| Tatics 08:23 - Mar 12 with 20643 views | RuislipHoop |
How pleasing to see GA ditch the passing backwards and sideways and be more direct.Some May call it long ball but it suits our boys much more.If we are going to lose the ball better to do it in their half than ours.Great performance,LR was rocking. | | | |  |
| Tatics on 18:07 - Mar 12 with 2470 views | Sakura |
I responded to Brian's comments about not being so accepting of the direct play in the long term and it not being football.
You were the second poster on this thread to agree with that sentiment. Until that point everyone else took the other side
So that's the main reason I took issue with your post. There is also the element that your prominent role means that you have an outsized influence in literally shaping the culture of the fan base. So I am more likely to challenge your thinking than some of the other posters
Brian went with the sentiment. Yesterday was a needs must win BUT longer term that isn't ok to only be doing that many passes or to be doing the shithousing stuff. You began your post with Brian "is right". So I took that to mean you agreed with that sentiment
As I say you have an outsized influence in impacting the culture of this fan base. I would say you deserve credit for helping to provide a neutral (as in not employed by the club) perspective that in an FFP world the culture under the Hughes, Redknapp era style of throwing money aimlessly at any problems was not something we could continue. And got that message across to the fans when it was first needed
And now at the clubs latest crossroads I think that some of the fan base need to recognise that playing the beautiful game isn't as we found this last 14 months under Warburton, Beale and Critchley, that while it has its moments is very hard to sustain with our squad depth. So we need to tip the scales in our favour in other ways and a more direct aggressive and nasty style of play that most teams aren't used to playing. Are no longer coached to play against and just aren't able to play against so well.
Dickie passing to Dunne passing to Field to pass to Dickie again and again got us know where and left us open to losing the ball in dangerous areas. So I am pleased to be reminded that you will be more accepting of us hoofing it up out of those dangerous areas when under any sort of pressure.
The game progresses and their is advantage to be gained in moving ahead of the curve or current norms. The modern game has evolved into a way where the emphasis is on keeping the ball on the floor. That's what most teams are good at. It's why someone like Martinez at 5,8 can play centre back for Argentina and Man United and at times look brilliant. But when Argentina we're cruising against Holland playing pretty football they then threw on Weghorst and booted it up to him and the game changed and chaos ensued and they got back into it
4-4-2 was the formation everyone played here for years so when the first teams started playing 4-2-3-1 and centre backs no longer had their designated striker to fight with it caused chaos and early adopters got success
The game evolved, coaches focused on how to deal with that. And now mobility and dealing with the ball on the floor the thing that most teams excel at. If we can switch it up and so they then need to deal with balls in the air and the ball just pinging around the box as we lob it in. Then we can find our own way to outcompete.
If you can have any impact in helping to shape a culture of acceptance in the club that is maximising our skills at a side of a game that most of the opposition players are weak at and unused to then brilliant.
Your point around I might enjoy a pint with you and you being a good person/ good company. I'm sure that you are. My post is in no way intended to be a dig at you on a personal level. My comments are more focused around what I believe is best for Rangers and my perception that you may have an outsized influence on how the fan base is steered on that. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 18:10]
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| Tatics on 18:08 - Mar 12 with 2508 views | TK1 |
This thread is brilliant. First win since October 22nd yesterday. Five months. First clean sheet since Boxing Day: it's mid-March.
"Ooh, no. Didn't like those tactics. Horrible."
"This winning ugly is going to wear thin very quickly." (Because it's been such luxurious fun for the last 14 months)
Man who has been living off very occasional mouthfuls of cold porridge and warm gulps of water is presented with a full English breakfast.
"Oh I couldn't eat this every day." | | | |
| Tatics on 18:15 - Mar 12 with 2487 views | VancouverHoop |
Is a meticulous 18th century Dutch still life "better" than Van Gogh's Sunflowers?"
Is a Champions League Final between players whose salaries total the GNP of a small European country on a pitch groomed to perfection, 'better" than an FA Cup qualifying match played by journeymen cloggers in the pouring rain on a mudpatch in darkest Bedfordshire?
The answer to both questions is "no."
The latter are very different in skill level but exactly equal in desire, by both players and their audiences. Skill is one quality, passion another, commitment another, execution yet another.
There is no "right way" to play, or support, football other than to the best of those collective abilities in the particular circumstance.
QPR are not going to be playing in a Champions League Final any time soon. Neither will we be struggling to stay in the Isthmian League South. We have to find success where we are right now. We need to cut our cloth accordingly, become 'a horse for our course' if you like.
Ultimately I really don't care how we play provided it isn't too boring, and it'd be nice if we win more games than we lose.
[Sorry, bit of a rant. Hope it makes sense!] [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 18:19]
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| Tatics on 18:22 - Mar 12 with 2452 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Really enjoyed catching up on the thread. Agree with so much of what has been said, including the following:
1) Formation was the right call, and coached well
2) Watford were shytehousing too (which I had forgotten - apologies)
3) That as supporters our preferred tactics/style of play differ, and we sometimes change our own minds as well.
Overall, a great effort and a great attitude. Great to see everyone so happy. | |
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| Tatics on 18:31 - Mar 12 with 2392 views | Paddyhoops |
Agree with a lot of what Brian said. It wasn’t great to watch and the Watford fans I spoke to were none to impressed however watching the chuckle brothers ,Dickie and Dunne “To me to you” routine over the last four months with no results was utterly depressing.
Laird , Chair , Willock , Roberts would consider themselves silky players.
We don’t have them at the moment so we work with what we’ve got.
It’s been utterly soul destroying watching this side fail week on week.
We can’t drop down a division. It would be disastrous and if we have to go all Jack Charlton to get us out of trouble, I’m all for it.
The shousing is disappointing but everyone else is doing it so if you can’t beat them join them .
We bullied them yesterday and to see that 7 foot monster Hoedt losing his shit as a result of Martin , Dykes and Armstrong was a joy.
More please.
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| Tatics on 18:33 - Mar 12 with 2387 views | londonscottish |
Personally, I thought it was hilarious and proper payback for the hundreds of games where we've conceded a goal and had that done to us. Over and over and over again.
It's within the rules of the game and, if you can waste 10 minutes you know the ref will only give 3 or 4 and all that other time the oppo can't (a) build up a head of steam or (b) score.
I was absolutely loving it. | |
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| Tatics on 18:46 - Mar 12 with 2344 views | joe90 |
Some real football snobbery on this thread, anyone would think we were Man City pre Ainsworth!
It’s pretty obvious the style of play will wear thin if we don’t get results. We have to play to our strengths and we also need to win games.
Stats are misleading, but if you prefer a certain style of play I don’t understand how you can enjoy watching QPR.
Madness this is even been discussed so soon after a much needed win. [Post edited 13 Mar 2023 10:48]
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| Tatics on 18:52 - Mar 12 with 2323 views | dm97 |
QPR don’t win for three months, get that vital win that probably sees us safe - queue 4 page speculative thread about whether a hypothetical scenario in which GAs tactical style (which people are judging on - checks notes - *three* games) goes dry.
We are one strange club, enjoy the win lads [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 18:53]
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| Tatics on 19:03 - Mar 12 with 2282 views | Harbour |
Quite enjoyed how we were in their face from the off first Martin then Dykes fouled their goalie first 2 every tackle never gave them a moment…goal was deserved and should have had a second. With the resources we have this was the best tactics well done Gareth. | | | |
| Tatics on 19:24 - Mar 12 with 2225 views | Andybrat |
Guys, 1st home game I have missed all season, sounds like my tactic worked. Be warned am back for Brum so you can blame me. I was following the match thread live from my sun bed and now reading this, it is the same game we are commenting on? Clive I promise to buy you a beer and double check you are a nice guy. Simply put we had to win against a bunch of exPrem players, couldn’t beat them at their own game. I wasn’t a GA supporter re coming in but every interview and Haka convinces me we couldn’t have gone anywhere else. Eze at Wycombe proves he can handle “class” properly and so far changed to 5 at the back in game 3 and worked. So he made the right call in what was really his second game. We have the pretty boys coming back, probably next season for Illy and Willy, but already seen the improvement in Ozzy ( best player vs Blackburn) and you all are saying Aaron Drewe looks good enough. So in one fail swoop we have 2 right backs and 2 left backs of our own as Ozzy can play both sides. Not bad. Only wished I was there but Mrs Andybrat would not have appreciated. | | | |
| Tatics on 19:26 - Mar 12 with 2217 views | TheChef |
I thought we played some nice stuff at times. In any case I'd rather see some pace and get the ball forward quicker with an intent of attacking the opposition goal:than mucking around with the ball in our half going backwards and sideways.
And the defending was a lot more no nonsense, if in doubt clear the ball. Certainly helped avoid any silly mistakes. | |
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| Tatics on 19:41 - Mar 12 with 2178 views | Antti_Heinola |
'There is also the element that your prominent role means that you have an outsized influence in literally shaping the culture of the fan base. So I am more likely to challenge your thinking than some of the other posters'
Pretty much the most insulting thing I've read on this site.
I disagree with lots of people on here, agree with others, but I also think everyone on here (even the ones I've blocked!) is able to make up their own mind on football matters without having their mind fogged by Clive's opinions. What an absolute load of garbage. 'Shaping the culture'. Jesus Christ. Insulting to Clive, insulting to the rest of us.
A lot of people are reading things on this thread that aren't even there. I haven't noticed anything 'snobbish', just sensible debate about style and what different people prefer - and how far *long term* Saturday's style can get you. Here's a thing: there is some kind of point on the spectrum that is neither 'direct ball, go down injured 16 times in a game, surround ref at every opportunity' and 'pass in a triangle between Dickie, Dunne and Dieng all day'. In one season we've actually probably seen both ends of that spectrum - sometimes even in the same match. A 'purist' doesn't necessarily dislike competitive, hard football with some direct attacking; and people who prefer that style will also likely leap about like little kids when we play like we did under Warburton games like first half v Luton (3-2), the Welsh massacres, or a couple of wins under Beale.
We can compete like we did on Saturday AND actually play some nice football too, WHILE acknowledging that passing the ball five hundred times between the centre backs and not going anywhere is no one's idea of a good time.
Other than Sakura, who probably thinks I've been brainwashed by Clive, we can probably all agree on that, yeah? | |
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| Tatics on 19:52 - Mar 12 with 2136 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Excellent summation, Antti.
As ever, the hallmark for any internet conversation is "could you have this chat down the pub?".
This thread would be a great chat down the pub - we agree, we don't, we agree, we don't, we're all half-mad, who cares, whose round is it anyway. | |
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| Tatics on 20:52 - Mar 12 with 2026 views | QPR_Jim |
Agreed. Getting it forward quickly is much better than passing it between the defence all afternoon, that doesn't mean long ball either can be moved forward quickly with sharp passing and dribbling. Pressing opponents into mistakes and winning the ball back quicker is also a massive improvement. | | | |
| Tatics on 21:03 - Mar 12 with 2001 views | Westy75 |
This for me too. Nice to have a bit of good football but at the end of the day I want to see Rangers win football matches, if that means a little bit of agricultural football so be it. People accused Ollie of that but they were some of the most enjoyable seasons at Rangers over the last 25 years. Nice bit of needle in the game to get the crowd up for it doesn’t hurt either. Nice to see us giving it out for a change. | | | |
| Tatics on 21:32 - Mar 12 with 1903 views | hoopedmonkey |
We truly are the demi monde | | | |
| Tatics on 23:56 - Mar 12 with 1785 views | PunteR |
Stick him on ignore. That's how you deal with this sort of thing. [Post edited 13 Mar 2023 0:00]
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| Tatics on 00:25 - Mar 13 with 1767 views | jonath1 |
Oh Bravo.
I actually sat behind that Sarah Bernhardt in T block one time.
But really it is so right. Football clubs today are just the playthings of the irresponsibly rich. | | | |
| Tatics on 08:51 - Mar 13 with 1610 views | Sakura |
This is such a bizarre reaction. Insulting to who? Not to NorthernR?! Pointing out that he has a prominent role in the fan base compared to the average fan. Explain how that is 1) not true? 2) an insult to him?
Seeing as it obviously not an insult to him then you must mean it is an insult to other fans who may have read my post saying he has an outsized influence. Well to put you at ease Antti after you have got so upset.
If anyone is offended that I view him as having a more prominent role my advice to them would be to launch their own website and write match previews, match reports and the odd interview with key club figures and get as many clicks as this site does. Because if you don't do that sorry to say Antti that I will hold the view point that you have a less prominent role
Human society has evolved in a way that makes it an instinct for people to follow the herd. The "bandwagon effect". Thousands of years ago if you were ostracised from a group it greatly decreased your chance of literally surviving. So humans have a strong instinct to support the 'current thing'. It's because of this the writer of our most used fan site Can influence that natural herd mentality instinct
Think the Asch line study, people wearing paper masks on their face during Covid because the news told them too or people getting angry about Andrew Tate and the need to shut down his opinions.
It's the same energy (hope NorthernR sees the funny side that I just compared him to Andrew Tate)
But really it is just a fact that humans are influenced in their opinions by the articles they read. So you are miles off on that point as well
As for the snobbery, I am talking about the comments around it being the 'right way' to play. I see that as snobbish. Joe90's post above is bang on
I also completely agree with your sentiment, "We can compete like we did on Saturday AND actually play some nice football too" and to suggest I feel otherwise is a misunderstanding of the other side of the argument
As I said in my previous post, play pretty football but when the ball is in the right areas | | | |
| Tatics on 09:36 - Mar 13 with 1563 views | MrSheen |
Just back from a weekend in Kerry. did I miss anything?
QPR are my one and only team. If people ask me if I like football, I say, not so much, mostly only QPR. Outside of the World Cup (which was much better than I expected), I hardly watch any on TV. RuPaul and Lorraine Kelly could be presenting Match of the Day for all I know. I've been a season-ticket holder since Covid, for the first time since Paulo Sousa (did I miss anything?) mostly as a way to stay connected with my son. Even then, it's not going to stop me doing something else if I feel like it. I have family responsibilities and other interests.
Frankly, even 23 games a season is too much for me, I couldn't wander the country, laying down £150+ and 16 hours every other week. Not having to do that insulates me from the boiling frustration and rage felt by those who do. You're seething in the rain in Rotherham, or Middlesbrough, I put a podcast on and go for a walk, the bad news can wait. Master Sheen was on the text to me from V Block as I walked around Derrynane on Saturday, and I was torn between checking for updates every minute or avoiding the jinx.
I've always been afraid of contempt as an emotion than can take over your life and destroy all connection to the people and things that you love. When I feel it taking hold, the best thing for me is to walk away until the passion calms down as from what I've seen it's so hard to uproot. Easy for me to say when I wear my support so much more lightly than many, but I see it in the hatred many of our fans have always had for some of our players and it has inevitably increased on here with our dire form - including Clive's reports, where the loathing for many/most of our squad and management has been clear.
It's not that I think you're wrong in your analysis, I worry what it does to you all, to find so much hateful and disgusting in what is supposed to bring you pleasure. As if this hasn't been corny enough, I hate feeling that way about our players too (Mark Hateley the only ever exception). I can't see them as thieving gutless parasites, I see them as bigger versions of the kids I used to coach. Dickie and Dozzell (or Scowen, Rose, Pacquette, Rehman, Nygaard, Dichio, etc) aren't piss-taking saboteurs, they're flawed (or why else would they play for us?) players who need confidence, leadership and coaching to perform to the potential they all have to help us win. What's the one that fans can influence? What colour shirt are they wearing?
On the tactics, Warbsball and early Beale (for all the vitriol he's rightly attracted, we'd been sunk by now if he hadn't been such a good coach) were wonderful at their best, but we went for broke and now we're...broke. Just Win Baby is the only option open to us, and we're lucky we have an energetic and creative coach willing to risk his reputation with us to deliver it rather than hope Mick or Neil can get one more tune out of the old piano.
See you Saturday. | | | |
| Tatics on 09:45 - Mar 13 with 1524 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Fine post, Sheener. Lovely writing, and a great outlook. | |
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| Tatics on 09:56 - Mar 13 with 1488 views | MrSheen |
Thank you Brian, but easy for me to say... | | | |
| Tatics on 10:14 - Mar 13 with 1434 views | EastR |
Excellent summary of what was most effective on Sat — we won because we didn’t give them a moments peace, wound them up, and imposed our game plan on them.
I also think everyone needs to go back and have a look at our goal again. Watford play out from the back, we press them, turnover and Iroegbunam picks up the ball on the half way line, making a surging run, beats a couple of players and scores. The ball never leaves the ground. A very well executed goal. | |
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| Tatics on 10:35 - Mar 13 with 1351 views | francisbowles |
Excellent post Mr Sheen.
Like you, I was away for this one but I have the bug big time, hate missing a match, so had to arrange Saturday around the match, and buy and watch the stream.
Pleased that I did and hope that we both get a positive experience when we return to the Bush on Saturday.
Oh! You forgot Boswa*nka | | | |
| Tatics on 10:41 - Mar 13 with 2400 views | jeffranger |
We’ve been far to soft in our play & get bullied so easy, Saturdays game proved different as harassed them off the ball & in their faces most of the time & was good to watch, 3 at the back worked a treat & both full backs was excellent, also some good football played especially in first half, it’s all about staying up from now on | | | |
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