| Lineker dropped from MOTD 16:54 - Mar 10 with 45310 views | Bushman |
David Attenborough show kicked sideways to iPlayer
What times we live in |  |
| I know almost nothing about the Premier League even though I try to catch the big games every now and then at the end of the season. But I will say this, Queens Park Rangers is just a fukking sick ass team name. Just sounds so cool. |
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| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 16:11 - Mar 13 with 1872 views | JamesB1979 |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 16:06 - Mar 13 by essextaxiboy |
Wasnt the regime in Germany rounding up and persecuting people who were already resident there rather than people trying to get there ?
I may be wrong but it doesnt seem like an accurate comparison . |
100%. It’s sensationalist nonsense. |  | | |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 16:22 - Mar 13 with 1825 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Nice that everything has worked out so that those lovely socially conscious pundits can rhapsodise about Newcastle bombing Yemen (or beating Southampton, I forget which) and Gary can promote Alistair 'Dossier' Campbell's latest podcast.  | | | |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 16:32 - Mar 13 with 1787 views | QPR_Jim |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 16:06 - Mar 13 by essextaxiboy |
Wasnt the regime in Germany rounding up and persecuting people who were already resident there rather than people trying to get there ?
I may be wrong but it doesnt seem like an accurate comparison . |
You're exactly right, but I don't think that's the comparison that Lineker was getting at.
I'm assuming they didn't go rounding up and persecuting people who were an established part of their society overnight, they had to slowly turn opinion against them so people wouldn't stop them, using language and fear. Linekers point is that the government are using language and fear in a similar way to get support for their plans on immigration.
What he's not saying is that the policy is comparable to Nazi policy, I find it weird that people are tying to say that he is.
It's not as sinister as that, the government are simply trying to put attention onto immigration to make it the big issue that needs sorting so that they can say they'll be far better than any other party at sorting it, it's the only way they can improve their image. After all it won't end well for them if they try to claim they should be the party to sort out the economy or strikes given what we've seen in the last 6 months. |  | | |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 16:38 - Mar 13 with 1767 views | stowmarketrange |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 15:57 - Mar 13 by daveB |
Didn't he go as part of the BBC so not sure he got any extra money out of going, was just part of his job. |
I’m sure he could’ve got out of going if he’d wanted to.He is supposed to be freelance too isn’t he? |  | | |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 16:47 - Mar 13 with 1747 views | derbyhoop |
I'm struggling to think of any Conservative figures who were cancelled by the BBC, apart from Enoch Powell. In fact, Farage, Nick Griffin and Paul ??? we're regular panellists on #BBCQT. |  |
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| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 16:57 - Mar 13 with 1702 views | GloryHunter |
This just in from that notoriously liberal left-wing outlet, The Daily Telegraph:
Whether or not you like or agree with Lineker, it has to be good news for the country that the BBC and Government cannot control what people can and can’t say about their own personal views. Ultimately, they are nothing to do with his work as a football host. |  | | |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 17:27 - Mar 13 with 1627 views | derbyhoop |
Don't be ridiculous.
Linekers comment was about the language used. Braverman's use of language like "invasion" is not dissimilar to some of the language used to demonise minority groups in 1930s Germany. | |
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| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 17:40 - Mar 13 with 1581 views | QPR_Jim |
Thousands would be a good start instead of millions or billions as Braverman has said. | | | |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 17:48 - Mar 13 with 1554 views | derbyhoop |
For a single word - desperate or, even, claimants.
But you choose between refugees, asylum seekers or economic migrants. Before that, you'd need to establish their true status. That requires a working system of justice. | |
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| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 17:51 - Mar 13 with 1549 views | R_from_afar |
Ironically, you have just answered your own question because you managed to describe the situation without needing to use the word invasion. |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 18:11 - Mar 13 with 1489 views | daveB |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 16:38 - Mar 13 by stowmarketrange |
I’m sure he could’ve got out of going if he’d wanted to.He is supposed to be freelance too isn’t he? |
you can make the same argument for every footballer, manager, coach, pundit, presenter and reporter who went. Not as though he was the only one, I don't think anyone actually boycotted the thing although may be wrong |  | | |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 18:17 - Mar 13 with 1461 views | Konk |
Some would argue that only people “completely hysterical” about illegal immigration would use the word “invasion” to describe a situation where a total of 45,000 asylum seekers and economic migrants arrived illegally in the UK by small boats in 2022. Not saying it’s not an issue that needs to be addressed for a number of reasons, but 45,000 people entering a country of 65,000,000+ armed with the clothes on their backs, because they’re hoping for a safer/more prosperous life for themselves and their families isn’t exactly Blitzkrieg, D-Day, or Russia pummelling the fuc k out of Ukraine is it? Unless, of course, you’re “completely hysterical” about illegal immigration. |  |
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| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 18:41 - Mar 13 with 2957 views | Konk |
Yes, Clive, because Motson describing a euphoric pitch invasion with a load of giddy school kids celebrating an FA cup giant-killing, definitely has the same vibe as when this government talk of ‘invasion’ by illegal immigrants and stand in front of “STOP THE BOATS” podiums whilst trying not to be outflanked by Nigel Farage and his Dad’s Army binoculars home guard schtick. | |
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| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 19:15 - Mar 13 with 2822 views | Konk |
This is my last post on the subject because engaging with you is a fool’s errand, and surely even you can see that the context is relevant?
If you use the word “invasion” to describe giddy teenagers running on the pitch during an FA cup giant-killing tie it’s clearly not meant in the same negative, emotive way as when talking about “waves of illegal immigrants” “invading our shores” is it? Or is Suella Braverman trying to invoke the sense of youthful exuberance witnessed at Edgar Street? Immigration - legal and illegal (as we saw with unrestricted movement within the EU) - makes a section of this country’s population very angry. I’d have hoped politicians would therefore avoid using emotive hyperbole when discussing the issue. | |
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| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 20:33 - Mar 13 with 2704 views | stowmarketrange |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 18:11 - Mar 13 by daveB |
you can make the same argument for every footballer, manager, coach, pundit, presenter and reporter who went. Not as though he was the only one, I don't think anyone actually boycotted the thing although may be wrong |
But he is the one spouting off from his high horse when it suits him,but he didn’t exactly stand up for the migrant workers killed building the stadia for the World Cup that he personally profited from by staying away. | | | |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 20:33 - Mar 13 with 2687 views | Ranger_Things |
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| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 01:05 - Mar 14 with 2491 views | SydneyRs |
What he said was the language being used by the Govt was similar to that in 1930s Germany. Which it is. He did not use the word Nazi or call anyone that.
The Nazis were around for many years before the horrors of the holocaust and they reached a position of absolute power by sowing division, hate, fear and mistrust of a certain section of the community. From there they were able to move onto what they later did with little or no dissent.
The UK government is in crisis and heading towards a heavy defeat at the next election. Deservedly so as they are the most incompetent government in my lifetime by a very long way. The calibre of people they have had in top jobs (Johnson, Braverman, Patel, Rees-Mogg, Truss, Hancock, Dorries etc) is nothing short than a complete embarrassment to what was a great country.
They know they're in big trouble. Brexit has proved to be the abject failure many of us knew it would be, so they can no longer rely on the jingoism around that to carry them through in spite of their shortcomings. Johnson was so openly dishonest and dodgy as PM it might as well have been some sort of satirical comedy show along the lines of Alan B'stard in the New Statesman. Even many of the most blind followers of the last few years are seeing through them now.
They've banked everything on flags, proclaimed love of Britain (while deliberately making the country poorer for their own personal gain) and a sense of patriotism. This worked in getting brexit over the line but the reality of that huge con is sinking in now.
So what do they have left? Their economic record is terrible, brexit is a failure that has delivered no positives. They screwed up the handling of the pandemic (particularly early on when the PM was skipping meetings and inertia dominated) allowing far too many deaths to occur before the arrival of vaccines finally helped get on top of it. Power prices are out of control, interest rates rising fast, inflation rampant. There are thousands of "small boat' arrivals.
All of this has happened under their watch. None of it can be blamed on other parties who have played no part in government for many years. So all they have left is to try and re-stir this jingoism that won them the last election. Only the catalyst for that, brexit, has now happened and isn't working.
So they need something else. And this is what they've chosen. To deliberately try to create division and place themselves as the protectors of sovereignty. Because they have nothing else. No talent in the top echelons of the party, no actual successes to talk about, no innovative policies to make anything better for ordinary people. Just drum up race based hate, using tactics similar to those used in 1930s depression ravaged Germany. Blame someone else, create hate of that group and try to cling on to power that way.
Right of centre politics are not my bag, but I can understand why some people prefer these ideas and there is definitely some merit to those arguments. However, what we are currently seeing is not right of centre, its extremism which in any form, including the old 'loony left', is no good for anyone.
This extremism currently dominates much of the UK media, who don't care about consequences as long as they get clicks, the resulting revenue and the Govt they want. Therefore voices such as Lineker's are more important than ever.
There's been a lot of noise from both sides following his remarks, but from what I've seen its very much dominated by support for him. This gives me encouragement that the broader UK population are better than this Govt and sh1trags like the Daily Mail, Sun etc. [Post edited 15 Mar 2023 6:23]
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| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 07:27 - Mar 14 with 2355 views | distortR |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 01:05 - Mar 14 by SydneyRs |
What he said was the language being used by the Govt was similar to that in 1930s Germany. Which it is. He did not use the word Nazi or call anyone that.
The Nazis were around for many years before the horrors of the holocaust and they reached a position of absolute power by sowing division, hate, fear and mistrust of a certain section of the community. From there they were able to move onto what they later did with little or no dissent.
The UK government is in crisis and heading towards a heavy defeat at the next election. Deservedly so as they are the most incompetent government in my lifetime by a very long way. The calibre of people they have had in top jobs (Johnson, Braverman, Patel, Rees-Mogg, Truss, Hancock, Dorries etc) is nothing short than a complete embarrassment to what was a great country.
They know they're in big trouble. Brexit has proved to be the abject failure many of us knew it would be, so they can no longer rely on the jingoism around that to carry them through in spite of their shortcomings. Johnson was so openly dishonest and dodgy as PM it might as well have been some sort of satirical comedy show along the lines of Alan B'stard in the New Statesman. Even many of the most blind followers of the last few years are seeing through them now.
They've banked everything on flags, proclaimed love of Britain (while deliberately making the country poorer for their own personal gain) and a sense of patriotism. This worked in getting brexit over the line but the reality of that huge con is sinking in now.
So what do they have left? Their economic record is terrible, brexit is a failure that has delivered no positives. They screwed up the handling of the pandemic (particularly early on when the PM was skipping meetings and inertia dominated) allowing far too many deaths to occur before the arrival of vaccines finally helped get on top of it. Power prices are out of control, interest rates rising fast, inflation rampant. There are thousands of "small boat' arrivals.
All of this has happened under their watch. None of it can be blamed on other parties who have played no part in government for many years. So all they have left is to try and re-stir this jingoism that won them the last election. Only the catalyst for that, brexit, has now happened and isn't working.
So they need something else. And this is what they've chosen. To deliberately try to create division and place themselves as the protectors of sovereignty. Because they have nothing else. No talent in the top echelons of the party, no actual successes to talk about, no innovative policies to make anything better for ordinary people. Just drum up race based hate, using tactics similar to those used in 1930s depression ravaged Germany. Blame someone else, create hate of that group and try to cling on to power that way.
Right of centre politics are not my bag, but I can understand why some people prefer these ideas and there is definitely some merit to those arguments. However, what we are currently seeing is not right of centre, its extremism which in any form, including the old 'loony left', is no good for anyone.
This extremism currently dominates much of the UK media, who don't care about consequences as long as they get clicks, the resulting revenue and the Govt they want. Therefore voices such as Lineker's are more important than ever.
There's been a lot of noise from both sides following his remarks, but from what I've seen its very much dominated by support for him. This gives me encouragement that the broader UK population are better than this Govt and sh1trags like the Daily Mail, Sun etc. [Post edited 15 Mar 2023 6:23]
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Your last line - I may support his right to say what he wants, but that doesn't mean I agree with what he says. Yes/no polls show no nuance.
Edit - there are different ways of suppressing speech. One is to directly ban people from saying things, another is to cast aspersions on anyone who has opinions you don't like (Nazi, racist etc). That doesn't in any way change their opinions, it just stops them from expressing them or debating them outside known colleagues. The result will only be resentment and a hardening of opinions. This, I believe, is one reason why 'right' of the centre opinions are understated in polls.
So, I can support Lineker's right to an opinion, I can have empathy with refugee's, but believe people coming over on small boats needs to be stopped for a variety of reasons, including the fact that it is enabling human traffickers and putting the boat people's lives at risk.
What Lineker doesn't do is tell us his solution to this 'problem'. Does he want an open border policy? It's all a bit disingenuous, imho.
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| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 15:07 - Mar 14 with 2115 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 07:27 - Mar 14 by distortR |
Your last line - I may support his right to say what he wants, but that doesn't mean I agree with what he says. Yes/no polls show no nuance.
Edit - there are different ways of suppressing speech. One is to directly ban people from saying things, another is to cast aspersions on anyone who has opinions you don't like (Nazi, racist etc). That doesn't in any way change their opinions, it just stops them from expressing them or debating them outside known colleagues. The result will only be resentment and a hardening of opinions. This, I believe, is one reason why 'right' of the centre opinions are understated in polls.
So, I can support Lineker's right to an opinion, I can have empathy with refugee's, but believe people coming over on small boats needs to be stopped for a variety of reasons, including the fact that it is enabling human traffickers and putting the boat people's lives at risk.
What Lineker doesn't do is tell us his solution to this 'problem'. Does he want an open border policy? It's all a bit disingenuous, imho.
[Post edited 14 Mar 2023 8:30]
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The solution is analogous to our home 0-6 bum gobbing by Newcastle in 2016. Jonjo Shelvey taking the role of the traffickers and the rest of the team taking the role of refugees with an aim of beating QPR.
QPR went about the task of using our sub par team to stem the flow when the solution was to use Jordan Cousins to cut off Shelvey's involvement in the game. IIRC, all the goals came from this route.
The refugees aren't the real issue, the traffickers are, but no-one seems to want to admit that. It would also be a damn sight cheaper to have a safe, legal system of refugee status application, based in France with their approval, but then the government would have to stop their right wing dog whistling wouldn't they? Turn the hatred towards the refugees in small boats but aid and abet the members of the House of Lords in their small boat to disappear abroad with millions of tax payers money.
As someone said before, it's not the people arriving in boats from abroad that are the problem in this country, it is the people leaving Eton that are the problem. |  |
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| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 16:41 - Mar 14 with 1998 views | easthertsr |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 01:05 - Mar 14 by SydneyRs |
What he said was the language being used by the Govt was similar to that in 1930s Germany. Which it is. He did not use the word Nazi or call anyone that.
The Nazis were around for many years before the horrors of the holocaust and they reached a position of absolute power by sowing division, hate, fear and mistrust of a certain section of the community. From there they were able to move onto what they later did with little or no dissent.
The UK government is in crisis and heading towards a heavy defeat at the next election. Deservedly so as they are the most incompetent government in my lifetime by a very long way. The calibre of people they have had in top jobs (Johnson, Braverman, Patel, Rees-Mogg, Truss, Hancock, Dorries etc) is nothing short than a complete embarrassment to what was a great country.
They know they're in big trouble. Brexit has proved to be the abject failure many of us knew it would be, so they can no longer rely on the jingoism around that to carry them through in spite of their shortcomings. Johnson was so openly dishonest and dodgy as PM it might as well have been some sort of satirical comedy show along the lines of Alan B'stard in the New Statesman. Even many of the most blind followers of the last few years are seeing through them now.
They've banked everything on flags, proclaimed love of Britain (while deliberately making the country poorer for their own personal gain) and a sense of patriotism. This worked in getting brexit over the line but the reality of that huge con is sinking in now.
So what do they have left? Their economic record is terrible, brexit is a failure that has delivered no positives. They screwed up the handling of the pandemic (particularly early on when the PM was skipping meetings and inertia dominated) allowing far too many deaths to occur before the arrival of vaccines finally helped get on top of it. Power prices are out of control, interest rates rising fast, inflation rampant. There are thousands of "small boat' arrivals.
All of this has happened under their watch. None of it can be blamed on other parties who have played no part in government for many years. So all they have left is to try and re-stir this jingoism that won them the last election. Only the catalyst for that, brexit, has now happened and isn't working.
So they need something else. And this is what they've chosen. To deliberately try to create division and place themselves as the protectors of sovereignty. Because they have nothing else. No talent in the top echelons of the party, no actual successes to talk about, no innovative policies to make anything better for ordinary people. Just drum up race based hate, using tactics similar to those used in 1930s depression ravaged Germany. Blame someone else, create hate of that group and try to cling on to power that way.
Right of centre politics are not my bag, but I can understand why some people prefer these ideas and there is definitely some merit to those arguments. However, what we are currently seeing is not right of centre, its extremism which in any form, including the old 'loony left', is no good for anyone.
This extremism currently dominates much of the UK media, who don't care about consequences as long as they get clicks, the resulting revenue and the Govt they want. Therefore voices such as Lineker's are more important than ever.
There's been a lot of noise from both sides following his remarks, but from what I've seen its very much dominated by support for him. This gives me encouragement that the broader UK population are better than this Govt and sh1trags like the Daily Mail, Sun etc. [Post edited 15 Mar 2023 6:23]
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Now, that is a perfect summation of where we are politically! Top post, difficult to argue against a word you wrote! | | | |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 17:10 - Mar 14 with 1915 views | Juzzie |
Braverman said the other week that if you don't agree with the government's ideas you are "unpatriotic". She said the same in late 2020 about the Internal Market Bill.
The moment anyone (left, right, middle, whatever) says this that suggests to me that they have lost the plot if they have to resort to such tactics, tactics I expect from Putin, Trump and pretty much any other dictator.
if the UK government is going down this road then we're more fked than already thought. |  | | |
| Lineker dropped from MOTD on 10:37 - Mar 15 with 1636 views | StreathamRanger |
Trigger warning. Might not be to everyone's tastes but some interesting thoughts from Michael Rosen.
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