| Chair jailed for a year 13:00 - Feb 23 with 70828 views | DevonWhite |
According to The Sun. | | | |  |
| Chair jailed for a year on 16:49 - Feb 23 with 3505 views | W7Ranger |
And Terrell Forbes | | | |
| Chair jailed for a year on 16:56 - Feb 23 with 3395 views | flynnbo |
No, all he said was Jehova. [Post edited 23 Feb 16:58]
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| Chair jailed for a year on 16:58 - Feb 23 with 3341 views | E17hoop |
8 pages in and I had no idea we had SO many Belgian criminal law specialists here. | |
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| Chair jailed for a year on 16:59 - Feb 23 with 3327 views | numptydumpty |
I don't.
That was what was first initially reported.
I have no idea what's true and what's not.
It's hard to understand any of it, the lack of reporting for many years, the lack of a trial, the sudden reporting of his sentence, the rumours he is still in this country.
It's a story blesses by the trials of social media. I like everyone this all seems extremely odd.
Yes few reports said the victim was in intensive care for a few days but guess a fractured skull, you would be. | |
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| Chair jailed for a year on 17:06 - Feb 23 with 3203 views | E15Hoop |
Well said, Clive.
To be fair to our new CEO, I think he's already shown himself very adept at handling the information flow (well, as much as he can do in a case like this for instance) and not showing the club's official hand until (a.) There is no other option or (b.) He can make a statement that can be shoehorned into some really positive PR (the 4 January signings being a superb example).
Light years ahead of where we were in this regard under Uncle Tony Twitterfingers, and absolutely the most sensible way forwards in this particular context. | | | |
| Chair jailed for a year on 17:07 - Feb 23 with 3178 views | derbyhoop |
British tabloids would struggle to find their arse with both hands, as Clive has suggested. If Chair wasnt a reasonably high profile footballer, it wouldnt warrant a single line in any paper. [Post edited 23 Feb 17:18]
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| Chair jailed for a year on 17:10 - Feb 23 with 3122 views | QPRConor2000 |
I've got more questions than answers at the moment. | | | |
| Chair jailed for a year on 17:10 - Feb 23 with 3112 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
"This happened years ago apparently, the victim was in intensive care with fractured skull - potentially could have been life threatening"
So this was guesswork / assumption? I haven't seen anything that mentioned intensive care either today nor when the weird news sort of weirdly broke last time. Probably best not to state things like that as a declaration of fact.
Totally agree with you about the 'trial by social media'. An absolutely rotten aspect of modern life. | | | |
| Chair jailed for a year on 17:20 - Feb 23 with 2943 views | lassel |
Ilias Chair by aston_hoop 19 Jan 12:55What the hell is this all about? stick it on google translate
https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20240119_93571823
Antwerp prosecutor demands two years in prison for star footballer Ilias Chair after fight: “Small man's skull with a large stone”
Ilias Chair, midfielder for the English club Queens Park Rangers, risks two years in prison
Ilias Chair, midfielder of the English club Queens Park Rangers, risks two years in prison — © Offside via Getty Images
ANTWERP -The Antwerp prosecutor has demanded a two-year prison sentence against football international Ilias Chair (26), midfielder for the English club Queens Park Rangers, for involvement in a serious fight in the summer of 2020. “He smashed his victim in the skull with a large stone. ”
Joris van der Aa
Today at 10:54
The facts took place in the summer of 2020, after a kayaking trip that started in the Ardennes and ended in Bazeilles, France. After a long journey, a family from East Flanders arrived at the end of the journey. There were buses ready to take the tired and hungry tourists back to the starting point of the tour.
“While waiting to board the bus, the victims were suddenly passed by a lady in a green bikini and her family. They passed the group and, as it were, demanded to be the first to get on the bus because they had just missed another bus," the prosecutor said. “This led to a discussion with other people who were waiting, including the later victims, Niels T., his sister Eline T. and Dries D. The woman in the green bikini behaved very aggressively and things quickly escalated. the hand. The woman lashed out at the victims and their children. There was hitting, scratching and biting.”
Massive brawl
The organization of the kayak trips failed to calm the mood. A massive brawl broke out, which suddenly escalated when a man grabbed a large stone. That man was later identified by the French police as Ilias Chair (26) from Edegem, midfielder of the English football club Queens Park Rangers and one of the stars of the Moroccan national football team.
“According to several people involved, Ilias Chair lashed out with the stone at Niels T., who immediately lost consciousness,” said the public prosecutor. “The consequences for Niels T. were dramatic. He suffered a serious skull fracture of two centimeters. He was admitted to Reims hospital in critical condition. He would then have to recover in a Belgian hospital for a long time. He was unable to work as a truck driver for a long time and to this day he still experiences the consequences of that blow, which almost killed him.”
The details on the victim are in the earlier thread above. | | | |
| Chair jailed for a year on 17:22 - Feb 23 with 2904 views | PlanetHonneywood |
A mate just sent me something. A picture of Dozzell and a message to the Belgian authorities: you've arrested the wrong guy, this is Ilias Chair, currentlyin Birmingham!! | |
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| Chair jailed for a year on 17:25 - Feb 23 with 2872 views | terryb |
I thought it had been said when the story broke in January, that there had been a trial held in the absence of the accused (Chair) & that the Prosecutor was asking for a prison sentence & compensation to be paid? Surely, his legal advisers (solicitors, barristers etc) could have conducted his defence without him being present?
Of course, it might easily be that I'm not remembering the story correctly, or that I've misinterpreted! | | | |
| Chair jailed for a year on 17:25 - Feb 23 with 2872 views | B_Wad |
I suppose this throws a twist on the POTY vote. | | | |
| Chair jailed for a year on 17:27 - Feb 23 with 2818 views | Northernr |
This is exactly my original point. We, as in us QPR fans, don't know do we? The question was whether we come out in rabid support of him, banish him from the team, or somewhere in between. And, at the moment, we don't know the details do we? We've had two Belgian newspaper reports to go on - one a month ago, and then the one today which has been copied and pasted everywhere.
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| Chair jailed for a year on 17:30 - Feb 23 with 2754 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
No mention of intensive care. And the only ‘detail’ is from a subjective quote seemingly attributed to nobody but presumably from ‘the prosecutor’.
All of it seems completely bizarre to me. Very few facts have been reported. | | | |
| Chair jailed for a year on 17:30 - Feb 23 with 2753 views | EastR |
Prisoner Of The Year? he's a shoe in | |
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| Chair jailed for a year on 17:35 - Feb 23 with 2681 views | kensalriser |
That was my first reaction to the original story. How does a Belgian court claim jurisdiction over an event that no one seems to dispute took place in France? | |
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| Chair jailed for a year on 17:36 - Feb 23 with 2667 views | lassel |
I mean the details certainly suggest as much - admitted in critical condition with a fractured skull and requiring a length stay in hospital.
Whilst youre right that we don’t *know* the victim was in intensive care, it’s pretty damn likely based upon the description of the injuries. | | | |
| Chair jailed for a year on 17:37 - Feb 23 with 2648 views | saxbend |
And as long as the club does have the option to keep quiet, then nothing affecting Chair's continued involvement at QPR can have happened. And even without a comment from the club we can at least wait for some legitimate piece of journalism that includes a quote from the person declaring a verdict and pronouncing a sentence (if there is one).
For now there's very little to talk about. If he plays tomorrow there is nothing at all to talk about. [Post edited 23 Feb 17:39]
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| Chair jailed for a year on 17:38 - Feb 23 with 2645 views | Northernr |
It sounds to me like they've been trying to bring it to court for a while, Chair and his people basically ignored it thinking it would go away, and in the end the court got tired of that, tried him in absentia, and convicted him on the basis of the facts laid out by the prosecution - kayaking, bus queue, large stone, cat, rat, hat etc. So that's where the details that have been reported have come from.
You can't make a court case go away simply by not turning up to it otherwise everybody would do it. So you get tried in absentia, you lose the right to put forward your defence, and the judge, who is almost certainly pissd off, says yeh guilty two years.
At that point Chair has engaged new lawyers and gone in all contrite this morning to try and get another hearing which he promises solemnly to turn up to this time and the judge, aforementioned pissd off judge, has gone 'nah bolox mate you had your chance', two years.
Chair then launches an appeal, and while it may seem absolutely perverse to us walks away free to play while that's sorted out.
But I, like everybody else, am guessing based on what scraps we've got, and dim and distant past court reporting experiences. | | | |
| Chair jailed for a year on 17:41 - Feb 23 with 2599 views | terryb |
Absolutely true.
I think I was mainly replying to sugestions that a trial hadn't taken place (not by you). It appears to me that it has & that Chair chose not to be present. Whether that was his choice or the legal advice he was given is not known & possibly never will be.
As to whether we should show him support, throw him to the dogs etc is a different matter & I would agree that we don't know enough for anyone to decide on their position.
The original TalkSport report stated that his brother was also sentenced to two years imprisonment, but whether that is being appealed as well I have no idea. Or whether this report is accurate! [Post edited 23 Feb 17:44]
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| Chair jailed for a year on 17:43 - Feb 23 with 2576 views | daveB |
This sounds about right but you have to wonder what Chair's legal team were thinking letting this get so far
My gut feeling based on no knowledge whatsoever is that he'll get the sentence reduced on appeal and likely to suspended with a big compensation but it's a hell of a risk for him to have left it so late before taking it seriously
I just hope we won't banking on selling him this summer as he's going nowhere with this hanging over his head | | | |
| Chair jailed for a year on 17:45 - Feb 23 with 2549 views | Northernr |
The whole thing, as Padula says above, just sounds so weird, and there's clearly so many details we're missing. If he had a chance to bung the guy 16,000 euros to make it go away and didn't then he's a pillock. | | | |
| Chair jailed for a year on 17:48 - Feb 23 with 2481 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
There aren’t any details, just unattributed quotes from ‘the prosecutor’.
If I were to draw assumption; I would suggest on the basis that the prosecutor hasn’t claimed at any stage that the alleged victim were in intensive care; it’s almost certain that they never were. | | | |
| Chair jailed for a year on 17:49 - Feb 23 with 2471 views | MedwayR |
With any luck they'll stop telling when the games are on soon. | |
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| Chair jailed for a year on 17:50 - Feb 23 with 2461 views | Hunterhoop |
This sounds about right from what can be cobbled together.
I am astounded you can be convicted, given a prison sentence, and be allowed to walk free (for now) simply because you appeal immediately. But then I am no expect on this. Why doesn’t everyone do this on the continent? Would kill the justice system, wouldn’t it?
I bet you Cifuentes isn’t relishing being a position where he has to decide whether to risk playing a key player whose head cannot be right or not for a critical must win match, compounded by the ethical decision of whether it’s right to pick someone on appeal for a prison sentence for something akin to ABH/GBH! Welcome to QPR, Marti. You thought you knew what you were in for… | | | |
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