| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus 14:35 - Dec 27 with 13076 views | westside |
What a horrible looking place when you drive past it.
There was a big grass open space square in the middle where you could see the other buildings around like the hall and tower but they have just stuck an awful looking building on it.
New campus opportunity ruined by awful design and planning. [Post edited 27 Dec 2019 14:36]
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| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 09:54 - Jan 1 with 1906 views | sg1912 |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 09:42 - Jan 1 by Kilkennyjack |
If. We. Waited. For. UK. Govt. To. Fund. It. Then. It. Would. Not. Exist.
It only exists because the nice European people funded it.
There is no Brexit dividend , of course, as the uk economy will contract directly resulting in less taxes being paid.
Happy to help. |
... your entire argument is based on the hypothetical scenario of the U.K. government withholding funds.
Guess who’s funding the regeneration of the city centre? |  | | |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 11:06 - Jan 1 with 1869 views | Professor |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 09:30 - Dec 30 by AnotherJohn |
Leaving aside the issue of aesthetics, there are some contentious claims on this thread. Funding for the Bay Campus comes from a mix of sources, and loans as well as grants. Funding channeled through EU schemes is very significant, but many posters steadfastly refuse to understand what the UK's status as a net contributor means. Although some UK universities do receive large numbers of students from EU countries their financial importance to Swansea University is much less than that of non-EU overseas students. The HESA figures for 2017-18 show the University had 16,765 UK students, 2700 from non-EU countries, and 950 from other EU countries. EU students pay the same fees as home country students, rather than the higher fees paid by non-EU students. For example, an EU student starting a Physics undergraduate degree this year will pay £9000 p.a., while a non-EU student will pay £19,500 p.a., and the respective Ph.D. fees are £4,400 and £20,800 p.a. [Post edited 30 Dec 2019 9:59]
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Yes. Non-EU is the money spinner and this is unlikely to change with Brexit. What will and has changed is access to EU research funds- even if technically we are still allowed to apply, we are just getting excluded from the multi-national consortia that get this money.
Would need to massively increase UKRI budget to maintain funding at current level. Also a huge danger of this being sucked up by the Oxbridge-London Golden Triangle and money pits like the Crick Institute.
The Bay Campus is pretty good and fits with Swansea’s rise in reputation and quality. I was impressed when visiting for Open Day. There are many universities more exposed to requiring international students- a number of the Russell Group have international campuses which in many cases are subject to the whim of the Chinese government. Money in HE is going on more layers of management, bureaucracy and vanity projects including dumb ideas of VCs like London Campuses which attract fewer students than staff | | | |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 11:14 - Jan 1 with 1855 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 09:54 - Jan 1 by sg1912 |
... your entire argument is based on the hypothetical scenario of the U.K. government withholding funds.
Guess who’s funding the regeneration of the city centre? |
No, nothing hypothetical.
Factually the UK govt did not fund it.
They could have.
They also chose not to fund the rail electrification to Swansea, and they did not fund the proposed Swansea tidal lagoon.
See the pattern ?
The nice European people released funds to help our poor area.
Wales is poor because of Westminster. |  |
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| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 11:21 - Jan 1 with 1851 views | Treorchyjack |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 11:06 - Jan 1 by Professor |
Yes. Non-EU is the money spinner and this is unlikely to change with Brexit. What will and has changed is access to EU research funds- even if technically we are still allowed to apply, we are just getting excluded from the multi-national consortia that get this money.
Would need to massively increase UKRI budget to maintain funding at current level. Also a huge danger of this being sucked up by the Oxbridge-London Golden Triangle and money pits like the Crick Institute.
The Bay Campus is pretty good and fits with Swansea’s rise in reputation and quality. I was impressed when visiting for Open Day. There are many universities more exposed to requiring international students- a number of the Russell Group have international campuses which in many cases are subject to the whim of the Chinese government. Money in HE is going on more layers of management, bureaucracy and vanity projects including dumb ideas of VCs like London Campuses which attract fewer students than staff |
Swansea has heavily relied on EU research (aswell as EU structural) funds in the past decade or so. Some academics have seen this as an easy way to attract research income instead of targeting highly competitive UKRI funding schemes. There are small pockets of success, in particular with EPRSC, but I fear there will be challenging times ahead... | | | |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 11:39 - Jan 1 with 1830 views | sg1912 |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 11:14 - Jan 1 by Kilkennyjack |
No, nothing hypothetical.
Factually the UK govt did not fund it.
They could have.
They also chose not to fund the rail electrification to Swansea, and they did not fund the proposed Swansea tidal lagoon.
See the pattern ?
The nice European people released funds to help our poor area.
Wales is poor because of Westminster. |
By the same logic the EU also refused to fund electrification and the tidal lagoon.
We are net contributors, you seem to have us confused with some Eastern European slum that relies on handouts from Germany. | | | |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 11:40 - Jan 1 with 1828 views | Professor |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 11:21 - Jan 1 by Treorchyjack |
Swansea has heavily relied on EU research (aswell as EU structural) funds in the past decade or so. Some academics have seen this as an easy way to attract research income instead of targeting highly competitive UKRI funding schemes. There are small pockets of success, in particular with EPRSC, but I fear there will be challenging times ahead... |
Yes. Swansea has been good at this- as much as the right infrastructure to get EU money as the research behind it. Most of my funding has been BBSRC but also reliant on GCRF money which may well dry up with the axe over DfID. Though that would stop double counting of aid and research money | | | |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 12:26 - Jan 1 with 1804 views | ItchySphincter |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 11:39 - Jan 1 by sg1912 |
By the same logic the EU also refused to fund electrification and the tidal lagoon.
We are net contributors, you seem to have us confused with some Eastern European slum that relies on handouts from Germany. |
The UK may be net contributors but we here in Wales have seen more benefits than we’ll ever get from Westminster. I suppose you think we don’t make our on laws either? |  |
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| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 12:50 - Jan 1 with 1792 views | sg1912 |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 12:26 - Jan 1 by ItchySphincter |
The UK may be net contributors but we here in Wales have seen more benefits than we’ll ever get from Westminster. I suppose you think we don’t make our on laws either? |
Are you sure about that?
Wales is the one of the biggest net receivers in terms of Westminster social/infrastructure funding. | | | |
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| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 13:03 - Jan 1 with 1782 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 12:26 - Jan 1 by ItchySphincter |
The UK may be net contributors but we here in Wales have seen more benefits than we’ll ever get from Westminster. I suppose you think we don’t make our on laws either? |
Correct , 100 per cent. | |
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| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 13:10 - Jan 1 with 1779 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 12:50 - Jan 1 by sg1912 |
Are you sure about that?
Wales is the one of the biggest net receivers in terms of Westminster social/infrastructure funding. |
Trains is a good example.
England and Wales entity gets £100 , say, and all spent on hs2 in england.
Fair funding then generates £10 for Scotland and £5 for the north of Ireland.
Nothing for Wales as we are seen as entity ‘England and Wales’.
So the poorest part of the uk (wales) subsidises the richest part (england).
In addition, the resultant better transport in England draws business away from Wales.
Therefore we are paying not only to get nothing, but in fact to get poorer.
Welcome to the UK and westmonster shafting Wales. | |
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| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 13:14 - Jan 1 with 1773 views | sg1912 |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 13:10 - Jan 1 by Kilkennyjack |
Trains is a good example.
England and Wales entity gets £100 , say, and all spent on hs2 in england.
Fair funding then generates £10 for Scotland and £5 for the north of Ireland.
Nothing for Wales as we are seen as entity ‘England and Wales’.
So the poorest part of the uk (wales) subsidises the richest part (england).
In addition, the resultant better transport in England draws business away from Wales.
Therefore we are paying not only to get nothing, but in fact to get poorer.
Welcome to the UK and westmonster shafting Wales. |
Wales receives £14bn more in funding than it contributes to the U.K.
We only receive £600 million a year from the EU, despite contributing a lot more as a country. | | | |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 14:05 - Jan 1 with 1751 views | exhmrc1 |
What has the UK Government put into Swansea. The Tidal Bay Lagoon promised then reneged upon. Similarly Rail electrification. Planned building of a new railway station at Velindre to quicken the travel from West Wales to CARDIFF bypassing the city and making life more difficult for the city centre. Look at how the EU has contributed. Half of the new Bay Campus and further monies towards the new Computational Foundry there. Funding towards Swansea Vale Industrial Park and also Baglan Energy Park. Part funded the new Bus Station and the city centre roads. Yet you support the belief that the UK Government will somehow replace the lost EU funding despite the evidence showing otherwise. It is clear from the evidence the UK government will spend monies on places where they can win Tory seats which they didnt do in and around Swansea. The Midlands, North and South will see the increased funds. Swansea wont | | | |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 14:30 - Jan 1 with 1730 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 13:14 - Jan 1 by sg1912 |
Wales receives £14bn more in funding than it contributes to the U.K.
We only receive £600 million a year from the EU, despite contributing a lot more as a country. |
We are getting royally shafted by Westmonster.
Stockholm synd ? | |
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| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 14:47 - Jan 1 with 1719 views | sg1912 |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 14:30 - Jan 1 by Kilkennyjack |
We are getting royally shafted by Westmonster.
Stockholm synd ? |
Notice how it doesn't mention Wales as a whole?
Westminster doesn't decide where funds are spent in Wales.
Blame the WAG for centralisation. | | | |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 15:37 - Jan 1 with 1696 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 14:47 - Jan 1 by sg1912 |
Notice how it doesn't mention Wales as a whole?
Westminster doesn't decide where funds are spent in Wales.
Blame the WAG for centralisation. |
No chance.
The blame is with decisions made at Westmonster.
Money for Brexit, illegal wars, bankers bail out, unusable nuclear weapons , but no money for wales.
Westmonster is broken. [Post edited 1 Jan 2020 15:38]
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| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 15:52 - Jan 1 with 1690 views | sg1912 |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 15:37 - Jan 1 by Kilkennyjack |
No chance.
The blame is with decisions made at Westmonster.
Money for Brexit, illegal wars, bankers bail out, unusable nuclear weapons , but no money for wales.
Westmonster is broken. [Post edited 1 Jan 2020 15:38]
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There is money for Wales, all of this information is available on the Internet.
I’ll repeat this one more time (although you won’t listen because you are consumed by a deep hatred of England) ....
“The research for the Wales Fiscal Analysis project, analysing Office for National Statistics (ONS) data, shows public spending in Wales was £14.7bn more than the total amount of taxes collected in 2016 - whereas this year the gap was £13.7bn.” | | | |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 17:39 - Jan 1 with 1644 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 15:52 - Jan 1 by sg1912 |
There is money for Wales, all of this information is available on the Internet.
I’ll repeat this one more time (although you won’t listen because you are consumed by a deep hatred of England) ....
“The research for the Wales Fiscal Analysis project, analysing Office for National Statistics (ONS) data, shows public spending in Wales was £14.7bn more than the total amount of taxes collected in 2016 - whereas this year the gap was £13.7bn.” |
Wanting a fair deal for Wales does not equate to hating anyone.
Grow up.
The market rate for water exported from Wales would plug &6.4 billion per annum.
Plus the corporate taxes of companies like Tesco are treated as wholly England based, so the figures you quote are skewed.
Bottom line is your argument is bollox.
Westminster currently mismanages Wales economy ...so you then blame Wales for it ...and say you cant afford to be independent..... plainly idiotic.
Wales is plenty rich enough. | |
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| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 18:27 - Jan 1 with 1612 views | sg1912 |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 17:39 - Jan 1 by Kilkennyjack |
Wanting a fair deal for Wales does not equate to hating anyone.
Grow up.
The market rate for water exported from Wales would plug &6.4 billion per annum.
Plus the corporate taxes of companies like Tesco are treated as wholly England based, so the figures you quote are skewed.
Bottom line is your argument is bollox.
Westminster currently mismanages Wales economy ...so you then blame Wales for it ...and say you cant afford to be independent..... plainly idiotic.
Wales is plenty rich enough. |
I think you need to grow up and actually research subjects before you go off on your hate filled rants..
Water exports are only £1 billion globally per annum for every country combined.
... unless of course you have some grand idea that will equate a cubic metre of Welsh Water to a barrel of oil? | | | |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 23:09 - Jan 1 with 1567 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 18:27 - Jan 1 by sg1912 |
I think you need to grow up and actually research subjects before you go off on your hate filled rants..
Water exports are only £1 billion globally per annum for every country combined.
... unless of course you have some grand idea that will equate a cubic metre of Welsh Water to a barrel of oil? |
Water will matter more and more of course with global warming.
Can you imagine Saudi oil being taken for nothing ? [Post edited 2 Jan 2020 5:42]
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| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 08:04 - Jan 2 with 1510 views | TailGunner |
I think it looks tidy. | | | |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 12:29 - Jan 2 with 1467 views | westside |
The Computational Foundry is the building and where they have built it has ruined the whole identity and outlook and feel of the Bay Campus by taking away the big green central space.
When you come past the Singleton Park Campus it has a green space in the middle with the buildings all around so you can see in and see all the buildings and see what's going on there where as on the Computational Foundry building has blocked everything off in Bay Campus and taken the green space. | | | |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 16:52 - Jan 2 with 1428 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 13:03 - Jan 1 by Kilkennyjack |
Correct , 100 per cent. |
There are none so blind as EU loving socialist who do not see the EU has no money of it's own. It is all taxpayers money and the UK is a big net contributor. Better for the UK to decide how to spend our own money than unelected bureaucrats in the EU. We just had a people's vote and socialism lost . Get over it and work together for a better UK. | |
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| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 17:17 - Jan 2 with 1411 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 16:52 - Jan 2 by felixstowe_jack |
There are none so blind as EU loving socialist who do not see the EU has no money of it's own. It is all taxpayers money and the UK is a big net contributor. Better for the UK to decide how to spend our own money than unelected bureaucrats in the EU. We just had a people's vote and socialism lost . Get over it and work together for a better UK. |
The struggle has only just started.
Once the promised unicorns dont get delivered, then Boris will run away from the responsibility.
He is a coward, see how he ran away from Andrew Neil.
Brexit has ended the UK.
A free Scotland and a united Ireland are now nailed on certain.
You can thank Boris for that.
Cymru has a clear choice - a Celtic nation like Ireland and Scotland, or Wales-Shire as part of Brexidiot England. My view is pretty clear on that one.
Even Brexidiot England will rejoin the EU within 10 years. Going to be a complete disaster. | |
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| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 17:28 - Jan 2 with 1405 views | howenjack |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 14:47 - Jan 1 by sg1912 |
Notice how it doesn't mention Wales as a whole?
Westminster doesn't decide where funds are spent in Wales.
Blame the WAG for centralisation. |
I am aware of the saying there are lies damned lies and statistics and I have no wish to get into prolonged discussions on the merits or otherwise of EU membership /Funding etc etc.
But That map showing the richest/ poorest regions of northern Europe is not much of and advert for our continued EU membership .
We have one of the top ten richest areas in Europe (Germany have 3, Brussels is one also -quelle surprise! amazing what riches Stella and chocolate production produce) . Inner London might well be further down the rich list if not for Russian and Middle East investment . We also have 9 of the poorest ten areas in Northern Europe and this after more than 40 years of paying into le club. | | | |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 17:54 - Jan 2 with 1385 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swanseaa Uni Bay Campus on 17:28 - Jan 2 by howenjack |
I am aware of the saying there are lies damned lies and statistics and I have no wish to get into prolonged discussions on the merits or otherwise of EU membership /Funding etc etc.
But That map showing the richest/ poorest regions of northern Europe is not much of and advert for our continued EU membership .
We have one of the top ten richest areas in Europe (Germany have 3, Brussels is one also -quelle surprise! amazing what riches Stella and chocolate production produce) . Inner London might well be further down the rich list if not for Russian and Middle East investment . We also have 9 of the poorest ten areas in Northern Europe and this after more than 40 years of paying into le club. |
Very unfair, but entirely the fault of UK govts.
The EU has been trying to help out the poorest areas - like parts of Wales ! | |
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