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Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 09:33 - Nov 20 with 733 views

Boundy

Its his human right don't you know.

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 10:45 - Nov 20 with 701 views

I’ve been reading the KCs submissions.
I don’t think I can append them here
It would make me very angry and it wouldn’t help this site
As I’ve said many times,who would be a barrister literally looking to release earlier a child killer
The kids rights not important
He should have been topped

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Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 12:04 - Nov 20 with 674 views

raynor94

Baffling, he's been convicted by his peers, his sentence was handed down, so what on earth is there to appeal about.

So who pays for this appeal?

	You give it out, you take it back it`s all part of the game
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Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 12:14 - Nov 20 with 661 views

“ his legal team”
Team
A man who has never worked in his life having a professor KC no less .

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Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 20:57 - Nov 20 with 586 views

The prosecution has a KC so it is his right to have a person of equal stature represent him.
Human rights have come on a long way since the Victorian times, or even since the miner's strikes of the '80's.
Persuade you should bring your views up to date to match ?
You need

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Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 21:03 - Nov 20 with 577 views

raynor94

With respect what is he actually appealing against?

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Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 21:20 - Nov 20 with 567 views

Rightly or wrongly (given the fact that a poor innocent girl died) he is appealing against the fact that the judge placed too much emphasis on his previous bad character, his lack of remorse and his failure to appear for sentencing.
Whilst to you and me the first is not good and the second and third are deplorable, they are not in themselves reasons to sentence him to a longer than normal sentence.
Whilst he clearly went with the intent to kill, it appears he never actually intended to kill the little girl.
The fact that he did is deplorable and all his actions are something you and I can never understand.
However the judge is different and should ensure the case is judged on it's merit, not on passion.
All that being said, I hope he rots in jail until his dying day and lives a long life to make sure of it
Law allowing of course

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Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 08:49 - Nov 21 with 493 views

That the judge used his clear lack of remorse to inflict a higher sentence
Btw,the cost is borne by the public.
Victorian innit

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Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 08:50 - Nov 21 with 491 views

My views are as a valid as yours
This chap should have been hung
Victorian values weren’t all bad

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Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 09:29 - Nov 21 with 473 views

Boundy

He's appealing against being classed a human not a piece of dog do.

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 09:31 - Nov 21 with 469 views

Boundy

Never mind the rest of whether he loved his granny or not nor was kind to cats ,was it proven that he pull the trigger, the jury said yes .

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 09:38 - Nov 21 with 462 views

He’s a career criminal
These people use the food nature of others for their own ends
I’m STID is a thoroughly decent chap but until one deals with villains like this ,it’s hard not to contain the contempt,the pure hatred for one who sees a young girl as a nonentity or an inconvenience to their chose lifestyle .
It’s why I question the moral dilemma barristers must fact when briefed to defend this . If they don’t have a dilemma ,then they are beneath contempt

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Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 10:18 - Nov 21 with 415 views

Superjan

Out of interest , where have you read the " Kcs submissions " ?

Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 10:45 - Nov 21 with 408 views

In your interest ,it’s out there in the oublic domain ,as are the reasons for appeal against his sentence .
This appeal against the length of time .

Are you suggesting the sentence is excessive or that he was a victim of a miscarriage of justice ?

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Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 10:53 - Nov 21 with 401 views

Gwyn737

I would't suggest that.

I would suggest that the appeal has further tightened the case against this horrible piece of work.

That's a good thing.

Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 10:59 - Nov 21 with 395 views

Gwyn.
His sentence should have been made whole life

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Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 11:09 - Nov 21 with 383 views

Gwyn737

Then that's a sentencing issue, nothing to do with the appeal.

Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 12:43 - Nov 21 with 350 views

Superjan

Not suggesting anything of the sort. I don’t know enough about the case to give an educated opinion as to the merits of an appeal.

Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 23:40 - Nov 21 with 251 views

I am not for one minute suggesting this lowlife doesn't deserve to rot in jail until his dying day.
All I am stating is the law is the law and everyone has a right for it to be applied fairly.
Defending lawyers and QCs can only act on the information supplied to them by the CPS and the accused.
If I told my lawyer I was guilty of a crime, they can only then look to present any mitigating circles. They could not try to suggest I hadn't done it.
However if I pleaded my innocence, then it is their job to do their best to present the evidence to back up my case.
Both sides ( we trust ) work within the framework that the British justice system sets out.
Unlike us members of the public who see all the details of a case virtually from the moment the crime happens and make an instant decision based on whatever we see, read or hear on TV, newspapers, radio or more often now through social media, the courts amd those within them reach a verdict purely on the evidence presented before them.
Innocent until proven guilty is still the maxim we should all live by and the defence lawyers are there to play their part and ensure that is adhered to.
They have to set aside their own personal feelings about the accused and the case.
Otherwise where would any of us be ?
So there is no moral dilemma.
It would be equally easy to say why do the police not arrest all the people who we witness openly breaking the law daily ( dealing drugs, causing mayhem and violence, being drunk and disorderly etc ).
However, as with the courts, we expect them to do their jobs fairly and with a balanced attitude

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Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 09:25 - Nov 22 with 205 views

Decent responses thanks
I don’t disagree with much of that

What I am musing over is the dilemma a barrister might feel about one so evil using all the public funds available to have him released earlier .

The bottom line is this.

If this appeal is successful,it means he could be out earlier . It’s not the length of the sentence ,just the fact this killer can feel he has won something . The families have suffered enough .

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Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 23:59 - Nov 22 with 91 views