| Nigel Farage 15:28 - May 28 with 23422 views | union_jack |
Nigel seems to be voicing the opinions of the silent majority of this country. Yes?
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| Nigel Farage on 16:59 - Jun 19 with 930 views | onehunglow |
Wales has certainly been shat on.
Beautiful country but desperately lacking in what’s really important
The North too,dumped and left to rot.
The wealth in south east is scandalous
It’s why the cookers know nothing north of Watford Gap [Post edited 19 Jun 17:01]
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| Nigel Farage on 17:50 - Jun 19 with 888 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Nigel Farage on 12:06 - Jun 19 by ExiledJack |
I broadly agree with your thoughts and certainly the contention that we should aspire towards a more sustainable model.
Debt sustainability is the issue that would make such a change, or any positive change, difficult to achieve. Not impossible, but difficult. If our debt rises faster than GDP, and crucially more so than other countries, markets will punish us by devaluing the pound and increasing the interest rate paid on our debt, in a similar manner to what we saw briefly under Liz Truss. This is where the pressure for GDP growth comes from, as the government runs a deficit every year which adds to the debt alongside the interest payments.
The CBI estimates UK GDP will grow by 1% this year. A recent auction for government debt raised new funds for 4.25%, but the collective rate paid on all debt as a % of GDP is closer to 3%. The annual fiscal deficit is estimated to be around 4% of GDP. The country either needs GDP growth, lower interest payments on its debt, or needs to shrink its deficit (austerity). The easiest way to achieve GDP growth is through immigration. |
National debt, that's just another scam. Remember when Iceland (the country) went practically bankrupt? And how are they doing these days?
https://www.oecd.org/economy/iceland-economic-snapshot/
The system is set up to keep the rich and powerful ( those who designed the system) where they are and keep the rest of us where we are. There's an old Russian proverb...
The rich would have to eat money if the poor did not provide food. | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 18:02 - Jun 19 with 878 views | Gwyn737 |
| Nigel Farage on 17:10 - Jun 18 by Dr_Winston |
The problem is that "capitalism" has been humanity's default setting for Millennia, and even today remains the most effective way of raising living standards across the World. At what cost it does so remains open to debate, but probably at a lower cost than every other system that we've tried above small tribe or village level. |
You’re right IMO.
But in any civilised society there needs to be a socialist safety net. When times are tough the size of that net is what causes angst.
This sees the rise of the populist right who build enemies to blame. They presents benefit figures as supporting scroungers and in some (too many) it is the case, but the benefits bill is far larger for those in work than not. A vast portion of the benefits bill going out is the state pension but its rarely mentioned.
This gets people riled up allows the likes of Farage to say things like this and be believed:
Straight out of the Trump playbook.
I can understand a vote for Reform as people would like to put some disrupters in the the HoC, but Reform to be in charge? Don’t be daft. | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 19:28 - Jun 19 with 837 views | JumpingJackFlash |
Farage says he’ll withdraw the UK from the World Economic Forum.
You don’t need to bother Nige, the UK isn’t a member of the World Economic Forum.
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| Nigel Farage on 19:35 - Jun 19 with 830 views | ExiledJack |
| Nigel Farage on 17:50 - Jun 19 by SullutaCreturned |
National debt, that's just another scam. Remember when Iceland (the country) went practically bankrupt? And how are they doing these days?
https://www.oecd.org/economy/iceland-economic-snapshot/
The system is set up to keep the rich and powerful ( those who designed the system) where they are and keep the rest of us where we are. There's an old Russian proverb...
The rich would have to eat money if the poor did not provide food. |
Capitalism is the best system we have, it has generally raised living standards. There are many examples of people who have gone from poor to rich and vice versa. Where I agree with you is the problems caused by constantly needing growth, the pressure this puts on our infrastructure and environment. If the government, and by extension the populace, cared about keeping a lid on national debt then we wouldn’t need GDP growth to keep up.
Iceland didn’t ignore their national debt, quite the opposite. It ballooned due to a financial crisis rather than government largesse. In response they put up taxes, reduced spending, reneged on foreign debts, crashed their currency by 60%, introduced capital controls, all with the intent to reduce their national debt. It was far from easy but they’ve come out the other side having halved the debt % and were able to pivot to an export-based economy boosted by tourism. | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 20:06 - Jun 19 with 803 views | Dr_Winston |
| Nigel Farage on 18:02 - Jun 19 by Gwyn737 |
You’re right IMO.
But in any civilised society there needs to be a socialist safety net. When times are tough the size of that net is what causes angst.
This sees the rise of the populist right who build enemies to blame. They presents benefit figures as supporting scroungers and in some (too many) it is the case, but the benefits bill is far larger for those in work than not. A vast portion of the benefits bill going out is the state pension but its rarely mentioned.
This gets people riled up allows the likes of Farage to say things like this and be believed:
Straight out of the Trump playbook.
I can understand a vote for Reform as people would like to put some disrupters in the the HoC, but Reform to be in charge? Don’t be daft. |
The major cause of the angst that sees the rise of the likes of Farage is when the net is too large, not too small.
I think most people understand and even support the need for a social support system in place to help those in need. Yes, there are the extremists who would get rid of it all, but they are a tiny minority.
The problems happen when people see that safety net being abused. Most people will have a story about the neighbour or family member who has never worked but has a nice new car, Sky TV and three holidays a year. People will also have questions about the ability of the system to support tens of thousands of new arrivals every year, arrivals who often disappear into the dark economy.
When they are told that such concerns are racist or bigoted, you're just playing into the hands of Farage and his aping of the Trump technique. |  |
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| Nigel Farage on 20:23 - Jun 19 with 776 views | Wingstandwood |
| Nigel Farage on 20:06 - Jun 19 by Dr_Winston |
The major cause of the angst that sees the rise of the likes of Farage is when the net is too large, not too small.
I think most people understand and even support the need for a social support system in place to help those in need. Yes, there are the extremists who would get rid of it all, but they are a tiny minority.
The problems happen when people see that safety net being abused. Most people will have a story about the neighbour or family member who has never worked but has a nice new car, Sky TV and three holidays a year. People will also have questions about the ability of the system to support tens of thousands of new arrivals every year, arrivals who often disappear into the dark economy.
When they are told that such concerns are racist or bigoted, you're just playing into the hands of Farage and his aping of the Trump technique. |
Idiots and witchfinder generals who throw around malicious false accusations and insults like gammon, Nazi, racist, bigot, far-right, knuckle dragger, fascist, Neanderthal etc must surely be the elite for enabling home goal outcomes.
When common sense was dished out they were not even at the back of the queue because they tripped over their own feet trying to get there. Special mention to Michael Heseltine with his "racist" accusation. He just does not get it does he?
Never learnt from the referendum, never learnt from the EU elections and still not learnt to this very day! [Post edited 19 Jun 20:29]
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| Nigel Farage on 20:24 - Jun 19 with 774 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Nigel Farage on 19:35 - Jun 19 by ExiledJack |
Capitalism is the best system we have, it has generally raised living standards. There are many examples of people who have gone from poor to rich and vice versa. Where I agree with you is the problems caused by constantly needing growth, the pressure this puts on our infrastructure and environment. If the government, and by extension the populace, cared about keeping a lid on national debt then we wouldn’t need GDP growth to keep up.
Iceland didn’t ignore their national debt, quite the opposite. It ballooned due to a financial crisis rather than government largesse. In response they put up taxes, reduced spending, reneged on foreign debts, crashed their currency by 60%, introduced capital controls, all with the intent to reduce their national debt. It was far from easy but they’ve come out the other side having halved the debt % and were able to pivot to an export-based economy boosted by tourism. |
Where did I say Iceland ignored their debt? No they "reneged" on it and if ordinary people do that we suffer years of consequences, bankruptcy or possibly an IVA, court proceedings maybe and losing your home, possibly.
When those 3 Icelandic banks collapsed, Dutch and British depositors lost every penny. An EFTA court ruled that they didn't have to pay out their minimum deposit guarantees. I wonder how many of those people were rich?
Domestic deposits were guaranteed though.
Iceland's debt was 7 times their GDP. If they can renege and be good aain in around 9 years, maybe the whole world should just write all the debt off and start again. I'm sure the rich and powerful wouldn't mind! | | | |
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| Nigel Farage on 20:55 - Jun 19 with 730 views | ExiledJack |
| Nigel Farage on 20:24 - Jun 19 by SullutaCreturned |
Where did I say Iceland ignored their debt? No they "reneged" on it and if ordinary people do that we suffer years of consequences, bankruptcy or possibly an IVA, court proceedings maybe and losing your home, possibly.
When those 3 Icelandic banks collapsed, Dutch and British depositors lost every penny. An EFTA court ruled that they didn't have to pay out their minimum deposit guarantees. I wonder how many of those people were rich?
Domestic deposits were guaranteed though.
Iceland's debt was 7 times their GDP. If they can renege and be good aain in around 9 years, maybe the whole world should just write all the debt off and start again. I'm sure the rich and powerful wouldn't mind! |
Iceland took on the domestic debts from those banks but didn’t bail out the foreign debts. They jailed the bankers responsible.
The point I wanted to make is that control of national debt is the way to get to a sustainable economy that doesn’t need growth to balance the books. Iceland is actually a good example of this as their debt to GDP was over 130% even without the banks foreign debt, they controlled this in a sustainable manner. They didn’t write off the 130%, they paid it down. They needed to run budget surpluses for several years, which didn’t happen in the UK even during the austerity years. You’re right in that the foreign debts of the banks dwarfed the country’s debt, but Iceland saw those debts as the bank’s obligation and not the country’s. Rightly or wrongly the EFTA court agreed. | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 21:11 - Jun 19 with 693 views | Boundy |
| Nigel Farage on 20:23 - Jun 19 by Wingstandwood |
Idiots and witchfinder generals who throw around malicious false accusations and insults like gammon, Nazi, racist, bigot, far-right, knuckle dragger, fascist, Neanderthal etc must surely be the elite for enabling home goal outcomes.
When common sense was dished out they were not even at the back of the queue because they tripped over their own feet trying to get there. Special mention to Michael Heseltine with his "racist" accusation. He just does not get it does he?
Never learnt from the referendum, never learnt from the EU elections and still not learnt to this very day! [Post edited 19 Jun 20:29]
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| Nigel Farage on 21:17 - Jun 19 with 684 views | Gwyn737 |
| Nigel Farage on 20:06 - Jun 19 by Dr_Winston |
The major cause of the angst that sees the rise of the likes of Farage is when the net is too large, not too small.
I think most people understand and even support the need for a social support system in place to help those in need. Yes, there are the extremists who would get rid of it all, but they are a tiny minority.
The problems happen when people see that safety net being abused. Most people will have a story about the neighbour or family member who has never worked but has a nice new car, Sky TV and three holidays a year. People will also have questions about the ability of the system to support tens of thousands of new arrivals every year, arrivals who often disappear into the dark economy.
When they are told that such concerns are racist or bigoted, you're just playing into the hands of Farage and his aping of the Trump technique. |
I don’t think they’re bigoted or racist, just wrong.
Farage has put all of ills of this country onto immigrants and that’s just so simplistic.
Your example of the benefit scrounger we all know is important but raises two points for me.
1. That we all know one leads to many people dramatically overestimating the bill for benefit fraud
2. How many of these people we all know are immigrants? | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 21:25 - Jun 19 with 672 views | Dr_Winston |
| Nigel Farage on 21:17 - Jun 19 by Gwyn737 |
I don’t think they’re bigoted or racist, just wrong.
Farage has put all of ills of this country onto immigrants and that’s just so simplistic.
Your example of the benefit scrounger we all know is important but raises two points for me.
1. That we all know one leads to many people dramatically overestimating the bill for benefit fraud
2. How many of these people we all know are immigrants? |
If my experience has taught me anything, it's that benefit fraud is much higher than official statistics suggest, and a lot lower than the Daily Mail would have you believe. I can't go into any more depth than that.
Again in my experience very few refugees end up on benefits in the long term. Most end up in some form of work quite quickly. How legit that work is and how much tax is paid on it I can't say.
Farage has his playbook and he's running it. There are more than enough stupid people to fall for it. | |
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| Nigel Farage on 21:37 - Jun 19 with 659 views | Gwyn737 |
| Nigel Farage on 21:25 - Jun 19 by Dr_Winston |
If my experience has taught me anything, it's that benefit fraud is much higher than official statistics suggest, and a lot lower than the Daily Mail would have you believe. I can't go into any more depth than that.
Again in my experience very few refugees end up on benefits in the long term. Most end up in some form of work quite quickly. How legit that work is and how much tax is paid on it I can't say.
Farage has his playbook and he's running it. There are more than enough stupid people to fall for it. |
Do you think he actually wants to be Prime Minister?
I don’t. Not for one second. | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 21:47 - Jun 19 with 656 views | Wingstandwood |
| Nigel Farage on 21:11 - Jun 19 by Boundy |
Go get em boy ,running scared I'd say. |
Aldershot's Conservative candidate has done something unheard of by coming out only a short while back by openly admitting that his constituencies Conservative vote has been hit extremely hard, because (he's heard it on the door!) '"Loads" (his words!) are turning to the Reform party!
There is going to be a lot of recrimination and seething anger post election when losing Conservative M.P’s and heavy hitters finally go off script and become mutinous and disloyal in mass numbers by turning on the party itself.
And my guess is that Britains disgraceful excuse of a prime minister is going to get it big time. Could not even respect D-day hey!!!!
There is going to be a lot of recrimination and blame once the requirement for self-discipline and party loyalty is no longer required! | |
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| Nigel Farage on 22:13 - Jun 19 with 620 views | Dr_Winston |
| Nigel Farage on 21:37 - Jun 19 by Gwyn737 |
Do you think he actually wants to be Prime Minister?
I don’t. Not for one second. |
I think he'd love to be PM. He wouldn't have the first idea what to do when he got there and he'd spend most of the time blaming everything and anyone else for his failures, but he absolutely wants the job. | |
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| Nigel Farage on 22:49 - Jun 19 with 590 views | DJack |
| Nigel Farage on 22:13 - Jun 19 by Dr_Winston |
I think he'd love to be PM. He wouldn't have the first idea what to do when he got there and he'd spend most of the time blaming everything and anyone else for his failures, but he absolutely wants the job. |
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| Nigel Farage on 23:25 - Jun 19 with 581 views | howenjack |
| Nigel Farage on 21:25 - Jun 19 by Dr_Winston |
If my experience has taught me anything, it's that benefit fraud is much higher than official statistics suggest, and a lot lower than the Daily Mail would have you believe. I can't go into any more depth than that.
Again in my experience very few refugees end up on benefits in the long term. Most end up in some form of work quite quickly. How legit that work is and how much tax is paid on it I can't say.
Farage has his playbook and he's running it. There are more than enough stupid people to fall for it. |
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13290051/The-benefit-fraud-millionaires | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 23:39 - Jun 19 with 556 views | majorraglan |
Farage’s economic policies have been discredited by numerous economists and he’s proposing an insurance system for the NHS which many people aren’t aware of, what people are listening to is the immigration because whether it’s legal or illegal, many people have had enough. If the loops allowing people to work in the black economy were closed and those breaking the law were prosecuted, then people may pivot away from Reform. | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 07:54 - Jun 20 with 511 views | Scotia |
| Nigel Farage on 23:39 - Jun 19 by majorraglan |
Farage’s economic policies have been discredited by numerous economists and he’s proposing an insurance system for the NHS which many people aren’t aware of, what people are listening to is the immigration because whether it’s legal or illegal, many people have had enough. If the loops allowing people to work in the black economy were closed and those breaking the law were prosecuted, then people may pivot away from Reform. |
Reform's manifesto is unworkable BS. It's bascially we'll stop immigration (with no plan), send boast back to France (who won't take them), spend money we haven't got and help destroy the planet.
Part of me would like to see it get implemented becasue it would be the end of Reform, the downside is the economy would take decades to recover.
I'm not totally averse to substantial reform of the NHS though. | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 08:54 - Jun 20 with 475 views | Boundy |
| Nigel Farage on 22:13 - Jun 19 by Dr_Winston |
I think he'd love to be PM. He wouldn't have the first idea what to do when he got there and he'd spend most of the time blaming everything and anyone else for his failures, but he absolutely wants the job. |
And yet we had Liz Truss & Gordon Brown as our glorious leaders ,short memories some .What we're about to receive is 5 years of Labour blaming the Tories another 5 years to discover Labour are just as if not worse and so the cycle continues ,and I'm stupid , nah a realist. | |
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| Nigel Farage on 09:05 - Jun 20 with 467 views | onehunglow |
| Nigel Farage on 08:54 - Jun 20 by Boundy |
And yet we had Liz Truss & Gordon Brown as our glorious leaders ,short memories some .What we're about to receive is 5 years of Labour blaming the Tories another 5 years to discover Labour are just as if not worse and so the cycle continues ,and I'm stupid , nah a realist. |
Boundy.
I might not see out the next five years but I predict things will be worse than under the last shower of jerks | |
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| Nigel Farage on 10:07 - Jun 20 with 456 views | johnlangy |
| Nigel Farage on 09:05 - Jun 20 by onehunglow |
Boundy.
I might not see out the next five years but I predict things will be worse than under the last shower of jerks |
Hopefully you're wrong on both counts ohl  | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 10:12 - Jun 20 with 440 views | Boundy |
| Nigel Farage on 09:05 - Jun 20 by onehunglow |
Boundy.
I might not see out the next five years but I predict things will be worse than under the last shower of jerks |
I echo John's sentiments ,plenty of years left to say what you belive I and more . Yep I wonder what sh**storm Lanour will leave us in ,the futures certainly not bright nor has a feeling of optimism which was felt just before Blairs tenure. | |
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| Nigel Farage on 10:26 - Jun 20 with 430 views | Scotia |
| Nigel Farage on 08:54 - Jun 20 by Boundy |
And yet we had Liz Truss & Gordon Brown as our glorious leaders ,short memories some .What we're about to receive is 5 years of Labour blaming the Tories another 5 years to discover Labour are just as if not worse and so the cycle continues ,and I'm stupid , nah a realist. |
I'm no fan of Gordon Brown, but his big issue was his personality not his ability.
Neither of Cameron, Johnson, Truss or Sunak can hold a candle to him. I think Theresa May could have been a decent PM in the right circumstances.
It's going to take a lot more than 5 years to finish blaming the Tories for the mess we're in. | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 10:53 - Jun 20 with 408 views | Boundy |
| Nigel Farage on 10:26 - Jun 20 by Scotia |
I'm no fan of Gordon Brown, but his big issue was his personality not his ability.
Neither of Cameron, Johnson, Truss or Sunak can hold a candle to him. I think Theresa May could have been a decent PM in the right circumstances.
It's going to take a lot more than 5 years to finish blaming the Tories for the mess we're in. |
Flogging our gold reserves just before the prices rose to one of their highest levels and you don't question his ability? | |
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