| patrick vieira to palace 12:09 - Jun 29 with 10759 views | KeithHaynes |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 20:16 - Jun 29 with 815 views | ItchySphincter |
Utter, utter nonsense. I was posting on topic and you’ve come out with some kind of vendetta. I don’t what you’ve think I’ve said but it’s a case of you believing it because you want to believe it.
I know which way this goes - if you haven’t noticed I haven’t posted on here for months, and you’d be pushed to back up any claims re our ‘sister site’ which you’ve mentioned above, yet it’s taken you, yes you, three or four posts to try to start something, not me. You’ll carry on peddling it regardless and get your fair share of support no doubt.
Shame we couldn’t just stick with the football. | |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 20:17 - Jun 29 with 806 views | onehunglow |
So has Veira gone | |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 20:20 - Jun 29 with 802 views | ItchySphincter |
Depends what the metric is. Brighton has more boots on the ground, Fulham may have spent more time at a higher level. Average it out and they’re not that different but for a personal point of view, having been to both clubs numerous times, Brighton is bigger to me. | |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 21:23 - Jun 29 with 745 views | AndyCole |
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Fulham is huge. And play proper football like the Swans. A good fit.
BUT: Ow mwsh - don't be lowering ewer standards of visitor for the new Towers, mun. You can't be havin grown ups that still type/say 'Should OF' out loud, in public. Certainly not grammar school educated. | |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 21:27 - Jun 29 with 743 views | onehunglow |
I do try to be common but often fail. It's why Ive never fitted in AC | |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 22:04 - Jun 29 with 731 views | Dr_Parnassus |
That’s total points amassed, it’s not a calculation of club size.
Fulham would be the 5th or 6th biggest club in the Championship without question and also bigger than some Premier League teams. | |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 22:05 - Jun 29 with 730 views | Dr_Parnassus |
(Forgot to quote. This was to Whiterockin who predictably framed it underhanded and asked if they are saying he’s not worth the money)
I don’t know what they are saying.
3.5m is crazy money for a manager in the championship. I would imagine they are saying they will pay us millions, but not that many millions. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 23:08]
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| patrick vieira to palace on 22:08 - Jun 29 with 728 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Nope Fulham are bigger than Brighton by quite some distance.
Attendance, history, achievements, placement in the overall football league.
Fulham are bigger than Brighton. Brighton have spent most of their life in the bottom 2 divisions, sometimes with 2000 watching them.
This charade is amusing though. | |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 22:11 - Jun 29 with 716 views | Dr_Parnassus |
It isn’t even close, that’s just one aspect.
We can then do one on attendance, seasons in the top flight, European seasons. Fulham are miles ahead.
I can’t think of one single criteria that makes Brighton a bigger club then Fulham except their current league position which is absolutely nothing to go on as it would mean Brentford are a bigger club than Forest or Sheff Utd for example.
I have a sneaking suspicion the usual crew of course know Fulham are far bigger than the likes of Brighton but are just on a bit of a silly Rampage at the moment.
The interest in Cooper has got them all flustered bless em. | |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 22:13 - Jun 29 with 710 views | Dr_Parnassus |
He’s going to be remembered as the manager nobody wanted isn’t he?
And the man with no self respect....
Oh no, that would only apply if Cooper got it.  | |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 22:25 - Jun 29 with 690 views | Groo |
Its not total points massed, its a point for position.
For instance, whoever is first in the Premier League this year will get 92 points, the team bottom of League 2 will get 1 point. The points for first over the years varied in the early years.
very simplistic but gives an overall idea of how successful a team has been in the Professional leagues since the 1880's. | |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 22:35 - Jun 29 with 674 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Yes, you are right. But that’s what I mean. It’s based on your total amassed points (which of course as you say is converted from individual league position for that year) as opposed to anything within the club itself such as fan base, seasons in the top flight, European seasons etc.
It will show an average of your clubs standing in terms of league position. Fulham is obviously way and above Swansea and Brighton on that.
Then you have to move on to other factors such as average attendance (Fulham higher than both again), number of seasons in the top flight (Fulham higher again) and number of European seasons achieved through the English system (Fulham higher again).
I think that would cover most bases regarding club size. | |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 22:46 - Jun 29 with 665 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Sounds like you agree anyway Groo, but this is what I had to show Risca when he was trying to claim Brighton were bigger than Fulham. (Mind you this was days after claiming Fulham were not bigger than us until I showed him otherwise).
Fulham.
Years in top flight: 27
Average lifetime finish: 30
Average lifetime attendance: 16,084
Palace.
Years in top flight: 21
Average lifetime finish: 32
Average lifetime attendance: 16,282
Brighton.
Years in top flight: 8
Average lifetime position: 39
Average lifetime attendance: 12,315
Bournemouth.
Years in top flight: 5
Average lifetime position: 63
Average lifetime attendance: 7,300
Fulham and Palace would be fairly close. But Fulham for me as attendance and average league position are almost identical but have been more of an ever present at the top table. | |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 22:56 - Jun 29 with 651 views | AndyCole |
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Not only is Fulham far bigger than Brighton, but they are famous for playing a similar brand of progressive possession based canny football to the Swans.
No wonder Cooper is being courted by a team like Fulham, whilst Brighton settled for Potter-ball's all a bit meh brand, which bored the pants off even the hard core East-North-East. | |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 23:04 - Jun 29 with 651 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I have made the statement that Fulham will be higher than Brighton within a 3/4 year contract length of time.
Couldn’t get any takers for a bet from the usual mob though. Funny that. | |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 23:12 - Jun 29 with 645 views | 34dfgdf54 |
I’ll have a bet with you regarding both managers. No problem at all. The clubs don’t really interest. Anyone with half a brain cell knows Potter received the better offers, it’s quite clear and unfortunately another to add on to your list.
See where both managers are in 3 years? | | | |
| patrick vieira to palace on 23:16 - Jun 29 with 629 views | Dr_Parnassus |
So you aren’t really keen on your claims regarding the clubs then? That was just to continue to be silly regarding your Potter love in?
If Brighton is a better offer than Fulham, then Brighton will be in a better position than Fulham over the length of a 3/4 year contract won’t they?
Sorry lad, you don’t pick and choose. Back your claims or don’t back them, that simple.
You are choosing not to. Predictably. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 23:18]
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| patrick vieira to palace on 23:27 - Jun 29 with 617 views | 34dfgdf54 |
If I was a manager now, and I got offered a role at Forest, or Brighton, the better option financially and for my career would be Brighton. Premier league club with all the trimmings. It’s quite clear. Fulham have just lost their manager to a smaller club in the Championship. The offers aren’t even close. The salary both managers will be on aren’t even close.
Where will both managers be in three years time. I’ll take that bet any day of the week. Name your price. I’m in. | | | |
| patrick vieira to palace on 23:33 - Jun 29 with 606 views | Dr_Parnassus |
That’s because Forest haven’t been in the premier league for decades and have no immediate expectations of a return within what would be a 3/4 year contract length.
If you were offered Brighton now or Fulham now, I would most certainly be choosing Fulham because it’s more likely they will be in a better position than Brighton over that 3/4 year contract length also meaning I will have a promotion on my CV as opposed to a relegation.
You are welcome to place that bet.
As for where both managers will be, who knows, depends what job he does or doesn’t take. Far too many variables. He may stay with us in which case I’m sure Brighton will be above Swansea within 3/4 years, we have very little immediate return prospects. But that was never the discussion.
The discussion was Brighton vs Fulham.
Sh*t or get off the pot champ. | |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 23:38 - Jun 29 with 598 views | 34dfgdf54 |
Copper could take over Fulham tomorrow, be sacked by Christmas and their replacement work miracles.
Brighton could lose Potter make terrible decisions and find themselves relegated like bigger and better clubs like West Ham and Newcastle have previously.
No club apart from the major ones are not in danger of relegation. How many times have Fulham been relegated over last 10 years? I believe Brighton are a bigger club than them, 100%, but I also believe Forest are bigger club than both and look where they are.
Cooper and Potter, three years, put up or shut up it’s that simple. Let me know price by the morning. You’re second coming AndyCole can get involved too I’ll double the stake. | | | |
| patrick vieira to palace on 23:40 - Jun 29 with 591 views | Dr_Parnassus |
You have yet again fraudulently changed our discussion and introduced a whole new bet to a discussion we have not had.
To ease your concerns, if Potter gets sacked then we will just take his best finishing position with them, and see if Fulham beat that within 4 years... happy?
So, to sum up our actual discussions that haven’t been altered by you now that you are being challenged to put up or shut up ......
1) let’s have a bet that Coopers compensation will be more than Parkers. You obviously think it will be less considering we don’t want Cooper and Fulham wanted to keep Parker according to you of course.
2) let’s have a bet on what is the better offer, Fulham or Brighton. I believe that within 3/4 years, Fulham will be higher placed than Brighton. Or if you want, to properly compare. We can take the highest position of Brighton since Potter took over (plus their next two) and we will see if Fulham beats it within the next 4? Or of course Potters best Brighton finish vs Fulham’s in the next 4 years... Fair?
Both those bets are bang on discussion and both should be happy to take it... unless one of us was only pretending to have that view in order to be obtuse toward someone they feel intellectually threatened by on the internet of course, which I’m sure won’t be the case?
What you reckon? £100 on each? Maybe we can donate to the site owners cause?
Sh*t or get off the pot champ. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 23:43]
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| patrick vieira to palace on 23:42 - Jun 29 with 588 views | 34dfgdf54 |
Potter or Cooper, three years.
£200 to the site owners cause. I’ve explained my stance on the clubs.
Have faith in your convictions Doc, you’re a betting man. | | | |
| patrick vieira to palace on 23:46 - Jun 29 with 580 views | Dr_Parnassus |
That hasn’t been the discussion Risca. As you know. If Cooper is still with Swansea then I’m sure Brighton and Potter will both be above them, you are asking me to bet on something that is not my opinion.
What we discussed was Brighton being a better offer than Fulham. So let’s see where they are in 4 years, I’m even giving you a head start considering Brighton are already in the PL?
You also think that Cooper isn’t wanted by the club and that Parker was. So let’s compare compensation levels, whoever is higher wins.
You have been exposed. | |
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| patrick vieira to palace on 23:48 - Jun 29 with 578 views | Fireboy2 |
Think my prediction won't be far off by tomorrow. | | | |
| patrick vieira to palace on 23:53 - Jun 29 with 575 views | 34dfgdf54 |
That comment I made about exposing you has really flicked your switch hasn’t it doc. It’s true though so can’t take it back unfortunately.
Brighton is absolutely a better offer than Fulham. It’s obvious, you know that aswell. As I said, how could I put money on something if I don’t know who Brighton will replace Potter with, every manager appt is a risk. Fulham the same, it could go either way. The discussion was on the offers both managers had from their work here, one is miles better than the other in every area.
I do believe the club would like a clean break from Cooper and we will get lower than asking price in compo. What that figure is I have no idea. I also wouldn’t be surprised if we get nothing in the end. It’s an opinion, i have no inside knowledge, it’s just a gut feeling which I’m happy to see play out.
I’ll say once more. Cooper and Potter, three years, £200 for Keith’s cause. | | | |
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