| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? 15:04 - May 26 with 31727 views | TalkingSutty |
In just over a months time the players will be reporting back for pre-season training, the fans are currently in the dark regarding what to expect next season. Is there anybody actually running the club at the moment and could our Chairman please start to show some sort of leadership qualities? As a shareholder I'm now wondering if those in the Boardroom are fit for purpose, I can't be the only one thinking along those lines. If they can't take us any further then please say and let's see if as shareholders/the Trust/ fans we can source others to run the club ( it doesn't have to be Chris Dunphy etc). I would like to see a EGM called because at the moment the club is going down the plug hole and the silence is deafening. It seems to me that the only ambition that the Chairman and Directors now have is to find a investor and what happens on and off the pitch is secondary. [Post edited 26 May 2023 15:32]
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| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 05:44 - May 29 with 3196 views | NigelWatson |
Nobody should ask questions????
Not allowed!
Has Gauge done a good job so far?????? PS We have just been relegated from the EFL.
And as the title of this thread points out - do we even know what has motivated Gauge to get involved with RAFC?
But no questions must be asked at the current time, eh?
It's naughty to even have the temerity to even ask people in power questions, right?
In modern Britain, asking questions is: "Not allowed" | | | |
| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 05:47 - May 29 with 3183 views | kel |
That’s not what I asked. | | | |
| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 06:35 - May 29 with 3159 views | richfoad32 |
Isn't it easier for everyone just to block him rather than turning every thread into tedious arguments with him? | | | |
| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 06:42 - May 29 with 3133 views | kel |
Personally I don’t think so. I’ve never blocked anyone on here and never will as people clearly out to cause trouble need challenging.
Even simpletons like Nidge. | | | |
| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 07:59 - May 29 with 3080 views | D_Alien |
Those who've been abusive to the board on other media have, i'd suggest, had an effect upon how the board view fans. It's wrong, it shouldn't be that way, you know that - but they're only human
Saddos such as Nige aren't abusive as such, but in making scurrilous suggestions based on nothing, they'd have the same effect on anyone from the club reading them. So whilst i agree with you that he's an idiot, he really should be countered, for that reason alone. I understand why others might disagree with that, but it's not just "arguing for the sake of it" | |
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| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 08:04 - May 29 with 3073 views | D_Alien |
Either you can't read my criticisms of the way the board are acting under Simon Gauge's chairmanship or the post you've responded to is true
Which is it? | |
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| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 08:55 - May 29 with 3004 views | TalkingSutty |
You're wrong, that's not what the title of this thread indicates at all. It doesn't ask what motivated Gauge to get involved with the club and that's not what i insinuated when i posted it.
My personal belief is that those in the Boardroom where motivated to save the club from a hostile takeover and they did a brilliant job in that respect. However, that is a completely separate issue to actually running a professional football club from top to bottom and recruiting the right people to push the club forward, instilling a winning ethic around the club and engaging with the supporters and the Town in general. The evidence shows that they have done the opposite to that and it appears to me as though nobody in the boardroom has the skill set or the desire to turn things around.
The task is too big for them and the fans should be asking questions, but the failings haven't be done on purpose, they are clearly out of their depth and that shouldn't surprise anybody. They have no experience of running a football club or dealing with managers and agents, recruiting players etc. The Chairman certainly hasn't and neither have any of the Directors.
Contrary to what you think Nigel, the Chairman and Directors aren't the enemy, they are well meaning people who have bitten off more than they can chew and paid a lot of money for the pleasure. Don't misinterpret the concerns of supporters as a hatred towards those who stepped up and saved it because it's nothing of the sort. Awkward questions need asking and as concerned supporters we should all be doing that.
I would like clarification as to the aims and ambitions for this upcoming season, what those in the Boardroom deem as success? That's the meaning behind the title of the thread. If it's a positive message with a well thought out plan it might boost season ticket sales. No matter how poor their performance when it comes to running the club they will always be able to step back and be welcomed by the fans as supporters. None of us will forget the sacrifices they made to keep the club out of the clutches of Morton House and you should be very grateful for that Nigel, i hope you are. | | | |
| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 09:24 - May 29 with 2957 views | TVOS1907 |
The title of the thread points out nothing of the sort and knowing TS as I do, you couldn’t be further away from his rationale for posting.
But you probably know that and are just stirring for the sake of it. | |
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| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 09:31 - May 29 with 2944 views | HullDale |
Read my post from earlier in the thread (the one you 'liked'!) & you'll see I'm asking plenty of questions.
But your tone is coming across as personal, & we know from other social media forums that SG won't engage if that is the case, he'll block & move on. & as I said earlier, any of the searching questions asked by TS, or constructive criticism ideas / feedback in these threads, gets lost as collateral damage.
You consistently suggest that SG has ulterior motives, such as property development, but have offered nothing to back it up. If that's legitimate, share the proof... none of this 'I can't say yet'... if its a real concern, & there is proof, post it on here & you'll quickly find that people back you. If there isn't proof, or you can't / won't provide it, you shouldn't be surprised by the reaction you get. | | | |
| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 10:45 - May 29 with 2821 views | 49thseason |
My position is that the Trust has done the market surveying and produced a list of thoughts and ideas which represent the way the supporters see the current situation. The ball is now in the board's court to respond. In the event the response is less than we might regard as reasonable then we, the trust and any other interested parties will need to shoulder the burden with or without the help and assistance of the Clubs Board and employees. The Board raised the idea of a Volunteer Army, if they now cannot deliver then its down to us.
For those of us who have been long-term supporters, this is becoming an existential matter. Clearly from comments on here the relationship between club and fans is deteriorating for a lack of clear information, if they cannot make the situation clearer then they should say so. | | | |
| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 11:05 - May 29 with 2789 views | D_Alien |
But your own solution is lacking in clarity
In suggesting the Trust should commence fund-raising in the absence of the club engaging more fully with commercial activity, what do you propose should happen to those "parallel" funds? One option would be to buy shares, but that'd be a very long process to acquire any further influence. As it stands, i think the Trust's 13% (highest) stake is well worthy of greater clout than what often appears like a token place on the board (again- the position, not the individual)
The other options: hand the funds over to the club to help out - that money then becomes used by those we're questioning over the use of funds; or put aside for some eventuality which may not be possible to influence if a majority shareholder is found and the current board bail out
The other alternative - and one which is slowly but surely looming into view - is an EGM. If so, we all need to be perfectly clear what the purpose would be
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| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 11:16 - May 29 with 2765 views | kel |
Good post.
He won’t say because he’s in a world of his own and he is just making things up to satisfy his inflated ego which is boosted by likes from other like minded weirdos on his YouTube videos.
He’s a genuine crackpot this lad. | | | |
| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 14:28 - May 29 with 2609 views | 49thseason |
Fair comment, I resisted the urge to say that the Trust would simply buy shares because of the possible " investor" or other circumstances that might prevent the Trust from investing in the Private Ltd Company. Setting up new streams of income, using Trust resources ( manpower) there might be useful income that can be ultimately be leveraged. But if the SHTF it might be useful for that income to be based outside the Ltd Company. I dont think having money would be a problem compared to not having any. If the club doesnt need it there are still lots of things it could still be spent on. If the club does need it the Trust is in a stronger negotiating position.
Essentially either the club might get an investor but the Trust has to start the ball rolling towards creating new income streams. For example, we could have Christmas cards, calendars etc. ready for print in 2 days and on sale by October at a very minimum cost, leaving time to market and sell them. | | | |
| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 17:18 - May 29 with 2452 views | TVOS1907 |
R17 used to do the calendars for the Trust. He did the work in September and early October, had them on sale by Halloween and had made a profit by Bommy Night. I’m sure he can elucidate on what happened next. | |
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| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 17:35 - May 29 with 2403 views | R17ALE |
I can indeed! We flogged them for a fiver each on various away ends including Bournemouth one year where the stewards tried to stop us.
Simple plan: Sell advertising on each month to cover all production costs. Print 400 and keep flogging them until £2000 profit was reached.
After a few years I handed it back to the club with my "business plan" and the commercial department decided instead to outsource the calendars to a printing company rather than put the legwork in to make a few quid. See also: Fixture posters. [Post edited 29 May 2023 17:36]
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| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 17:49 - May 29 with 2363 views | James1980 |
I'm guessing that this wasn't the current commercial department. Perhaps they would be interested in perusing your calendar business plan | |
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| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 17:50 - May 29 with 2359 views | R17ALE |
I've gave them some pointers in the New Year James, but I'm not holding my breath! | |
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| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 17:51 - May 29 with 2358 views | EllDale |
Fixture posters aka fish and chip posters are a great promotional tool as well.
All costs covered by adverts and those that aren’t sold can be given away as a simple way of publicising the club. | | | |
| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 17:55 - May 29 with 2352 views | R17ALE |
They're supposed to be given away in order to advertise fixtures! That's the point!
I did the club 5000 (Centenary year perhaps?) and delivered them to the shop early August in time for kick-off.
The following February I got a phone call from a then member of staff asking me what they should be doing with 5000 posters in the store room.
You couldn't make it up.
Needless to say I gave up doing that as well! | |
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| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 17:58 - May 29 with 2338 views | 442Dale |
It needs a proper structure creating to ensure these ideas, good or bad, are discussed/planned/taken forward. One which everyone is aware of and can see how it works.
There was a myriad of questions and suggestions raised at the Trust meetings around the club shop for example, all designed to establish structures and potential positive paths forward.
A month later, we remain no further on. If they’ve been sent to them, a lot of these could and should already have been answered by the club via email to the Trust. If they haven’t, would expect something before the new O’Neills stuff goes on sale at least. | |
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| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 18:10 - May 29 with 2301 views | 49thseason |
This is entirely my point, the Trust should be empowering the members to do this sort of stuff, that way, many hands make light work and the financial gain is in the trusts hands. The club benefit from the promotional work and there is no need to employ anyone to do a half-arsed job. Ultimately the profits from small-scale fundraising can be invested in bigger schemes. I have no doubt we have the expertise to make the equivant of several commercial departments and do a much better job. In that sense its win- win. The Trust becomes a bigger influence and the club gets a lot of non-football stuff taken off its remit and hopefully more supporters. | | | |
| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 18:39 - May 29 with 2234 views | 442Dale |
The Trust have empowered supporters. It started at the meeting.
Fans can’t do anything more until the club acknowledge this and agree to taking it forward.
Using the calendar as an example, there are copyrights around using the club badge/name etc. if the club didn’t agree, as they have in the past*, then the Trust would have a whole other set of issues to deal with. The alternative is doing everything in the name of the Dale Trust because the club decide they don’t want to reengage with the fan base unless it’s on their terms alone. Hopefully that won’t happen, because there’s certainly no reason for it.
We wait and see because we have been given no indication of what will happen going forward yet. The first step is responding to the questions asked at the meetings, these can be sent to them with all written responses/non responses then relayed to the fans.
Edit: *meaning the club presumably gave R17/the Trust the ok to do calendars. If not, it’s still something the Trust would have to check now. [Post edited 29 May 2023 18:43]
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| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 19:16 - May 29 with 2151 views | electricblue |
What is stopping the trust from organising a calender and christmas cards now and approaching the BoD about copyrights.
With the trust being the biggest shareholder surely they have some say in this with the BoD....
Im all for it and i will buy two Dale Trust calenders and a pack of Dale Trust christmas cards.
So lets get the ball rolling after all there is nearly 2000 trust members surely they will be interested in buying some..
Who is up for it.. | |
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| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 19:55 - May 29 with 2085 views | 49thseason |
Sometimes you just have to make a start and force the issue.
Its a simple 5 minute phone call and an email confirmation with art work attached.
If they won't do that, it tells us all we need to know and we put the Trusts Director onto the case.
Whichever way you look at it the Trust doing this sort of simple fundraising means someone else doesn't have to do it. There are the best part of 1000 trust members who can take a fixture list into their local chip shop, hairdressers and pub, and who are ideal candidates for buying a calendar and a couple of packs of Christmas cards. Its quick, simple and relatively cheap way of making money .
The club would struggle with this sort of stuff simply because they do not have the volunteer base. they would just put them in the shop and hope for the best.
But someone needs to get on with it between now and the fixtures being announced or its too late, same goes for calendars and Christmas cards, not to mention Christmas parties, meals etc. which are already booking up in some places. The early bird and all that....
Is there a graphic designer here with half an hour to spare? | | | |
| Could the Chairman and Directors please outline their aims and ambitions? on 07:27 - May 30 with 1793 views | Dalliance |
On graphic designers, I'm not, but if there's no Dale fans that are, the Media Trust have a media/digital/creative professional volunteers scheme. One of the charities I worked with a while ago got help that way for marketing stuff for crowdfunding. | | | |
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