conspiracist theorists can see this!

Wild fires around LA are a regular occurrence particularly with the Santa Anas winds. Basically, they know about this and have done for probably centuries.

As recently as 2017/2018 they had the Thomas fire, Creek fire and Rye fire. So they know all about them.


This is more than likely about cut backs and mismanagement than anything else.
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LA on 15:06 - Jan 10 with 1244 viewscolinallcars

They read out the names of some famous people whose houses have burnt down.
I didn't know a lot of them but recognised Mel Gibson, Paris Hilton & Anthony Hopkins.
Some people say bah, they're rich anyway but they still deserve our thoughts.
I wonder if my street in Hammersmith burned down - the list of names:
Herbert Toil, Sid Spragg, Albert Tench, Slarty Bartfast, Norman Mould.
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LA on 15:32 - Jan 10 with 1215 viewsGaryHaddock

Not that it's the point, but I maintain that if a city the size of Bristol burned down and it's residents evacuated, it would get plenty of coverage in the US and worldwide.

Worrying about this kind of shit in the midst of a tragedy is small time thinking. I won't even address the climate change denial, as we just left a period of ten years that each find themselves in the top ten hottest years on record.
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LA on 15:49 - Jan 10 with 1151 viewsJuzzie

Don't want to go too much off tangent here (sorry if I have Clive and I'll edit/delete what I've written) but the costs to rebuild will be astronomical and as well as the pressure it will put on insurance companies and policy renewal prices, I'm sure there will be huge pressure on the government to stop financing things like the war in Ukraine and divert the funds internally.

I suspect Trump intends to pull the plug anyway but this will just make that decision easier to make and for the US citizens (for those who don't want that to happen) to accept.

Zelensky will have to yield, they'll lose the Donbass for good and Putin will claim a Russian victory and milk it for all he can.
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LA on 18:54 - Jan 10 with 1005 viewsizlingtonhoop

LA on 10:42 - Jan 10 by Juzzie

"Having gone through this thread the most shocking thing is nobody has blamed climate change (yet) for this."

Possibly because climate change is probably nothing to with what has happened, hence why no one has mentioned it. I think (hope!) that even any conspiracist theorists can see this!

Wild fires around LA are a regular occurrence particularly with the Santa Anas winds. Basically, they know about this and have done for probably centuries.

As recently as 2017/2018 they had the Thomas fire, Creek fire and Rye fire. So they know all about them.


This is more than likely about cut backs and mismanagement than anything else.
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From the graun:

US government research is unequivocal in linking climate change to larger and more severe wildfires in the western US.

"Climate change, including increased heat, extended drought, and a thirsty atmosphere, has been a key driver in increasing the risk and extent of wildfires in the western United States," the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says.
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LA on 21:10 - Jan 10 with 891 viewsR_from_afar

If 179,000 people being evacuated from one of the largest and most high profile cities in the western world isn't headline news, I really don't know what is. That's before you even factor in the loss of life and widescale destruction.

Granted, natural disasters have always occurred and always will, even without man-made climate change, but climate change increases the likelihood of such events and can make them more severe.

It's actually the rainy season in California currently, but this is what the L A Times says about matters:

“It’s safe to say this is [one of] the top ten driest starts to our rainy season on record,” said Ryan Kittell, a National Weather Service meteorologist in Oxnard. “Basically, all the plants are as dry as they normally are in October.”

California’s wet season can run from October to April, although most of the precipitation occurs from December to February".

I feel for all those affected and hope that those who still deny man-made climate change, in spite of all the scientific research from so many unconnected organisations, will join the dots between these and other wildfires, ever more powerful storms, vastly altered rainfall patterns, umpteen floods and unseasonal droughts and change their outlook.

"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."

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LA on 21:59 - Jan 10 with 835 viewsdmm

Almost all science points to the increasingly extreme weather events we see happening all the time, everywhere as evidence of human induced climate change and some people still close their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears and sing la la la la. Quite incredible.
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LA on 22:40 - Jan 10 with 764 viewsLblock

Since 1880, average global temperatures have increased by about 1 degrees Celsius (1.7° degrees Fahrenheit). Global temperature is projected to warm by about 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7° degrees Fahrenheit) by 2050 and 2-4 degrees Celsius (3.6-7.2 degrees Fahrenheit) by 2100.

Those bloody medieval bastards in their 4x4’s, using paraffin heaters to keep the old thatched cottages warm whilst jetting off to Ye Olde EyeBeefah for a well earned break with all the other Serfs and Landowners alike

Climate change is a fact
Mother Earth will change and there is not a God fearing thing anyone can do to stop her. Fact.
In just the last 80 or so years we’ve had Hiroshima and Nagasaki, countless smaller and larger nuke tests, Chernobyl and others alongside volcanoes, tsunamis and other natural earth changing events but still Mother Earth turns.
Yet millions and millions of lemmings follow this modern day witchcraft cult that we’re going to kill everything if we turn the boiler on, drive a car or don’t subscribe to Nutty Millibands new green army. Let’s not even consider what we spat up into the atmosphere over the industrial revolution which was minuscule compared to CO2 and sulphur emitted over Jurassic times; and compare that to how clean a lot of industries are now.
If you believe you can do your bit to change the earths temperature then knock yourself out, fair kin play to you. But is it right that you can force your views onto others and belittle those with a different opinion; are you so convinced what you’re being told is right????

I’d sooner concentrate on reduction of waste and rubbish.
What we are doing to our rivers, seas and natural land areas across the globe is disgraceful. Yes I’d agree the fossil industries are also at fault here and their contamination of areas needs further improvement absolutely.

Enough of my waffle… I’m off to stick my fingers in my ears (and this wasn’t really a thread to take down this rabbit hole…. My apologies)

Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal

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LA (n/t) on 22:40 - Jan 10 with 768 viewsqueensparker

LA on 21:59 - Jan 10 by dmm

Almost all science points to the increasingly extreme weather events we see happening all the time, everywhere as evidence of human induced climate change and some people still close their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears and sing la la la la. Quite incredible.


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LA on 22:58 - Jan 10 with 720 viewsDiscodroids

Sometimes it appears that we're reaching a period when our senses and our minds will no longer respond to moderate stimulation.'
@spiro Agnew 1970.

I think i reached that point in the Danny Rampling goa trance tent at creamfields 1999.

I was watching 'the masked singer ' a week ago at home with Jo on ITV a week ago or so.. I was sober...I thought is this it??. Is this the Parameter of the 5 known senses?

Saturday night with a load of minor celeb FGM off cut w ankers singing 'walking in memphis ' dressed as a pepper pot ??

But No!.. people drawing ley lines between Trump and wild Burning fires laying waste to all life on this thread convinces me that life must go on.

Classic LFW.
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