| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 11:36 - Mar 16 with 2772 views | huchen_karma |
I'd be more concerned about what information and evidence the Club can provide to the Disciplinary Commission and from then what sanctions they impose shall we ;0) | | |  |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 11:36 - Mar 16 with 2765 views | Alan_ADale |
your lot were found out about months ago and all you've done since your misconduct was exposed is slag off the club to try and deflect attention from the worst, most bungled and cock-eyed deal in football history.
so so easy to read. what next, more fake tears from the goomer who led you on? | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 11:36 - Mar 16 with 2765 views | DaleiLama |
Go and find a few more of your own hoodwinkers and flock off starling. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 11:41 - Mar 16 with 2716 views | fitzochris |
I suppose the upside of this is that if all the protagonists are found guilty, how can they pursue an unfair prejudice case when none of them are able to own the shares? | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 11:44 - Mar 16 with 2687 views | huchen_karma |
Interestingly enough, I don't recall Morton House facing any charges....... | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 11:47 - Mar 16 with 2669 views | fitzochris |
But we have to assume the selling parties are. If the transaction is declared 'illegal' in terms of the EFL rules, Morton House may find themselves with nothing of substance. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 11:48 - Mar 16 with 2660 views | Mass_Debater |
Yet..... | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 11:48 - Mar 16 with 2660 views | UpTheDaleNotForSale |
Lets hear the evidence. Lets save the Club.
If the EFL were to charge individuals and not the club, the individuals could say 'its not fair, we were invited by the club'.
By also charging the club, it allows the 'independent commission' to review all of the available evidence from all parties, and to decide exactly who is guilty.
Every Email, every phone call, every letter, every piece of evidence that will have been forensically pulled from files, devices, records will now be openly viewed and discussed. Every dirty little secret from every individual involved will now become public interest.
The wrong'uns have clearly seen this as an opportunity to try and sow discord amongst the fanbase (multiple trolling attempts on every single platform)... by trying to divide the fanbase they are trying to make the club weaker ahead of all of these legal fights. If the individuals were so sure of their case, so confident they had done nothing wrong, and so adamant that they would win and take control of the club, why would they feel the need to resort to underhand tactics at this moment in time?
This is a chance for the EFL independent commission to cast off the shadows of Bury, Macclesfield and many others before it... a chance to show its teeth, and prove that it is here for the good of clubs and football in the long term in the UK.
The fight starts now.
Up The Dale. Never Were For Sale. Still Not For Sale. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 11:50 - Mar 16 with 2633 views | DaleiLama |
As the ownership of MH changes on a regular basis, perhaps the EFL chose to target "multiple individuals" (and hopefully ban them for eternity) as a better way to cut the head off the snake?
I don't suppose Faisal/Faical wants to be involved with a northern L2 club on his tod? He's got Argos orders to get out on time. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 11:54 - Mar 16 with 2599 views | huchen_karma |
Mr Eugene Lewis Fordsworthe once said, "assumption is the mother of all mistakes"
You are a man of means, im sure you could easily find out the parties to the charges and then you can come to your own conclusion regarding the 'selling parties'. A transaction shall in time be declared illegal, not sure its the one you want though..... | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 11:56 - Mar 16 with 2571 views | huchen_karma |
How you have the audacity to accuse anyone of trolling!! | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 12:00 - Mar 16 with 2534 views | Alan_ADale |
so you assume - what a contradictory fool you are. | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 12:02 - Mar 16 with 2519 views | D_Alien |
You really are pretty thick aren't you
The charges relate to the acquisition of shares during the attempted (failed) hostile takeover, past tense
So yes, i'm sure the Club aren't in the wrong, present tense
How's your bank balance looking? Up for losing even more money you never had in the first place? How's your family holding up? Are you sure they're not looking at you as a complete tosser they wish they'd never got involved with? | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 12:03 - Mar 16 with 2503 views | SuddenLad |
He later said his earlier philosophy that assumption is the mother of all mistakes was flawed, and he recognized that sometimes good comes from assumptions. | |
| “It is easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooled†|
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 12:04 - Mar 16 with 2481 views | DaleiLama |
Mr. Joseph Goebbels said:
You're in great company karma. [Post edited 16 Mar 2022 13:57]
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 12:05 - Mar 16 with 2470 views | fitzochris |
What I want is what is best for the football club. That's all any of us want, isn't it? | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 12:07 - Mar 16 with 2423 views | finberty |
You're expecting him to have read fully and understood anything.
Unlikely, for someone associated with losing north of £1M into an abyss. | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 12:09 - Mar 16 with 2393 views | DaleiLama |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 12:27 - Mar 16 with 2299 views | RAFCBLUE |
It's an interesting point on the £1m into the abyss.
Ladies and Gentlemen I remind you of this, from the Manchester Evening News on 12th August 2021, shortly before the EFL launched their disciplinary investigation.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/businessman
Responding, Mr Curran's statement said the MP had either been 'misinformed' or 'not made aware' of the current financial position of Rochdale AFC.
He went on: "The club is certainly not a 'cash cow, far from it. It's got no money and without significant investment, the club will run out of money before the end of the year.
"The board has already confirmed it has no intention or means of putting in the funds required to sustain the club for the foreseeable future. (These include) a substantial outstanding loan (which) is secured against the stadium; HMRC payments are in arrears, and players have been sold below market value.
"We have made an offer to the current chairman to provide immediate funds to pay off these debts, increase the playing budget and buy players for the best possible opportunity of achieving promotion back to League One this season.
"We estimate this to be a requirement of around £500,000 immediately, with a further £500,000 in January. This offer has not been accepted.
All lies of course, given that we are now in March 2022 and still here.
The problem with Jarvis was - and is - that he's implicated Andrew Curran.
This Manchester Evening News article coming a week after Captain Sabotage had outed Andrew Curren to the Daily Telegraph:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/08/05/efl-investigating-homophobic-slu
The call nevertheless prompted a WhatsApp message from Alexander Jarvis, who described himself as an adviser to what he admitted was a “hostile takeover” and said that Curran was “a bit of a recluse”.
I really hope that two of the individuals charged by the EFL are Andrew Curran and Alexander Jarvis.
Particularly funny that Jarvis will have provided most of the evidence against himself and Curran via his utterances in the national press.
Then today the EFL:
https://www.efl.com/news/2022/march/efl-statement-rochdale-afc/
The EFL has been considering whether the Club, any Official, any Relevant Person(s) and/or any other Persons involved complied with the requirements of the Regulations in respect of the acquisition of shares in the Club in July 2021.
Having comprehensively reviewed the relevant issues, the EFL has now determined there is sufficient evidence to justify issuing various charges of Misconduct.
This is the EFL saying the deal was done in July 2021.
Why Captain Sabotage was outing Curran in August 2021 to both the Daily Telegraph and the Manchester Evening News is anyone's guess. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 12:47 - Mar 16 with 2162 views | Brierls |
"A transaction shall in time be declared illegal, not sure its the one you want though....."
You'd have to proceed with the legal action for that to happen. You initiated legal action, you've received the points of defence, and now...
Anything else is just hot air and legal threats. It's no surprise, it's your modus operandi. We know that, you know that, and trying to get a rise on this messageboard doesn't change that. | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 12:59 - Mar 16 with 2084 views | judd |
Oh, hot AIR.
Misread that at first. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 13:10 - Mar 16 with 2013 views | 49thseason |
Well said, at the moment we can only speculate until the EFL puts its cards on the table. We know enough about what has happened to recognise that there were people within the club who intended to benefit personally to the detriment of the club and to the detriment of its employees and other shareholders, rats who thought they were sneaking away from a sinking ship. It is also apparent that Covid rules were used to try and cover their lack of due diligence in assessing potential investors. Even to the unneccessary and probably illegal attempted restrictions on entrance to an AGM by "smaller" shareholders
The forensic examination of employee's computers may well bring the depth of the conspiracy to light and I have no doubt the EFL will take all this into account.
Ultimately, the Directors accept responsibility for a legal entity owned by a multitude of shareholders. That legal entity has been betrayed by a cabal of previous directors and those responsible have been removed from office once the betrayal became public. They had no remit to seek other investment or to aid and abet the purchase and sale of shares between private individuals in contravention of EFL regulations. That they were removed from the Club at the earliest opportunity must surely be recognised by the EFL.
Amidst all this, questions still exist as to the precise ownership of a large tranche of the Club's shares.There are known unknowns and many unknown unknowns I suspect. | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 13:15 - Mar 16 with 1995 views | boromat |
What if it was a company car?
The problem is we were being ran by wrong-uns hopefully they will get what's coming to them but unfortunately for a period of time those wrong-uns by default were the club. We were also trying to be taken over by arguably worse wrong-uns. All wrong-uns broke rules and should be punished.
The true club however fans and community have shone through and taken back control of the club. Hopefully when it comes to any punishment this is taken into account. (I won't hold my breath) | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 13:28 - Mar 16 with 2114 views | 49thseason |
Fiduciary duties and responsibilities of Company Directors...
"Most fiduciary duties have now been set out under company legislation. However, the common law duties still exist in a slightly different form. They establish trust and confidence, bringing in the wider principles of no conflict and no profit.
The main fiduciary duties are:-
to act within the powers conferred by the company’s Memorandum and Articles of Association;
to avoid a conflict of interest;
to act in the best interests of the company;
not to fetter one’s own discretion; and
not to make unauthorised profit."
https://www.franciswilksandjones.co.uk/directors-fiduciary-duties/ | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 13:54 - Mar 16 with 1970 views | rochedale |
Not read all posts so apologies in advance… from that statement I assumed that the charge was regarding the club selling more shares to dilute those of Morton house, is that not the case then? | |
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