Forum | It’s all kicking off in Iraq right now by SgorioFruit

How on earth you can call a country with Iran's current record on women's human rights modern and sophisticated? If you do a little bit of googling referencing agencies like Amnesty International you'll see how far off the mark your comments are.

Posting rubbish will always get a poor response. As to the missile attack here are some clues before the fact.

Refusing international observers
Refusing to release the black box
Saying it would take many months to analyse black box data
Clearing the crash site
Bulldozing over the crash site

What's the most plausible hypothesis based on these statements and facts?

Iran kills more of its own people than any county but China, so not such a rare occurrence for Iran to kill its own people.

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Flashberryjack

It's pretty obvious the Americans did it mun.

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Darran

I keep telling you why,it’s because he’s an embarrassing ćunt.

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longlostjack

Just a pity that Trump decided to rip up the nuclear agreement just when protests against the Mullahs were gathering pace and they were feeling the heat. Horrible thing to say but if any good is to come out of the tragic downing of that aircraft it’s that it may reignite protests against the regime. Trump needs to keep his trap shut.

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controversial_jack

Human rights,like Saudi , Israel and China? International observers were invited. Why would they hand over the black box to a foreign country when international protocol states that the country where the accident takes the investigation.

The US also bulldozed the site of ground zero after 9/11 and moved all the wreckage where it wasn't seen again

Iran has the death penalty , so has the USA and another 30 countries That's their business , although I don't agree with it

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A_Fans_Dad

Is that you Corbyn?

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Darran

No it’s CuÅ„tyn.

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JACKMANANDBOY

I'm glad you accept that Iran has significant human rights violations. The country where an air accident happens leads the investigation but has responsibility to share access and information to prescribed counties, look it up it's all available on line.

There are too many threads about the 9/11 conspiracy theories to start another one, the point about Iran's use of the death penalty is its disproportionate use for questionable offences again you look this up using reliable independent sources on line.

Iran is not a modern, sophisticated and forward thinking country. Ask your closest female relation to hold up a sign in London saying Boris Johnson is gay, then ask the same person to go to Tehran and hold a sign saying the Ayotolla is gay and you'll be able to see why your assertions are unfounded.

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JACKMANANDBOY

It's very difficult to see a way through the complications of the middle east, both the US and Iran are/have been instrumental in destabilising the area. As you say hopefully something positive emerges, the European s seem to be making more noise about de-escalation.

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AnotherJohn

The news item I mentioned earlier is on the BBC website now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-51077352/iran-plane-crash-missile-struck-und

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Jack_Meoff

Iran is actually a country in that area. Call me pedantic but that kind of gives them an excuse to be there. As it's where they geographically exist.

What is the US doing in the region again? I've kind of lost track.

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JACKMANANDBOY

The long history probably means most people have lost track!

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controversial_jack

I've already told you that Iran has invited outside investigates in to observe.I didn't say it's a forward looking country, but it is a modern one with a decent infrastructure, despite having sanctions put on it by a certain country.

There are many in America who would have gays executed and who would imprison women for abortion.I believe even sex toys are banned in Talabama

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Jack_Meoff

Some links that may or may not be of interest.

The men on Israel's potential hit list. Guess who was number one? I was going to add 'with a bullet' but it's probably not appropriate.

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Who-are-the-men-on-Israels-potential-hit-list-

Netanyahu boasting about how he convinced Trump to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-recording-netanyahu-boasts-israel-convinced-tru

Republican senator Mike Lee's opinion on a recent military briefing.

'Lee says his frustration is not over Soleimani's killing.

"It was instead about the possibility of future military action against Iran. And it was on that topic they refused to make any commitment about when, whether and under what circumstances it would be necessary for the president – for the executive branch of government – to come to Congress seeking authorization for the use of military force," he says. "I find that unacceptable." '

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/09/794889264/gop-senator-calls-white-house-cavalier-

Gareth Porter writing in The American Conservative:

'The fingerprints of Pompeo are all over this provocation to war. In a striking parallel to the deception that accompanied the Gulf of Tonkin crisis in 1964–in which the American public was told about an attack on a U.S. ship that never happened, precipitating the Vietnam War–Pompeo and his allies carried out a complex deception in regard to the Soleimani hit.'

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/pompeos-gulf-of-tonkin-incident

As the age old question goes - cui bono?

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