| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action 22:01 - Nov 20 with 39104 views | aberhugh |
The violent scenes today in the East stand are a disgrace and were instigated by a group who have in the past displayed openly racist behaviour. During the Cardiff game my daughter and I called out two of this group for shouting racist insults which were vile. Prior to this she had spoken to them about booing taking the knee to which the reply was 'It's political'
Following the game I e-mailed the club with detailed information about the racist behaviour of this group. There was also health and safety concerns regarding these people standing on seats and when we scored and falling on to supporters in front of them and injuring one guy.
I made it clear that I felt this behaviour would be repeated and some overt stewarding would be required with senior stewards present. If my suggestions had been implemented decisive intervention today when the flags were displayed would have prevented the violent scenes. I feel let down by the club and unsupported when tackling racism on the terraces. Lots of fine words before the Cardiff game have not been backed up by action to root out racists. The club must support the fans when they call out racist behaviour as well as their players. My wife tackled them today about booing taking the knee.
I exchanged a number of e-mails with people in the club and identified the problem and perpetrators. The club must now take action to stop this blatant racism and protect the health and safety of supporters. It is time they took seriously their duty of care to us and not leave it to us to police people's behaviour. | | | |  |
| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 12:37 - Nov 21 with 1752 views | Catullus |
Chief, again I'll disagree with the all lies matter thing. All lives should matter equally, all racism is wrong.
The rest of it I am onboard with. There are always some who will claim something cannot have it's meaning changed, that it will always represent something no matter what but meanings can change, well apart from the Swastika but even that had its meaning changed when the Nazi's adopted it.
I don't think taking the knee is purely about racism against black people though. The slogan is 'kick it out' and doesn't it mean all racism?
Again, I heard plenty of clapping when they took the knee yesterday but I didn't hear any booing and I'm in the South end of the East stand. I clapped it myself.
Repeating myself again but if the players are choosing them selves to take the knee and not being forced into it then great, freedom of choice, as it should be. We have sen some players choose not to and black players too.
Some people will always pretend the gesture isn't what most of us recognise it is because it suits their standpoint, as long as the majority get it and the message spreads then hopefully one day we will have kicked all racism out.
The great pity is I don't see that happening in my lifetime but I can dream. | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 12:40 - Nov 21 with 1747 views | Catullus |
Maybe Cardiff having a much larger non white population long before Swansea helped inclusion along. On the basis you are right, that is something Cardiff can be proud of, racism is pure ignorance and stupidity. | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 12:48 - Nov 21 with 1712 views | Dr_Parnassus |
How will the message spread if so many can’t get past the politically affiliated gesture though? Understandably so.
I didn’t see anyone pretending the Kick it Out campaign meant something else, did you? | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 13:39 - Nov 21 with 1646 views | Kilkennyjack |
Point of order from Wiki, Keith.
The United Kingdom consists of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
The United Kingdom is a unitary parliamentary democracy and constitutional monarchy.
The U.K.is a sovereign state.
Your country is Wales, not UK. | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 13:51 - Nov 21 with 1617 views | pencoedjack |
I class my self as British & proud of the fact that my football club has supporters who are happy to be classed as Welsh & those who are happy to be classed as British & can fly whichever flag they want to.
I remember seeing a St Georges flag with a Swans flag on it are those supporters not allowed to follow our football club?
I wonder if fans of Everton & Spurs are so previous & even bother discussing the fact that Welsh flags are seen at games.
Welsh people can be very small minded & there are a few who post on this site. | | | |
| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 14:01 - Nov 21 with 1594 views | bennytheblue |
If you are English then it should be ok to have one…..not sure how that works out in reality. | | | |
| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 14:23 - Nov 21 with 1552 views | 1983 |
We are a Welsh team playing in an English league after being invited by them.
The majority ownership of the club are American.
We play in a country where all the other teams are from another country (bar one).
We got more English players than Welsh players then sing disrespectful songs about the English.
We hate our Welsh footballing neighbours more than any other English team.
I've seen Welsh, Irish, Northern Irish, Union Jacks, Rainbow flags, Spanish flags in Swansea
We have the English pound note and British passport in our pockets.
The whole thing is flucked...... You just have to play the game and smile  | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 14:27 - Nov 21 with 1537 views | Kilkennyjack |
Sort of my point …
Wales is a country
England is a country
Scotland is a country
UK is not a country, its a political union. | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 14:31 - Nov 21 with 1534 views | Kilkennyjack |
The pound belongs as much to Scotland as England. Fact.
You are right on the passport, although these things do change.
Mine used to say EU as well ….. 🇪🇺 | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 14:43 - Nov 21 with 1514 views | Lohengrin |
With an entire larder to choose from the clowns at Yes Cymru had to go and open the one can they shouldn’t have gone within a mile of.
Nice work, ladies. I’d like to wish you the very best of luck...
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 14:48 - Nov 21 with 1497 views | trampie |
Swans joined the football league back in the day. | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 15:09 - Nov 21 with 1427 views | onehunglow |
We are a part of the United Kingdom and our flag is the Union Flag.The Union of the 4 countries.
People either accept that or die bitter | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 15:12 - Nov 21 with 1439 views | Chief |
Well Welsh independence flags have been banned after complaints. People can't start moaning when flags with other opposed and differing politically motivated flags are also banned. | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 15:14 - Nov 21 with 1437 views | Kilkennyjack |
Just saying ‘but military’ is not enough to close down debate on wales future in our unequal and antiquated union.
Almost all of us have family connected to the armed forces.
It does not mean we cannot question that union, indeed we have to - and soon.
If ireland is reunited and scotland votes yes, then its all about wales.
Without reform the union is certainly dead.
Its only by talking about it that it has any chance of a future.
For many, the union flag represents English traditional dominance over the celtic nations.
The uk and England double use of GSTQ speaks to this.
Right or wrong, thats why the union flag causes angst to many on these islands.
Sticking that flag on welsh soldiers does not mean we cannot discuss these matters.
The people who brought the flags clearly wanted this debate, so lets have it.
I will start, the welsh flag is feared by no nation on earth. Sadly we cant say the same for the union flag. Our welsh flag is so good, why would you fly the union flag at swans games ? 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 15:25 - Nov 21 with 1415 views | Flashberryjack |
I booed when they took the knee, yesterday ,and will do until it's stopped or I'm banned from the ground. | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 15:29 - Nov 21 with 1409 views | pencoedjack |
Indeed
We have a bunch of cry babies following the Swans, if someone wanted to fly an Irish tricolour I cant say I would approve but I wouldn't bleat like a little girl to the club about it.
As for Northern Ireland its part of the united kingdom & if someone wants to fly their flag so be it. | | | |
| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 15:31 - Nov 21 with 1400 views | Lohengrin |
Killy, there’s absolutely no appetite outside of internet forums for independence; there’s not even a majority, popular turn-out to justify anything that emanates from Cardiff Bay currently. | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 15:32 - Nov 21 with 1387 views | Treforys_Jack |
How about if it was directly behind you, so anyone looking at it would think it was yours, the owners were nowhere near them. I'm talking about the Cardiff game just for clarity. | | | |
| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 15:38 - Nov 21 with 1366 views | Treforys_Jack |
As is your right, however surely its best to let them get on with their now totally pointless gesture. How many of the players would reject going to the WC in Quatar out of principal. Now that would be refreshing and powerfulto see. | | | |
| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 15:40 - Nov 21 with 1349 views | Chief |
I'll always struggle with the military reasoning too. For one, surely any youngster growing up in South Wales goes in to the army for the job (steady wage), the adventure, maybe to stay on the straight and narrow? Surely not to defend Britain!? And an old lady who you'll never know, meet and cares not one iota for your wellbeing in reality?
Now once in, I can understand how a young person from South Wales surrounded constantly by union jack regalia and English soldiers naturally more in tune to patriotism to Britain can become more embroiled and attached to the notion of Britain.
But then I'd also question the need to when coming back to normal society, in South Wales, for the need to parade flags such as the union jack (or worse) that the vast majority of the other people in the area wouldn't really come into contact with or have much of an affinity with? Going to watch the Swans isn't a military parade or an event like the Olympics where Britain actually takes part.
Some will say Wales aren't competing either, but we are watching football and our national football team is Wales. Plus the fact that we play against English teams most weeks, so the Welsh flags gibe us and a few others a fairly unique identity.
I'm not looking for conflict or belittling anyone's service here. I'm just interested in the subject of nation identity. Always have done. | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 15:41 - Nov 21 with 1344 views | Chief |
Presumably you think the people who got Welsh independence flags banned are cry babies too then? | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 15:47 - Nov 21 with 1328 views | Chief |
It happened yesterday too from what I could see. The people who appeared to own the flag's weren't right in front of them. So don't know why other people closer or nearby who don't want the flag there (no matter what flags they are) should have to put up with them. | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 15:52 - Nov 21 with 1310 views | trampie |
The military should have no more influence on sport than any other professions or groups, just because a bunch of squaddies have taken the King's Schilling (or is it the Queens Schilling these days ?) and seemingly in this case have some imperialist right wing sympathises, that does not mean the whole fanbase should follow suit. | |
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| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 15:55 - Nov 21 with 1285 views | pencoedjack |
Dear God the flags were put up on the back of the stand do people really think that all those with flags sit directly in front / behind their flag.
Their was a guy who used to put up a Hungarian Swans flag just in front of me in the East stand, never once did I think do fans think I’m Hungarian. | | | |
| Racist behaviour and a lack of club action on 15:55 - Nov 21 with 1283 views | Catullus |
The Pound Sterling, like the passport, belongs to the Union. If Scotland left the Union they forfeit the pound unless they accept fiscal control by the bank of England, which would not be true independence. | |
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