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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry 05:53 - Jan 3 with 7510 viewsAnotherJohn

Jess Phillips has rejected a request from Oldham Council for a Home-Office-led national inquiry into historic child exploitation in Oldham. It seems that Government prefers to frame this as a local issue, and is insisting that it is for the Council to decide on any future action. The Tories, Reform, Maggie Oliver and even Elon Musk, are wading in to excoriate Starmer. One allegation is that his leadership of the CPS may have been part of the problem. Some suggest there is a continuing establishment cover-up to avoid further inflaming racial tensions.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tories-demand-inquiry-into-grooming-gangs-

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-establishment-is-still-denying-justice-to-the-victim

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/politics/government/rochdale-whistleblower-maggie-oliv
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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 19:03 - Jan 9 with 302 viewsAnotherJohn

Re who voted for what, the most interesting aspect is who abstained. Something to do with political positioning of some in high positions?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-grooming-gang-vote-a
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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 19:31 - Jan 9 with 267 viewsonehunglow

They are gutless
All parties are
Clearly

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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:07 - Jan 9 with 243 viewsKeithHaynes

Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 19:31 - Jan 9 by onehunglow

They are gutless
All parties are
Clearly


Never put your faith in anyone who wants to dictate peoples lives from a position of power.

Brew your own.

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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:31 - Jan 9 with 214 viewsBoundy

Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 18:35 - Jan 9 by Scotia

I doubt that's the root cause of any of it.


What you doubt and what's known can be many different things , the muslim faith which openly promotes its followers to believe that they are superior to non believers , and as we have seen, is often taken literally, too many times we've seen butchering on the streets of this country in the name of Allah ,this is another form of all encompassing righteousness taken to an extreme.

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:32 - Jan 9 with 213 viewsGwyn737

Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 18:41 - Jan 9 by Scotia

I hope they're proud of themselves for voting against this bill.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/childrens-bill-to-keep-children-safe-from-exp

Hypocrites spring to mind.


Absolutely.

I spent two days at the DfE as part of the evidence gathering for the school.safeguarding bit, I won’t over state my role but to it was both tiny and apolitical.

There are bigger risks for abuse than ethnicity, that’s not to say these issues don’t intertwine on occasion
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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:33 - Jan 9 with 212 viewsDr_Winston

Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:31 - Jan 9 by Boundy

What you doubt and what's known can be many different things , the muslim faith which openly promotes its followers to believe that they are superior to non believers , and as we have seen, is often taken literally, too many times we've seen butchering on the streets of this country in the name of Allah ,this is another form of all encompassing righteousness taken to an extreme.


Most religions promote the belief that their followers are superior to others. The Catholic Church has a history of bloodshed that at least rivals and possibly surpasses Islam.

Religious crazies are going to crazy whatever fictional book they're into.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:40 - Jan 9 with 195 viewsBoundy

Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:33 - Jan 9 by Dr_Winston

Most religions promote the belief that their followers are superior to others. The Catholic Church has a history of bloodshed that at least rivals and possibly surpasses Islam.

Religious crazies are going to crazy whatever fictional book they're into.


I agree, regarding all religion has the propensity to carry inhumane acts but as these rape gangs being discussed mainly contain Pakistani men then the guesstimate is they follow Islam .

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:45 - Jan 9 with 183 viewsLuther27

Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 06:34 - Jan 9 by Scotia

No. Obviously not. There's been an investigation on all forms of child abuse who's results were published just 16 months ago.

There are obviously far bigger issues regarding child abuse than grooming gangs. The stats prove that.

If you really want to protect children a national inquiry in to grooming gangs is dealing with a very small part of a massive problem. And also probably not the most effective.


The point of a public enquiry in my understanding is to gather information on how it happened and why. Understanding and identifying why institutions failed, what caused them to fail and accountability.
It seems to be the way of The United Kingdom that this will never happen as there are too many stakeholders in this crime who will be required to attend in the full focus of media. Can you imagine how that would pan out?
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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:52 - Jan 9 with 176 viewsDr_Winston

Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:40 - Jan 9 by Boundy

I agree, regarding all religion has the propensity to carry inhumane acts but as these rape gangs being discussed mainly contain Pakistani men then the guesstimate is they follow Islam .


The fact that it's mostly Pakistani Moslems would suggest that it's probably a mix between culture and religion. Given the general disdain in Islam for the rights of women it would be dumb to suggest that Religion plays no part, but Moslems of other cultures and ethnic backgrounds don't tend to feature much in the lists of those prosecuted.

Perhaps that's just because most Moslems in the UK have their roots in that area instead of others like Bangladesh or Indonesia, but you'd expect to see some others if it was purely a religion thing. Maybe it's just an extended family/clan thing.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 22:16 - Jan 9 with 108 viewsBoundy

Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:52 - Jan 9 by Dr_Winston

The fact that it's mostly Pakistani Moslems would suggest that it's probably a mix between culture and religion. Given the general disdain in Islam for the rights of women it would be dumb to suggest that Religion plays no part, but Moslems of other cultures and ethnic backgrounds don't tend to feature much in the lists of those prosecuted.

Perhaps that's just because most Moslems in the UK have their roots in that area instead of others like Bangladesh or Indonesia, but you'd expect to see some others if it was purely a religion thing. Maybe it's just an extended family/clan thing.


Good theory , it would be interesting , if possible, to see the backgrounds and links (if any) of each perpetrator , Mosques, family links , types of businesses ie taxi firms.

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 00:43 - Jan 10 with 64 viewsRobbie

Surprised Nia Griffiths , Llanelli my old stomping ground voted against a review over these horrendous acts , hang your head in shame now please .

Good discussion on the wireless earlier , saying the original immigrants where happy to find and wanted work in the UK , NHS , Dockside or Bus Drivers were needed after the War .
These people filled the labour shortfall and filled the gaps for vital sevices .

Sadly second and third generation refugees do not have the same attitude of their past .

UK is now a place of weaith and money making potential for all the wrong reasons .
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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 03:19 - Jan 10 with 36 viewsAnotherJohn

Some in Labour recognise that the proposed government path is not the answer. I mentioned Blue Labour earlier in the thread, and now Andy Burnham had expressed support for a limited review that would hold the culpable to account.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/andy-burnham-backs-limited-new-child-groom
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