| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? 07:59 - Sep 21 with 6200 views | Lohengrin |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62971626
”The absolute discharge sentence means Rahman committed the offence but will not face any punishment or order.” | |
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| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 20:34 - Sep 21 with 1278 views | onehunglow |
As do many in Court | |
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| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 20:40 - Sep 21 with 1260 views | Sirjohnalot |
‘The jury was therefore asked to determine whether Rahman did the acts alleged, instead of determining whether he was innocent or guilty.’
If you only hear from one side with no other input, it is almost inevitable that is what you will find for them.
If you’re in a bar and a woman says ‘Lohengrin touched me up’ and the bouncer, hearing that, takes you outside and gives you a kicking and puts you in hospital without letting you speak in case you did it in order to protect innocent victims, is that fair ? | | | |
| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 20:40 - Sep 21 with 1255 views | Sirjohnalot |
Exactly, so how can you lock someone up only hearing one side ? | | | |
| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 20:45 - Sep 21 with 1242 views | Lohengrin |
You call it internment and give it the parliamentary fig-leaf of legality. | |
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| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 20:47 - Sep 21 with 1236 views | Lohengrin |
Do cases really make it to court on a he said/she said basis? Isn’t there a threshold of proof that has to be crossed before Crown proceedings begin? | |
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| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 20:48 - Sep 21 with 1234 views | onehunglow |
I’m not in the Dock or am I.
I am concerned for victims more than perps so hang me .So to speak.
You’re in work mode John and it’s why I’m bailing out of this right here
Enjoy the rest of the evening | |
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| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 20:50 - Sep 21 with 1214 views | controversial_jack |
Judge Dredd is off on one again | | | |
| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 20:54 - Sep 21 with 1209 views | Sirjohnalot |
Ok, not a problem. Have a lovely evening | | | |
| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 21:01 - Sep 21 with 1188 views | Sirjohnalot |
Yes, a realistic prospect of conviction, which is more than 50% but 10 years on, there will be no forensics, no cctv, there’ll be evidence, probably they knew each other, but nothing that will be tested.
In reality a person making a complaint, if they appear to be genuine, it is unlikely they will not be charged, bearing in mind he would not have been interviewed by the police.
Same thing has happened with that chap who ran at the Queen’s coffin. | | | |
| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 21:23 - Sep 21 with 1163 views | 73__73 |
A friend of mine asked me this morning who Wales are playing this week, and I told him I didn’t know.
International football is shite. | |
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| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 21:23 - Sep 21 with 1152 views | controversial_jack |
What you are describing is a police state. That will.make some on.here very happy. | | | |
| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 21:25 - Sep 21 with 1153 views | KeithHaynes |
Off topic there mate. | |
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| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 21:35 - Sep 21 with 1133 views | Sirjohnalot |
Probably a metaphor about mysteries of the criminal justice system | | | |
| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 22:19 - Sep 21 with 1096 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
If that was the case every defendant would remain silent. | |
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| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 22:49 - Sep 21 with 1081 views | KeithHaynes |
In interviews they regularly do. | |
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| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 06:17 - Sep 22 with 971 views | Sirjohnalot |
Yes they do but that is a conscious choice and are warned about the possible consequence of an inference being taken in the caution if they remain silent. This is not a choice.
It’s not someone saying ‘I’ve lost my mind’ and the court simply accepting it | | | |
| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 09:37 - Sep 22 with 919 views | onehunglow |
Any career criminal will no comment as it provides time to contruct a defence and he can only do that when he know all which the Police will present.
There is always a chance some jury member will not have the self confidence to pppprofeer a guilty verdict a the Defence and Judge will emphasis reasonable doubt.What is reasonable is the key issue. | |
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| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 10:14 - Sep 22 with 904 views | controversial_jack |
A suspect, doesn't have to justify themselves to the police, only to the court.Advice is never to engage with the police under any circumstances. It's easy to inadvertently incriminate yourself, as the police are experts at doing this.
If you are arrested and charged, it's because the police believe you are guilty and will do what it takes to convict you. They are not in the business of finding anyone innocent.
If you are innocent, then let them prove it if they have the evidence, there's no need to help them do so. Of course you will need a decent solicitor for advice. | | | |
| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 10:21 - Sep 22 with 898 views | Sirjohnalot |
Again, that is not true at all. Having been a solicitor before I transferred to the Bar, and represented 1000s of people in the police station, it is not right.
A lot depends on the strength of the case, lack of disclosure from the police, vulnerabilities of Def.
A no comment interview can be devastating, especially in front of a Jury. I make a huge play of it when prosecuting. Jurors don't like it.
Reasonable doubt has not been said for years , it is now 'so that you are sure' which, of course, is only right. | | | |
| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 10:23 - Sep 22 with 889 views | Sirjohnalot |
That's not correct. You hear 'never engage with the police' from people on twitter advising protestors who, quite frankly, have no idea what they're talking about. If anyone is ever arrested, get the duty solicitor if you do not have one. Giving a version of events, even by way of a prepared statement can be vital to a defence and the police must follow any reasonable lines of enquiry | | | |
| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 11:40 - Sep 22 with 865 views | controversial_jack |
Of course, get a solicitor for police disclosure and go from there. Giving a prepared careful written statement is not the same as being questioned by skilled interrogators. | | | |
| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 11:47 - Sep 22 with 857 views | Sirjohnalot |
Reason behind that is you can do a prepared statement, outlining your defence and then go 'no comment' that way you can avoid an inference being drawn as the caution says that an inference can be drawn if you fail to mention something that you later rely on in court. | | | |
| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 13:30 - Sep 22 with 823 views | onehunglow |
Are you ever wrong .? | |
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| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 13:42 - Sep 22 with 812 views | majorraglan |
He isn’t on this, it’s his profession and he’s current. | | | |
| What do you make of this, Sir John especially? on 13:48 - Sep 22 with 805 views | onehunglow |
I was a custody officer for several years in a very busy Liverpool station.
Duty Solicitors were a daily event
Solicitors have a completely different perspective
Career criminals often won’t pass comment as it is simply a natural thing for them to do. Few cough and I’m sharing Jon s comments vis a vis no comment interviews as many would argue it is the right of a defendant to stay silent anyway so he had every right to stay Schaumburg.
And he has | |
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