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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. 23:50 - Aug 12 with 50219 viewsProfessor

Look at the mess in the American South where vaccination rates are low. Please,
If you have not -get vaccinated

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/12/mississippi-covid-surge-strainin
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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:14 - Aug 31 with 2056 viewsJJJack

I've no truck in this debate but what a disgusting thing to say Catallus. People like you are really the problem. The vaccines are not and cannot be fully vetted as yet as anyone who is informed knows. 2023 would be the earliest date. This doesn't mean to suggest they are "unsafe" - more that they are untested in terms of long term results. On the matter of their unsafeness - the amount of young people dying/developing life changing illnesses is significant - certainly in comparison with the number of YPs dying/developing life changing illnesses from Co vid. You can see this by comparing on the CDC site. If anyone actually bothers to look at these things. Again - people should be allowed to make their own decisions but to simply chuck "anti-vaxxer" as a label at anyone who isn't sure they're doing the right thing is both facile and counter-productive. To suggest these vaccines are "safe" is to ignore the VAERS reports in each country. To suggest Pfizer are a reputable "safe" company is to ignore their 2009 world record fine of $2.3billion for promoting untested drugs. I could go on but one simple look at the case numbers in UK this time last year with no vaccinations versus this year's current numbers quite clearly shows a logical person that POTENTIALLY there is something wrong somewhere.....and as there are only a small % of people who are NOT yet jabbed.....how has this happened and why are significant numbers of fully vaccinated people still dying?
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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 09:53 - Sep 1 with 1971 viewsonehunglow

The likes of Stump are sewer residents who really are causing death worldwide with this farago of lies.

Why would anyone risk a potential killer virus.

What is the alternative to covid .


How is it avoided ?

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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 10:37 - Sep 1 with 1951 viewsRonaldStump

You've got some front eh grandad,
Killer virus? Maybe to vulnerable/Old people yes (it was created in a lab by humans and was meant to do much more damage) ... As it turns out it is No different to the Influenza's , common colds of the world which all kill vulnerable and old people. Unfortunately that's life as we know it, it will never change.

For me you have a choice, get the jab if you want it (if it makes you feel safer) but know the risks ...it's called informed consent.
Me on the other hand i don't want it and NEVER will have it and neither will I be forced to take it without a life being taken.

if you still believe this shamozzle is all about health and the government protecting you from the nasty killer virus then there is really no hope for you.

If you want to avoid it, switch the news off...simple

(He She Him)

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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 10:45 - Sep 1 with 1949 viewsRonaldStump

You seriously need help. You've never proven anything I have said is a lie.
No wind up's just factual
You just keep believing the propaganda and see where you end up, On a social credit system where everything you say and do is controlled.
Have fun with that

(He She Him)

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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:02 - Sep 1 with 1952 viewsProfessor

Top post. Whilst I disagree with many things you say, it is argued rationally and based in reality. Not really got time to reply fully at present, but will in due course.
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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 13:21 - Sep 1 with 1926 viewsCatullus

You think people like me are the problem? I'm all for people being informed and having freedom of choice. Have you not noticed how often Stumpy has called other on here names because they disagree with his opinions?

Didn't Stumpy even say catching the virus was safer than getting vaccinated? Didn't he say the people getting vaccinated were the problem?

Maybe you need to rethink what really is disgusting.

Have the vaccine or not, it's peoples right to choose but it shouldn't be their right to spread lies and propaganda.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 15:30 - Sep 1 with 1892 viewsA_Fans_Dad

"but it shouldn't be their right to spread lies and propaganda. "

But it is OK for the proponents of the Vaccines to do exactly that?
if you don't think lies have been told you have not been paying attention.
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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 15:36 - Sep 1 with 1890 viewsfelixstowe_jack

I think only scientific evidence has been used by those in favour of vaccines.

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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 15:51 - Sep 1 with 1878 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Do you?
Well that is sad.
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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 10:38 - Sep 2 with 1812 viewsJJJack

It wasn't name-calling - that's irrelevant. You said "people like you are killing people". That's what is disgusting. The way the media & govt have whipped up frenzied hatred of others (just like with BLM and Brexit) has enabled people to make comments like yours. And it's a joke. What other contagious disease ever has been blamed on individuals and their behaviour?
The viral loads in unvaccinated people has been shown to be lower in at least one major study recently. So why would Stumpy be the one "killing people"? I genuinely don't get it. And as others have said "you don't die" if you have the vaccine (utter BS by the way - look at the PHE data to see this lie). So why would someone unvaccinated kill a vaccinated person??

Finally - on propaganda lies. I'm afraid that both sides are guilty of telling whoppers. Just because the majority believe the BS coming out of the media doesn't make it true...just look at Brexit for example...all the lies told.
At every juncture we have been lied to by SAGE, the Govt , the media etc. The only country in Western Europe that isn't staging mass protests regularly is the UK. Look at the rest of Europe and unsurprisingly they are kicking up against lockdowns, Vax passports etc. Every weekend. Why do you think the millions protesting are doing this? Are they all "morons"?
If you can show me one country that has demonstrably reduced deaths (not by estimating but by showing REAL data) since mass vax then I'll shut up. Just look at the data in UK, Israel, Iceland etc and look at the increased deaths year on year. I'd just like to know why this is? Can anyone explain this? Can anyone give a single reason to trust AZ or Pfizer as companies?
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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 10:42 - Sep 2 with 1807 viewsRonaldStump

You really are mentally ill. I haven't called anybody names on here for having a differing view . If you want to call someone out on name calling try Professor! that is all he does when he can't back his words up followed by you.
I've always said i'm NOT anti vax but pro choice. The clot shot is not a Vaccine in anybody's book.
For a large number of people getting the virus is much safer than taking the risk of the poison shot. Of course i'd exclude the vulnerable and elderly.
As pointed out the lies and propaganda are coming from you as you just repeat what the criminals in charge of the countries spew.
You and your ilk will be responsible for many more deaths than me.
Wind ya neck in eh

(He She Him)

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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:10 - Sep 2 with 1799 viewsonehunglow

I'll make it simpler.
What is the alternative to a vaccine?
If/when another comes along ,would you trust it and if so why?

If other companies made it,would that make it better.

Right now,people are dying because they have not had a vax -no protection at all. This isnt a case of taking a supplement tablet .It is real.It's highly contagious .

Why should I be more at risk simply because others will not vax.

I'm having a flu jab this week. It's why I have never had flu in recent times.

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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:44 - Sep 2 with 1790 viewsRonaldStump

I've asked you before and you refused to answer me

So i'll give it another go

Do you trust the government?
Do you trust Big Pharma?

In answer to your questions
I'll make it simpler.
What is the alternative to a vaccine?
If/when another comes along ,would you trust it and if so why?
Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine
No Big Pharma don't make money from healthy people

If other companies made it,would that make it better.
Depends what company, what their reputation is like and if they go through correct clinical trials

Right now,people are dying because they have not had a vax -no protection at all. This isnt a case of taking a supplement tablet .It is real.It's highly contagious .
No it's not most people are dying from other diseases, covid just like influenza can kill people with weaker immune systems or comorbidities.

Why should I be more at risk simply because others will not vax.
You're just as much at risk from vaccinated people, if you are living in that much fear stay at home.

I'm having a flu jab this week. It's why I have never had flu in recent times.
I've had flu jab in the past and had worse flu than i did when not having it.

(He She Him)

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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 23:17 - Sep 4 with 1747 viewshowenjack

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-9956777/Boxing-De-La-Hoya-hosp

[Post edited 4 Sep 2021 23:20]
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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:26 - Sep 16 with 1626 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Chester joint manager catches covoid and nearly dies despite being a fit 39 year old.

He bitterly regrets that he was "too busy" to get vaccinated.

Surely every can spare half and to get to vaccination centre to get vaccinated and prevent hospitalisation and ending up in ICU.

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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 12:51 - Sep 17 with 1570 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Some 12,407 people were admitted to hospital in England up to 12th September.

Of these 6230 were under 50.
4517 were unvaccinated 73%
848 only had the first dose 14%
721 had both doses 12%

Given that 10% are unvaccinated, the unvaccinated are 87 times more likely to end up in hospital than the vaccinated.
They are also 73 times more likely to end up in hospital than people who have had a single dose.

Still the anti vaxers claim it is safer to catch coronavirus than to be vaccinated.

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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 14:48 - Sep 17 with 1544 viewsA_Fans_Dad

And the over 50s data?
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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 15:26 - Sep 17 with 1531 viewsScotia

Good question. Thanks for asking.

It shows that 36% of those hospitalised with covid over the age of 50, come from a population of just of about 1.3 million not fully vaccinated people.

The remainder come from a population of 21 million (ish) fully vaccinated people.

When you consider that includes people in their 100's and already incredibly frail that is amazing.

It is crystal clera how fantaastic these vaccines are.
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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 15:29 - Sep 17 with 1530 viewsScotia

I've had my appointment for my booster, within 48 hrs of them being announced.

This vaccine roll out is seriously impressive.
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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 16:24 - Sep 17 with 1515 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Over 50s data as requested
6167 over 50s admitted to hospital
1786 unvaccinated 29%
435 one dose 7%
3173 fully vaccinated 3973 63%

The unvaccinated make up only 5% of the over 50s they are still 6 times as likely to be hospitalised than the fully vaccinated.
Given that many over 70s, over 80s and over 90s are likely to have serious underlying health conditions as well as immune system that are not as robust

Yet again conclusive prove that being vaccinated is safer than catching coronavirus.
The unvaccinated are the people primary catching and spreading the virus.
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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 16:56 - Sep 17 with 1507 viewsDr_Winston

Yep. He clearly realises that he's been a bit of a prat and is making excuses for it now. "Busy". Yeah, right.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 18:57 - Sep 17 with 1473 viewsCatullus

People who spread disinformation, misinformation and lies are responsible for people dying. There are many people who have believed the lies, not taken up the vaccination offer and died. So yes, people like Stumpy who spread these lies are responsible.

Look at it this way, if it turned out Stumpy was right and the vaccine is a bio weapon that will kill millions, people like me who have been pro vaccine will be responsible for our own demise and the demise of those who got vaxed because we fell for the 'government propaganda' and urged others to get vaxed.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 19:32 - Sep 17 with 1451 viewsGwyn737

Those stats are incredible.

A superb outcome 👍
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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 19:49 - Sep 17 with 1438 viewsScotia

They are.

But there's no sign of the bloke who asked the question?
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If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 12:58 - Sep 18 with 1379 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Would that be the same Booster that has been rejected for use by under 65s by the FDA in the USA?
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