| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn 14:29 - Jun 5 with 18327 views | QPRDave |
About 10 mins ago they had Harry on saying "Any interference and he is Off!!!
If we don't get him the players he wants he's Off!!!
1st target he wants in .........Wayne Bridge | | | |  |
| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 14:14 - Jun 6 with 2150 views | Rangersw12 |
If selling our soul and having a ground full of tourists and day trippers is the alternative....Championship or lower for me thanks
Stick your overhyped premier league football up your arse
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| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 14:21 - Jun 6 with 2126 views | baz_qpr |
I take it you are quite young, this is the period when we looked like going out of business every day, we had the biggest budget in the league yet failed to win it. Half full grounds dreadful football etc. I'm sorry it was crap, and it was completely unsustainable for the club. | | | |
| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 14:31 - Jun 6 with 2108 views | six_foot_two |
What games to you go to where the ground if full of tourists and day trippers ? | | | |
| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 14:42 - Jun 6 with 2088 views | Rangersw12 |
Where do you think the fans are going to come from to fill this new ground that Fernandes keeps banging on about !
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| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 14:52 - Jun 6 with 2061 views | danehoop |
If you are playing Premiership football in West London they will come. Lot of the Scandi R's I know came to QPR on whim, holiday visit to London or for other fairly indirect reasons. They ended up hooked and coming as regulars for years, irrespective of the divisions we've ended up in. If they hadn't come the first time, that probably wouldn't have happened.
I wasn't aware that we had a special screening process in place to define our required fan type. Must have missed that chapter of the pompous bull pages of my supporters guide. | |
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| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 15:42 - Jun 6 with 1998 views | TW_R |
"Championship or lower for me thanks"
Doesn't that remove the need for a league and the chance of promotion then? If you don't want your team to progress and win things what's the point in going? You may as well just watch the summer friendlies and ignore the rest. | | | |
| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 16:01 - Jun 6 with 1959 views | adhoc_qpr |
IF anyone turns up to support QPR on match day they are welcome as far as i'm concerned.
Even if they are a tourist trying us out or someone who just wanted to go to London based game - they may well catch the bug and become a fully committed fan (although probably not if they went to a home game last season...).
We might mock Fulham's fanbase and neutral stand etc, but a realistic 4 year plan (oo er) for us is to emulate them - promotion to prem, mid-table stability, increased stadium size and fanbase, steadily improving quality on the pitch and a good influx of youth team players breaking through to the 1st team with a sensible wage bill.
Obviously a rich owner had to let them off the hook for large in-house debt to achieve financial stability, but i can imagine we'll be in the same boat looking for TF to do the same! | | | |
| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 16:02 - Jun 6 with 1953 views | VancouverHoop |
Not necessarily. I grew up watching Isthmian and Athenian League "amateur" football. There was no automatic promotion/relegation. To go up or down a club had to be elected or demoted, and it didn't happen all that often. It had little effect on the actual matches though. There were a couple of clubs at the bottom who never seemed to shift, but if anything, rivalries grew stronger through familiarity, and cup games – when you did play teams out of your league – far more important than they are these days. | | | |
| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 16:14 - Jun 6 with 1925 views | TheBlob |
Very nice of you to say so.
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| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 16:57 - Jun 6 with 1883 views | TW_R |
Well, it's a fair point but I meant in terms of watching QPR really.
If you don't want to watch your team try to do the best it can and progress, then the "amateur" type set-up you mention is probably the best option. | | | |
| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 17:19 - Jun 6 with 1853 views | switchingcode |
Harry will be gone by July,been planning his exit since march.cant come soon enough for me.Ainsworth deserves a chance | | | |
| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 18:11 - Jun 6 with 1805 views | VancouverHoop |
I do think we all want the team to grow, and the club to be the best it can be. But given the way football is organised these days it makes that hard to define what that means.
You have five or six teams at the top of the Premier League who stand a chance of winning it. There's another 20—30 clubs below them who are, more or less, competitive with each other, but not with the top six. QPR is one of them. Financial rewards aside, what we have to ask ourselves, as supporters, is whether we think it's worthwhile being in the top sixteen of that group. For our owners it is. The Championship has the same exposure internationally as the Evo-Stik Southern League, they can't afford to spend much time there. But in your terms, as someone who is regularly physically present at matches (I only get to see R's games when we're in the Prem [see above]) how much of a sense of exhilaration and achievement is there in avoiding relegation every year? Because for the foreseeable future I think that's what success in the Premier League will mean for us. I believe each season will end, like this one, in despair, or in relief, but any joy will be pretty thinly spread.
I'm actually waiting to see if, or when, one of the 20—25 clubs in the effective second tier ever declines promotion from the Championship. On the face it that sounds stupid because cash-wise the pay-off is so high, but it's possible that someone will decide, that on balance, the light of the Prem isn't worth the price of the candle. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 19:15 - Jun 6 with 1751 views | Antti_Heinola |
Woah, woah, woah there old son. You may be a tactical whizz, but there's some serious bending of ideas going on here. Southampton had big waiting lists? What? When? Arsenal? Not even filling Highbury regularly as late as 1994, possibly later.
There's a lot of nonsense in this thread - particularly the 'football men' stuff, which I've sounded off about before. No one knows what or who these legendary 'football men' are. That's because most of the good ones go into a club as essentially non-football men but learn from experience. Dave Bassett's a football man and look at Sheff U. Terrifying.
Swansea have done great, well done to them. But Swansea were f*cked in a worse way than even we have ever been not so long ago. They're on a fine upward curve. Good for them. But it's much easier to build your base when you've got nothing and a blank canvas and the relatively level playing fields of leagues one and two than when you're fighting to stay in the Premier League without having a proper pre-season of planning because the previous owners played silly buggers all summer.
I see where you are coming from Neil, and I reserve my right to be highly sceptical too, but your words irk me when I know what FANTASTIC work the Community Trust has been doing and is continuing to do, and how much of Warren Farm (if you've read the literature) is going to be lending to the community. To say they have no idea about the community is frankly insulting and above all nonsense. They have certainly gone about building the first team badly. You have no argument there. And frequently their communication and understanding of the fanbase has been poor. But I think they're learning and I think in time they will get a lot better. They're not like football managers - we can't just fire them and find other people. These ARE our people now, and the best we can do is make ourselves heard. They have admitted mistakes and I believe they want to learn and develop. As Dein did. As Levy has.
And I'm sorry but our need for a new stadium is paramount waiting around for another 5 years and then another 5 to build it is wasting time. It's a lovely stadium, but it's cramped and horrible and facilities are useless. That doesn't matter to me, it certainly doesn't matter to Clive, he's made that abundantly clear, but it DOES matter to a lot of other football fans. It's important. Size is another argument, but 30,000 is hardly a ridiculous figure if you want to be ambitious. 45k yes, I think is silly. Design etc, all important.
And as for the spirit and soul changing and 'there's no return' - stop being so melodramatic. We'll all still be here. We're the soul.
I think there's a lot of condescension here, as there is towards managers sometimes too. It's 'Look, this is complex stuff - you don't know how to handle it, but we, us fans, do.' | |
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| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 19:22 - Jun 6 with 1740 views | Antti_Heinola |
It's the new snobbish football fan that has appeared over the last few years, dane. Not very nice. | |
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| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 20:38 - Jun 6 with 1668 views | BasingstokeR |
Agree with a lot of this too especially the "football people" bit.
Dan Ashworth is an exception, not one of many in this country.
Sometimes seems a bit like the QPR constant "new blood" craving is now crossing over from the team and manager towards the board and club staff too. | | | |
| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 21:42 - Jun 6 with 1566 views | CiderwithRsie |
I hate the premiership for its uncompetitive nature, the way it's set up to allow the clubs with most money to dominate, the vast prices which only go into the pockets of agents and mercenaries....
BUT
that doesn't mean I want a team pootling around in mid-table of the lower leagues happily accepting that the likes of C*****a are going to rule the roost forever. The whole point of sport is to excel and I want a QPR team that can play at the highest level possible. | | | |
| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 23:22 - Jun 6 with 1449 views | Neil_SI |
I have no reason to bend ideas, we're just discussing things here, no more, no less and perhaps I've not expressed myself well enough in written form.
I think you're misunderstanding some of my points — I never said big waiting lists for Southampton or Arsenal — but both those clubs reached a point where they were selling out reguarly over a sustained period of time, and had fans who couldn't get tickets for games that ran into reasonable figures relative to those clubs at the time.
I am merely pointing out that we need to sell out more often and on a more consistent basis for a little while longer — is that not some form of common sense? I am not against growth at all — I just want to see it done well.
What I meant by growth is look at The Dell. It had a 15K capacity and when they moved to St Mary's their average attendances looked like this:
2012—13: 30,874 (Premier League)
2011—12: 26,419 (The Championship)
2010—11: 22,160 (League One)
2009—10: 20,982 (League One)
2008—09: 17,849 (The Championship)
2007—08: 22,253 (The Championship)
2006—07: 23,556 (The Championship)
2005—06: 23,614 (The Championship)
2004—05: 30,610 (Premier League)
2003—04: 31,699 (Premier League)
2002—03: 30,680 (Premier League)
2001—02: 30,633 (Premier League)
The early Premier League years doubled their capacity — but that somewhat masked the hardcore/lifers from the casuals, which is better represented by their Championship and League One years. It's risen from the 15K The Dell held to the low 20s — and is a very respectable figure of organic growth. They would have of course picked up some new hardcore/lifers from those Premiership years over a 'generation' period, so that's all good, and of course, something that could happen for us.
What do you think ours will be?
Manchester United are also a good example of upgrading their stadium intelligently. Look at how they've grown and evolved their stadium based on success and demand over time. Perhaps we need to build a 25K or a 30K first, with an upgrade path to higher capacities? But so far all the talk has been about 35K to 45K and there's no real evidence yet that we could do those numbers consistently. That's not to say we won't get there, but we need to work hard to get there (and need some obvious success over a 'generation' period to help facilitate that growth).
The Community Trust do fantastic work, I agree, but that is run by people who understand the history and culture of the club and the area. But, I suppose this raises the obvious point that The Community Trust is a separate entity to the club and became so in 2009. A smart move on Andy Evans' part — it gives that team more freedom and control over their own destiny and their own identity. It also probably means less restrictions imposed on them from the club as well.
When I talk about those kind of matters — I am talking about the owners and upper management who I've met and talked with. It's without malice as well, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that assessment. They are smart businessmen, but they're not football men nor are they sportsmen in my view — though I suppose I make that assumption because I have been able to talk to them one to one on some occasions and have been left with that impression at this time.
From a community perspective — maybe you're right, maybe they do understand and instead they just don't care (which would be worse) or don't view it as a high priority in terms of their business agendas (a shame). For me, I grew up around there, I lived across the road to the stadium. It's my home, it's what I've always known as a kid and is familiar and makes me comfortable.
Indeed, whenever I return to Shepherds Bush, it feels like I am coming home and QPR is the only reason why I go 'home'. The club leaving the area has an impact on the community there — it will also cause struggle for businesses that are heavily reliant on match day trade and on a personal and selfish level, I'd have no reason to go back 'home'.
When I say there's no going back, that's the kind of stuff I am talking about, because all of your regular experiences will change, and some of those places you visit fondly may also not last because of that change. For me, that's a fair concern to have, even if it has to happen. In the end, only if it happens will we really truly appreciate its impact, for better or for worse.
We also did/do have a pretty blank canvas to play with — and the money to do everything beautiful well. There's still opportunity for us — still a chance — and still hope that it will all work out fabulously.
I'm comfortable with my view on things and how I see it, but as ever, am always open to change those thoughts over time and perhaps I've come across negatively in my posts, but I desperately want them and everybody connected to the club to do well.
I suppose really it simply boils down to concerns and worry that it won't go so well and through my experiences and interpretation — I've seen a lot of things that are warning signs for me and raised my alarm bells in a way that hasn't happened for me before. If it doesn't for the next person, then absolutely fair enough. Everybody is entitled to see things their own way and I respect that.
As for the condescension comment, you're pretty wide of the mark in terms of my view personal view about that, and it's certainly not about that for me.
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| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 23:33 - Jun 6 with 1420 views | QPRDave |
Bridge gone to Reading eh? We are about as attractive as a leper in a wind tunnel.
We ain't going up.......another 15 years on the horizon | | | |
| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 01:09 - Jun 7 with 1337 views | Kiwi76 |
Ambivalent about Bridge and way too early to be getting angsty and just reading nonsense article about Harry blowing his stack - he's leaving isn't he and sooner the better if this is going to carry on.
Backed big time in Jan and clearly has support to restructure over summer but choosing to issue these ultimatums every other day - whats modern day equivalent of picking a fight in a phone box?!
Had my backing if commited to fight but getting completely fecked off with this nonsense | | | |
| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 02:54 - Jun 7 with 1311 views | SonofNorfolt |
Patronising supporters of other London teams especially, often say, that we punch above our weight.
Like we did in the '70's, top London club, '74,'75,'76, the '80's, TLC '84, & '88, and even the '90's, TLC '93. Growing up during this time, I realise how much we took this for granted.
Last summer it seemed as if we were on course to certainly be at least as near to a level playing field as we were going to get.
As I make the half century next year, all I would like to see is us actually win something, like Wigan the other week, that could have been us, no more fu cking bridesmaid or plaudits for being a 'nice club' something concrete, or better still silver plate.
I WANT TOP LEVEL FOOTBALL AND A NEW STATE OF THE ART STADIUM WITH A ROOF, AND A TROPHY CABINET WITH MEANINGFUL ITEMS IN IT.
Boll ocks to going to Barnsley on a Tuesday night, I've had enough, so when TF means to take this club forward, I hope that his vision is the same as mine. | | | |
| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 04:54 - Jun 7 with 1284 views | CanadaRanger |
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| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 05:25 - Jun 7 with 1277 views | Landofoz89 |
Harry Redknapp giving it straight to Tony Fernandez via the media.....no suprises there.
As for Wayne Bridge as a potential, it will not do much for Traore's confidence to hear he's being replaced by someone 10 years his senior. | |
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| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 10:15 - Jun 7 with 1222 views | TW_R |
"......how much of a sense of exhilaration and achievement is there in avoiding relegation every year?"
I think that's a fair point, but my expectations of last season were that we were going to build on the "not getting relegated" from the season before. So we go from avoiding relegation to being a good, mid-table footballing side. I want to see QPR play good, attractive football and creating goal scoring chances. I've never expected us to win the top flight - QPR don't do that - but I would be very happy to see us play the kind of football that saw us finish 5th in the Prem back in the 90s. I never went to those games thinking we would beat Leeds or Man Utd, but there was alway a chance because of the way we played.
"I'm actually waiting to see if, or when, one of the 20—25 clubs in the effective second tier ever declines promotion from the Championship. On the face it that sounds stupid because cash-wise the pay-off is so high, but it's possible that someone will decide, that on balance, the light of the Prem isn't worth the price of the candle."
I think you've answered your own question there. Clubs can't afford to turn it down and why would they? You could go up, cash in on the £100 million (or whatever it is now) without spending a penny more, take the cash and drop back down and take 4 seasons of parachute payments. | | | |
| Harry Redknapp Breaking news ssn on 10:25 - Jun 7 with 1201 views | Pommyhoop |
How can anyone say they dont want there team to compete at the highest level possible?Thats just bollx and does'nt make sense.And of course the last 2 years I saw nearly every Rangers game live (Fcuking LIVE!!!) so man up you sour grape whingers amd think of us Expats.! | |
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