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Refwatch: Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 20:58 - Apr 1 with 4253 views
Of course lots of ifs but it was Mitchell failing to holds the ball up (because he's also lightweight) that actually led to him seeing red (in every sense). 2 footed sliding tackle is a card every day in the modern game. Agree about the early play being more forward passes (though most went astray). What's the alternative to Mather - well the player who replaced him today is a good start. Agree EEL good (and Sassi had a much more solid game than last time) and Gordon was excellent - as he has been for a while but disagree about Hayes today - thought he overcarried the ball and almost always finished up losing it.
Problem is there are enough arty farty words in the rules now about recklessness and the like that provide enough leeway to cover refs' behinds. So I'm in the ridiculous position that I thought it was a great tackle, but absolutely would not waste 500 quid appealing it. Money down the drain. If we were a bit closer to the playoffs then might be worth a gamble, but I'd be minded to let this one go with the season petering out.
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Refwatch: Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 12:11 - Apr 2 with 3010 views
Apart from the glaring miss, just a few moments earlier he'd also been outfought (again) for the ball a few yards away, and he was "seeing red" way before the ref produced his card
Bottom line: absolutely no need for such a challenge in that area of the pitch. He got the red his lunge deserved
I saw it in real time exactly as DA describes it. Those on the commentary initially felt similar. ‘He could be in trouble here etc.’
With the benefit of a replay, however, you could see Mitchell was actually a lot more in control of the challenge than first appeared and that the ball wasn’t under the control of Parkes, hence why Mitchell getting to it first propelled it in his direction of travel.
The problem is, any challenge like that these days, where momentum takes you through an opponent, is leaving a player open to a poor call, because it is down to the referee’s interpretation of what constitutes endangering an opponent under the ‘serious foul play’ criteria.
I’ve seen plenty of comments saying: ‘But he won the ball’. Unfortunately, you can still win the ball and have been deemed to have endangered an opponent, meaning you can still be booked/sent off.
Personally, I think, after seeing it again, it was indeed a good old-fashioned, full-blooded challenge for a 50/50 ball. The sort that in the 90s would have been cheered and definitely not attracted the furore it did yesterday. I certainly wouldn’t have interpreted as a red on second viewing.
As has been said in another post, the FA has worded its laws in such a way that it is down to the referee’s interpretation of the incident. Similarly, any appeal would be down to someone else’s interpretation. I’m sure the club will get some sound advice before deciding what to do next.
I think it unlikely that the red would be overturned if we made an appeal simply because Oldham recently had Fondop sent off and lost their appeal for something less innocuous. This was highlighted on TNT's coverage of the Alty v Oldham game yesterday. The commentator and pundits were bewildered to say the least how it was not overturned. Suggest we just save ourselves the £500 and put it to better use.
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Refwatch: Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 14:32 - Apr 2 with 2576 views
I can appreciate both arguments here, but for me the challenge Armstrong does right at the start of the highlights is far far worse - he's high, he's late and he's not in control.
Yet this didn't even get pulled back for a retrospective yellow.
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Refwatch: Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 15:04 - Apr 2 with 2490 views
Your last line is highly relevant. Whose £500 would it be, given our finances? i.e. able to continue due to the generosity of an unconcluded deal with a benefactor
When fans are scraping together small amounts to help where they can, burning £500 trying to overturn a dodgy challenge when the remaining games have nothing much hanging on them would, imo, be very wrong
but there's no contact with their player! Fair point that Mitchell's foul was a 50:50 ball but it was a red mist response from him to losing the earlier encounter and sliding in towards another player (& therefore out of control) is a card these days every time
To me it looked a bit harsh but then I am from a previous era so perhaps that helps my view but certainly seen worse tackles this season than that one that have not received the ultimate punishment. Just an outside the box thought perhaps Mitchell is insisting an appeal is made ,the club perhaps wishing to support the player agree on the proviso that should the appeal be lost, Mitchell covers the cost.
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Refwatch: Rochdale v Hartlepool United on 20:59 - Apr 2 with 1705 views