| MC has got to go 21:59 - Nov 5 with 52294 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Sorry, but that has done it for me.
You don't put a right footed player, you don't trust, at left back, yet leave your left footed defender at right back.
Fcking stupid.
A shapeless, gutless performance. Players walking, not challenging, arguing with each other. No shape, no desire.
Something has to happen and fast as we have relegation written all over us.
***having had a good night's sleep, I don't want MC sacked, I just can't sit through this anymore. I actually hate this club at the moment.*** [Post edited 6 Nov 6:38]
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| MC has got to go on 12:12 - Nov 13 with 2011 views | JamesB1979 |
The no due diligence being done it just pure guesswork. He was much more senior than an Associate or even an Associate Director at Deloitte. Either Partner or maybe Director level.
He’s got a lot to answer for and he’s clearly partly to blame but so are others, including the players, Marti, Belk and the board.
The fact he’s young and posh shouldn’t come into any judgement on him. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 12:21 - Nov 13 with 1953 views | Northernr |
The fact he's too young is a huge part of the problem.
He doesn't have the requisite experience for this job.
QPR is a tough club. It has repeatedly chewed and spat out managers and execs. Some pretty big names among them as well.
Whatever anybody thinks of Lee Hoos, he is vastly experienced in the game in this country, had been CEO at a variety of clubs, and even under him the best we could do is tread water.
This is not, and never was, a job for a 26 year old who'd never done the job before.
Everything we're seeing now goes back to that. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 12:28 - Nov 13 with 1861 views | JamesB1979 |
Agree but we can’t use his age as reason to criticise him. Criticise those who appointed him when so young. I do believe if he was older and sounded less posh, whether people wouldn’t be so critical of him after 12 months in the job. [Post edited 13 Nov 12:29]
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| MC has got to go on 13:09 - Nov 13 with 1596 views | lassel |
He is a guy with at best a couple of years work experience in his life and even that in shadowy/questionable circumstances.
To suggest he is in seniority level at a Big 4 Partner level is almost as generous as QPR giving him a job. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 13:10 - Nov 13 with 1544 views | stainrods_elbow |
Yes, we can all probably agree we need experience, know-how, and above all a cohesive team with a single unified vision, by people who gets results, across the Academy, recruitment and 1st team. That's fairly uncontroversial. Then again, Marti is a young(ish) manager with a mixed/modest record and no experience of the Champ (or English football) before he came to us, and he steered us to safety - just - so he seems to buck the trend right there.
I don't necessarily buy, or even understand, why QPR is a 'tough club' for some mystical reasons to do with its unspecified - and untestable - footballing DNA. Warnock came in and in the twinkling of an eye showed what can be done with a modicum of competence, vision and passion, plus a magical sprinkle of bat terror. Most football clubs spit out managers and staff sooner or later - it's the nature of the insane football business! And if we'e only been 'treading water' under Hoos and his colleagues for so long, the most plausible hypothesis, regardless of his one or two roles in he game, is that he and others in the end have not been all that in their job. (Before the usual suspects pile in, I know he helped us acquire the training ground, so I'll give him credit for that.)
The main issues at Rangers are, for many years, an embedded footballing inferiority complex, an inability to develop/profit on players, a distinctly hit and miss recruitment policy (and pathological incapacity to acquire or develop goalscoring forwards going back years), and a lack of consistent joined-up thinking across the footballing operation. It all needs a lot of fixes at the same time! On the other hand, a lot of our problems are found, to varying degrees, the height and depth of the footballing pyramid.
However much the club means to all of us subjectively, objectively speaking we're not particularly special or unusual, and, as you've said yourself, Clive, football is cyclical, not mystical. [Post edited 13 Nov 13:11]
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| MC has got to go on 13:13 - Nov 13 with 1541 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
We all agree the problems at QPR come from the top and its getting steadily worse year by year .
If Marti was our saviour in the Spring and we played some beautiful football while zooming away from the drop he has not forgot how to coach.
It all comes down to injuries IMO and having those experienced and tough players sitting in the stand is too much to overcome so far.
I know we are playing some shocking slop at the minute but not only is our starting 11 weak but the bench is not good either.
We have to let Marti stay until his full squad are fit then see if things change if not drop the ax | | | |
| MC has got to go on 13:23 - Nov 13 with 1437 views | derbyhoop |
We need to keep Marti while, hopefully, senior players return from injury. He's not suddenly become a poor coach.
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| MC has got to go on 13:29 - Nov 13 with 1370 views | Northernr |
That's because if he was older he'd have more experience.
He's not experienced enough for this job. That's the problem. That's why he's getting the grief. Not some weird ageist discrimination against the young. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 13:34 - Nov 13 with 1310 views | PlanetHonneywood |
I know it's been asked before: but I wonder if any of the high-ups in the circus ever read these sites?
If so or even if not, I'd love to be a fly on the wall of what ever the hell is going on at Queens Pyongyang Rangers at the moment. I bet you could play the Benny Hill theme tune over it all as the Keystone Cops run around below you utterly clueless. | |
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| MC has got to go on 13:35 - Nov 13 with 1300 views | JamesB1979 |
He was Managing Partner at Retexo who have some impressive clubs on their CV. To say he’s an Associate level at Deloitte is also way off the mark. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 13:43 - Nov 13 with 1261 views | Hunterhoop |
James, that is a ludicrous assertion. Are you aware of the experience levels required to reach Director or Partner level at the Big 4?
Nourry had 3 years of career experience when he was appointed CEO, and a maximum of 2 years when he began the audit at QPR.
Retexo, I believe, employed only a handful of people. He wasn’t the Founder and Leader. He also performed the audit, doing the leg work, just like an Associate would at the Big 4.
At a push, he might have been at the Senior Associate or Manager level. To suggest Director or Partner level is silly. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 13:49 - Nov 13 with 1200 views | SimplyNico |
I think you are missing the point if you are saying that because he called himself/was called a Managing Partner at/by RETEXO that he has any sort of knowledge or experience. If you are saying that; it is utter nonsense.
The CEO role of a Championship side is all about time served and experience, not what you called yourself previously in your tinpot consulting business. Let's be absolutely clear - RETEXO is not and never has been a big consulting firm. It was three people in their 20s trying to blag it in football, one of whom is apparently mates with the son of a billionaire who owns two clubs (per a very reliable source who used to be a CEO of three professional football clubs).
Nourry has no experience of running football clubs. His chronology is readily assembled from the internet. He was at two good universities (got a first at Trinity, Oxford https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:EU:3e8f9d1a-2590-4a12-9aa4-48fe33ef469c and then went on to Imperial).
He then set up his social media company and was subsequently working for RETEXO (after closing his relatively unsuccessful social media company where he worked for about two years) before then blagging his way in to QPR with a load of nonsense being peddled to the world at large about what he had being doing in football for the last five years (very little, actually).
He is not partner material at any City based consultancy or even in one of the big sports consultancies.
He is a kid who is long on confidence and short on practical experience. It is a disastrous combination.
Moreover, to try and make out that he has some sort of insight into professional football or that he understands recruitment in football, as he does here - https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/christian-nourry-on-being-a-sports-minded-c
is utterly facile. He has got no experience in the game, no coaching badges, nothing. And yet he is running the show. No wonder that Marti is distancing himself from this game model nonsense. Marti is an experienced coach who is having to take orders about football from a kid in a suit who has done nothing in the game and knows nothing about it. And it is also no wonder that we are where we are. We deserve it for giving control to a chancer. [Post edited 13 Nov 13:56]
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| MC has got to go on 13:51 - Nov 13 with 1174 views | Benny_the_Ball |
"Agree but we can’t use his age as reason to criticise him. Criticise those who appointed him when so young."
Nourry's youth belies a lack of work experience required to command a senior director role. No company worth its salt will hire a young person with little to no experience to be its CEO. QPR should be no different and it's an absolute travesty that the owners have put Nourry in post.
"I do believe if he was older and sounded less posh, whether people wouldn’t be so critical of him after 12 months in the job."
If he was older, he'd be more experienced. If that experience were relevant to the role then the hire would make sense. The fact is, he isn't older and he doesn't have the requisite experience so its a moot point.
Sorry to say but I called this the moment that Nourry was hired because it's simple common sense. The fact that some fans continue to defend this appointment just blows my mind. Little wonder that the owners feel they can get away with making such obviously irrational decisions. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 13:51 - Nov 13 with 1176 views | Hunterhoop |
It’s a 3 person company. They began as a recruitment consultancy in the non-playing side of football. Ignore the titles. In a small start up you can call yourself whatever you like.
They have some impressive club badges on their website but you and I don’t know exactly what they did. Hire some fitness coaches? Advise the Board? We know the above about their company. They are tiny.
They did an audit on QPR. He did it. Not a large team of consultants beneath him.
You can believe he was at a Partner level of the Big 4 if you want, but I think you are MILES off the mark there. A couple of close friends are partners at the Big 4. It takes 10-15 years of solid career experience to get there whether you work up through them or parachute in from the private or state sector.
3 years as a recruitment consultant, even for some big football clubs, would not cut it. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 13:57 - Nov 13 with 1106 views | Benny_the_Ball |
You're the only person mentioning that he's posh. Everyone else is judging purely on his lack of experience and credentials for the role of CEO. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 14:00 - Nov 13 with 1093 views | JamesB1979 |
Why are we comparing him with levels in a big 4 accounting firm? It’s not just experience it’s more down to revenue levels you’re being in at these big firms. I would say being Partner of big 4 is way more senior than being CEO or QPR. Wasn’t his position Managing Partner at Retexo? He was obviously doing well at such a young age.
The fact he is young and inexperienced and posh shouldn’t be reasons to criticise him. Criticise those that hired him. You claim they did not diligence? What evidence is there of that?
I’m not denying we are in a poor state. But the blame has to be shared amongst more people than just him. I think if some think about it, Nourry’s communication strategy and being posh means that he gets more grief than he would normally. I do think we have to be more balanced. Do I think we should have appointed him? No. But he’s also not solely responsible for the performances this season. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 14:02 - Nov 13 with 1065 views | JamesB1979 |
I’m not defending his appointment. Far from it. I’m saying that blame for our position seems to be all on Nourry. I don’t think that’s fair. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 14:05 - Nov 13 with 1016 views | Superhoop83 |
This 100%.
The Emperor's New Clothes is being staged at QPR. | |
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| MC has got to go on 14:08 - Nov 13 with 986 views | JamesB1979 |
You can certainly be partner in your 30s. Maybe not equity partner. A Director in late 20s, also possible. But granted I’m thinking (from experience) more of your Grant Thorntons and RSMs.
Do we need to compare to big 4 though? Partner at big 4 is too senior for CEO at qpr I’d say.
Again, to reiterate, I think it is looking like a foolish appointment. But I’m not blaming him for everything either. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 14:11 - Nov 13 with 953 views | Hunterhoop |
You aren’t reading what myself, Benny, Clive, and Simply Nico are posting. Read SimplyNico’s post above.
“Managing Partner” in a 3 person recruitment consultancy does not mean he is successful yet.
No one is criticising him because he is posh - I would probably be described by many as posh - not because he is young, but because he is inexperienced!
It’s obvious the club did no due diligence because when they appointed him they said he had spent half a decade advising major European football clubs. That isn’t true. It has been debunked by Simply Nico using quotes from Nourry himself and following his full time education history. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 14:12 - Nov 13 with 943 views | Benny_the_Ball |
When I was 16 I had a part-time job working the tills at Safeway. My badge stated 'Checkout Assistant'. After a few months, management introduced some changes. New decor, new uniform, new badges. I was performing the same role but my new badge stated 'Senior Customer Services Executive'.
You can call a job what you like, especially when you launch a start-up. At best, a managing partner with limited experience at a small start-up like Retexo is akin to Associate level at a huge global consultancy like Deloitte. Moreover, it doesn't provide the transferable skills or experience required to be CEO of a football club. [Post edited 13 Nov 16:22]
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| MC has got to go on 14:15 - Nov 13 with 921 views | lassel |
Whatever level of knowledge you may believe QPR CEO requires, it’s certainly higher than that of a recruitment consultant with at best 3/4 years of work experience… | | | |
| MC has got to go on 14:17 - Nov 13 with 902 views | Hunterhoop |
Yeah, 10-15 years from starting in your early 20s is mid-late 30s, isn’t it?! I wasn’t saying 30s was unrealistic. You need some maths’ skills for these Partner roles. ;)
He had 3 years on appointment.
Based on what Lee Hoos was earning, I’d say CEO is equivalent to a Partner level at the Big 4…not a 20 year partner (agree they’d earn far more), but a 5 year partner.
Nourry will be on a lot less than Hoos, but still at an experienced Director or 1-2 year Partner level. That would be my guess. Not bad after 3 years as a recruitment consultant. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 14:18 - Nov 13 with 900 views | 1JD |
You’ve been duped and conned like the owners were.
Retexo was a 2-man band, consisting of Nourry and his mate Charles Gould.
Nourry, the self styled “Lionel Messi of Football Business” via his media / journalist website, gave himself the grandiose title of Managing Partner for Europe.
More precisely, he was Managing Partner of none. So, as good at it sounds on first glance, no he nowhere near “Partner” level status like at at a Big 4 firm like Deloitte, PWC etc.
He is barely out of uni and prior to QPR - where he has been given the keys to everything - had not even been on a formal payroll, drawing a full-time wage. [Post edited 13 Nov 14:27]
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| MC has got to go on 14:31 - Nov 13 with 780 views | numptydumpty |
I worked for six years for a start up social enterprise for effectively a care recruitment agency.
My main role was as finance co ordinator/director/manager etc but eve though i managed to balance the books successfully over my period 5here and at the very start of the venture too, it's a million years away from the role for a managing director / director of football.
I was in my late 30s at the.time but the switch from that to the role Nourry is doing are so far from.each other
The club collectively lost the plot !! | |
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