Willock? 23:21 - Nov 27 with 10859 views | Wilkinswatercarrier | Did anyone else notice that Willock was laughing and joking with the QPR coaches at the end? I just don't understand some footballers mentality. Bet that goes down well with the Cardiff massive. | | | | |
Willock? on 13:25 - Nov 28 with 3361 views | Myke | Not disputing that areas of Celar's game needs work- not least his hold up play (although tbf that's not his natural game). What I said was his best game in a QPR shirt which I think is indisputable. My real point though it was the wrong thread to be having a dig at him | | | |
Willock? on 13:27 - Nov 28 with 3341 views | sprocket | I find it a little sad, disappointing, perplexing etc... We know he has talent but the edge he had looks like it's gone either because of injury or confidence or lack of interest or whatever but remembering those few months where he was effectively unplayable at this level to where he is now. | | | |
Willock? on 14:08 - Nov 28 with 3214 views | sevenhoop | This. I would hate to see this from one of our players. Gives off the impression of not giving a shit. Probably not just an "impression" either, just doesn't. What a waste of a very good talent. | | | |
Willock? on 17:05 - Nov 28 with 2993 views | Paddyhoops | We all feel a bit a let down when a Player refuses to sign a contract. However we in my opinion have seen and got the best out of him . Saito more than makes up for him as I’m sure will Dembele. | | | |
Willock? on 17:56 - Nov 28 with 2784 views | stainrods_elbow | I agree, though also a little sadly. (I'm a 'both-and' rather than 'either-or' kind of man.) | |
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Willock? on 18:47 - Nov 28 with 2698 views | WestonsuperR | Thoroughly enjoyed the Willock, Willock what’s the score chants at the end, great stuff. Offered a contract but made the decision to go to a rival club, at times his attitude when at Rangers was questionable. Looking at his performance last night and that he can’t get in the Cardiff side I’d say good riddance. | | | |
Willock? on 18:52 - Nov 28 with 2670 views | NorthantsHoop | Exactly, he's no Eze is he! | | | |
Willock? on 21:00 - Nov 28 with 2440 views | BlackCrowe | There was a 12+ month period during end of lockdown and into unlock where i thought we had a genuine replacement for Ebs. And then he got injured i think and came back tentative and then his heart wasn't in it. And still isn't based on yesterday and what Cardiff fans on the messageboards say about him. | |
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Willock? on 08:55 - Nov 29 with 2206 views | gazza1 | He was pretty average to poor when he arrived here, I recall commenting about him. He then had a good season and done some good things. Reverted back very quickly to being a very average player. Injured so much it was farcical, never sure that he had a good attitude (Unlike players like Field)........do not think that he is a big loss overall. | | | |
Willock? on 11:27 - Nov 29 with 2085 views | Myke | Illy and Willi at their best were unplayable at this level - but it was a very brief window. | | | |
Willock? on 11:29 - Nov 29 with 2076 views | joe90 | Best player we've had since Eze but his progress was sadly halted by his injuries. Even when he came back he was still our best player. I have no issue with him going to Cardiff. He's a pro, it's what they do, play for money. As has already been said, we got the best out of him. | | | |
Willock? on 11:46 - Nov 29 with 2044 views | TK1 | Harsh! All players are mercenaries: you'd struggle to pick an eleven from the top two divisions of players who aren't mercenaries. Also "whatever that means for his career". He came to QPR for his career, to play regularly at a decent level. It was mutually beneficial for 18 months or so, but there's no question QPR's management of his body effectively broke his career. Warburton played him at Forest when he was injured and snapped his hamstring. Beale played him too often for too long when he wasn't properly recovered (but still winning games on his own, ie Millwall and Sheff U). His career will never be the same because of QPR's mismanagement of him. Then we had the whole Ainsworth farrago of sticking him on at 93 min of games, playing Kelman instead, etc. What loyalty should he (or a concerned Dad?) have to QPR? And going to Cardiff for a higher wage rather than staying at QPR: I mean, it's much of muchness, career-wise. Going to Saudi is mercenary. Going to Cardiff, a club who finished six places higher - not really a sell-out, is it? | | | |
Willock? on 12:04 - Nov 29 with 1970 views | Ned_Kennedys | Best player since Eze? Not a chance. Had a short period of greatness but was average before and after. | | | |
Willock? on 12:19 - Nov 29 with 1900 views | joe90 | Who's been better? | | | |
Willock? on 12:53 - Nov 29 with 1810 views | numptydumpty | Chair Cook Field... Dykes !!!! 🤣 | |
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Willock? on 13:00 - Nov 29 with 1794 views | joe90 | I think we can agree to disagree on that. | | | |
Willock? on 13:58 - Nov 29 with 1645 views | Northernr | As ever mate, it's a post to provoke some thought. I agree with you on some of it. Particularly the mishandling of his injuries. For Beale, in particular, to admit in a fan meeting that he'd played him earlier than he should for longer than he should, against the opinion of the medical teams, because "we needed to get this thing going" (i.e. Beale needed some results for his CV) was appalling. Completely agree on all footballers move for money, no loyalty, everybody is mercenary etc. Where I diverge is we don't have to like that. Don't expect me to clap you on the back and say 'that's the game'. If we're boiling the job of the footballer down to you go wherever the most money is, then let's boil the job of the football supporter down as well. My loyalty is to QPR, you walk out on them then I'll boo you, shout stuff at you, rejoice when we beat you. Similarly, if you are an Alan McDonald type who sticks around for life, you can expect my adulation in return. That's our job, just as that's theirs. Ainsworth... this is where it gets tricky because obviously there were things said off mic around that time. IMO Ainsworth was completely within his rights, and right, to treat him the way he did - particularly when you're trying to foster dressing room spirit, all in it together, no big time Charlies, complete buy in. When Willock did play for Aisnworth, he was mostly fcking awful - I remember a particularly dire display against Coventry where he cost us a goal doing fancy step overs and giving the ball away. Cardiff... it's a sideways move to a club with no prospects, which he didn't want to move, in a part of the world he didn't want to move to. He has had better opportunities than that over the years, multiple better opportunities, and priced his wage so high that they all fell by the wayside so that in the end he had to take whatever was left and it was them. It's not a well managed career is it, let's be honest? And when you look at what happened to the third Willock brother... | | | |
Willock? on 15:02 - Nov 29 with 1485 views | TheChef | Was he not fully fit when he got injured at Forest? I didn't think that was the case, just that he was unlucky (or rather, got targeted by the Forest players). | |
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Willock? on 15:08 - Nov 29 with 1456 views | Ned_Kennedys | Definitely Chair and Cook, probably Field. JCS better but has a similar injury record. Would say Saito is potentially better than Willock as well based on his start with us. Consistent and fit. | | | |
Willock? on 15:28 - Nov 29 with 1387 views | joe90 | If you compare the stats between Willock and Chair, there's not much between them. Willock - 20 goals and 22 assists in 140 games. Chair - 34 goals and 36 assists in 230 games. Chris actually has a higher 'player score' on who scored - 86.7% vs 82.6%. IMO I think Willock was a better player. I also think, had he not got injured would have surpassed Chair. I can't prove that, but that's my view based on the stats and what I've seen at games. There is a bit of bias on my part, as good as Chair is, I just don't like his style of play. I always thought Willock was technically superior and was better to watch on the ball. All opinions, and I get why some are salty about him leaving. RE: Saito, I do like him. Definitely one of our better signings, but too soon to tell how he will progress. He is playing in a worse side than Willock did, which counts in his favour. [Post edited 29 Nov 2024 15:32]
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Willock? on 15:33 - Nov 29 with 1352 views | kensalriser | Willock's better in theory, Chair's better in practice. | |
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Willock? on 16:11 - Nov 29 with 1203 views | PhilmyRs | The Ainsworth thing I don't get, it annoys me when people pick out some of the "dire displays" stuff and throw it at Willock and why Ainsworth didn't use him. Was at that Cov game, and think Willock came on as a sub from memory, did a mistake trying to make something happen in one of the worst performances of the season, and people start using it as material to support Ainsworth and his actions. What about Ainsworth's failure to use Willock at all? bringing him on in games that were already over for a minute or two at the end? Those decisions of Ainsworth made me, and probably others think Willock was just waiting for his contract to expire and didn't care about the team, wouldn't risk anything (injury wise) to help in our survival and would just be half arsed if played...how wrong we were. The new manager came in and restored Willock to the team and Willock started to perform and add value, and in my opinion was a major reason we stayed up. He wasn't vintage Willock, but he worked hard and put in some decent performances - Preston away springs to my mind where it certainly wasn't a performance of a player not looking to help the team. So, you may look it as Ainsworth being absolutely right in his management of Willock, I look at it as a failure to utilise a key resource, which was proven to be the case when Marti arrived and got a tune out of him. | | | |
Willock? on 16:25 - Nov 29 with 1172 views | Northernr | You're maybe right. I personally think he was phoning it in at that stage. It's probably more a discussion for over a beer than on here tbh. | | | |
Willock? on 17:22 - Nov 29 with 1039 views | PhilmyRs | Agreed. Les or Christian? Is Madsen a classy act that will come good? Saito or Chair? Is Sam Field really that good? We won’t ever progress with Jimmy D at right back? Could Frey and Celar play together? I’ve seen better semi-pros then Paul Smyth, but he’s quick? What was the point of Niko Hamalainen… Yep, reckon although the football’s rubbish, there’s quite a few things that would be better discussed over a beer with this Rangers side. Talking of which, that's me done for the day, time for the pub. | | | |
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