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Deforestation in Indonesia is mostly to grow palm oil. This is a "green" initiative by the EU. 2/3rds of that oil is used for electrical generation and biodiesel. See the graph at bottom of the article below, the EU madness of destroying the world now to possibly save the world in the future.
WRONG. They adjusted the data, they didn't "adjust" the data. They weren't "caught", they were "smeared".
"Global warning isn't in question but it's a naturally occurring cycle."
HALF-WRONG. Yes, it occurs in cycles. However, on this occasion it's almost exclusively man-made. That has been sufficiently proven that it no longer even needs debating.
I herewith deduct one mark from the Big C for the lazy smear, and add one mark as it's Christmas.
"WRONG. They adjusted the data, they didn't "adjust" the data. They weren't "caught", they were "smeared". "
Thery are still "adjusting" the data, especially the land surface temperatures, the sea surface temperatures and sea levels. None more so than the Australian BOM with their Land Surface temperatures. You just carry on believing them, as the old saying goes "ignorance is bliss".
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This one is for any bed wetting Climate Emergency believers. on 15:25 - Dec 13 with 1922 views
What nonsense, how can something that occurs naturally be almost exclusively man made? It goes on all the time and we are adding to the effect not almost exclusively causing it.
The Independent article explains it. If you read it.
“To some degree, we think that ancient ocean acidification events are good analogues for what’s happening now with anthropogenic CO2 emissions,” Professor Jacobson said.
Of course, it's a problem when the previous conditions were completely unhabitable for humans.
Not only that but they have just found 3000 year old tree stumps appearing from under a glacier in Iceland clearly showing that it was far warmer before 3000 years ago and there was no run away warming, instead it got colder and there was a lot more ice formed since. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070705153019.htm
Why do you say that "the the previous conditions were completely unhabitable for humans. "?
The level of CO2 at the start of the Cretaceous was over 2000ppm not 400ppm we have now and global temperatures were about 22C compared to Africa at 35C when humans eveolved.
The Cambrian period saw levels in excess of 7000ppm and no runaway warming, in fact at the end of the Ordovician period with 4000ppm there was an Ice Age.
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This one is for any bed wetting Climate Emergency believers. on 17:06 - Dec 13 with 1874 views
The first link, "notrickszone" is a website that pulls random graphs from studies in the 1950s. Some of them can't even be attributed to any specific text.
There's no author on the sciencedaily link and it proves nothing other than evidence for natural climactic variation. Of course, none of this historical variation has ever been accelerated by anthropogenic influence. Most people with common sense can see that.
In the spiegel link:
"Joerin is quick to explain that he is not trying to explain away the effects of man-made warming of the past few years: "Our findings so far could also be seen as giving the exact opposite of a climatic all-clear," he says. "If we can prove that there were ancient forests where the glaciers are today, it means one thing in particular: that the climate can change more suddenly than we thought."
‘Why do you say that "the the previous conditions were completely unhabitable for humans. "?
The level of CO2 at the start of the Cretaceous was over 2000ppm not 400ppm we have now and global temperatures were about 22C compared to Africa at 35C when humans eveolved. ’
Sorry, but I don’t understand this. Are you saying that you think humans were around during the Cretaceous period? Those dinosaurs must have given them a fright ...
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This one is for any bed wetting Climate Emergency believers. on 18:08 - Dec 13 with 1839 views
What difference does it make how long humans have been around when natural cycles dwarf current conditions? But for your information about 3 million years.
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This one is for any bed wetting Climate Emergency believers. on 18:19 - Dec 13 with 1826 views
Not just him that is an accepted representation of the Geologic earth, like I said try googling historic atmospheric CO2 levels to get you past the Vostok ice core data, which by the way does not show the temperatures that lead the CO2 by at least 800 years. http://climateilluminated.com/history/slides/4_Vostok_data.html
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This one is for any bed wetting Climate Emergency believers. on 18:54 - Dec 13 with 1802 views
So the average global temperature is currently <16C and without clothing and heating we would die in most northern and southern latitudes. And the world is calling it a climate emergency if the temperature gets up to 17C. And you believe it?
Are you aware that most of the increase in average global temperature is in minimum (night time) temperatures and isn't that a good thing?
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This one is for any bed wetting Climate Emergency believers. on 19:43 - Dec 13 with 1775 views
The average as they call it is based on the old max/min thermometers. They recorded the max during the day & the min during the night. They added them up and divided by 2 to get a sort of average, which when you think about it is nonsense. It could be hot for 5 hours medium for 18 hours and cold for an hour depending on cloud cover etc. They do record all three so that we can work out the max & min trends as well as the average. But climate scientists do not present those results to the public, just average. This will give you an idea https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235227477_Maximum_and_Minimum_Temperatu
They also do not present the data as temperatures, but anomalies from the base line period that they set. They also create the scientific cardinal sin of combining air temperatures which change very quickly and sea surface temperatures (also adjusted) which change very slowly. But it is OK they are "scientists".
They do a lot of adjustments and extrapolation to actually get a global average because there are massive areas of the earth with no readings at all. It is also interesting that they do not use all the thermometers that they could. They also do a lot of infilling of data with "estimates" (ie make it up).
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This one is for any bed wetting Climate Emergency believers. on 20:57 - Dec 13 with 1743 views
I know which is why I've said warming is part of a natural cycle. I also said we are adding to the warming, in so doing making it worse, happen ore quickly.
The seas will rise again and coastlines will be badly hit, it's our own fault for building cities right on the coast. Mumbles seafront will be under water one day., Singleton hospital will have the tide lapping at its doors..
At 1.8mm per year it is going to take quite a while. I think that you will find it will change again before then, just think of how much snow there has been in the northern hemisphere over the last 3 years, the mountain snow packs are melting less quickly now and the Great Lakes are full.
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This one is for any bed wetting Climate Emergency believers. on 21:19 - Dec 13 with 1725 views
Yes, and when you look at those graphs, such as the one you link to showing elevated CO2 in the early Cambrian, you also need to realise that global sea-levels at that time we’re some 300m-400m above where they are now.
We’d be having beach parties half way up Black Mountain.
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