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I see Farage has made Jonson an election deal he could not possibly accept. If the Brexit Party do run in Scottish and Welsh continuances it will be interest. The leave vote will be fragmented, couldn’t call it as a split. The Labour vote will also be impacted. In Scotland there is a high percentage of seats with less than a 1,500 imajority. Some of which are are 3 and even a 4 way contest. Even if Nigel’s gang only took 1% each of the Conservative and Labour voted, then they will both loose most of their Scottish seats. Do not ever want a Tory government but personally I can’t see they won’t get a majority. If they do the workers rights will go up in smoke.
On another note hard to believe Nigel Farage was a Punk Rocker in his day. But images and politics are both changeable.
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General election looming? on 16:57 - Nov 1 with 2418 views
Well argued. The key workers' rights legislation you miss out of course is the 1945-49 Welfare State legislation introduced by a Labour Gov. even before the Iron & Steel Community was formed (you also miss out the Tories anti-Trades Unions legislation since 1979). Clearly UK legislation has introduced more workers rights than the EU. So why do Remainers see the EU as so important to Workers Rights - I think it's because the EU as they see it offers a guarantee against the possibility that the British Electorate will be willing to abandon such rights under the leadership of a a 'populist' government. It's the same argument as those who want a Bill of Rights - to make it more difficult for a future government to reduce such rights by 'protecting' them with constitutional authority (like the US and the 2nd Amendment)
The Tories set out to crush the Trade Unions after the Miners strike and by and large they succeeded. Without effective trade union representation you are basically stuffed in today's economic climate. You're on your own. To say the Tories are remotely interested in workers rights is beyond a joke.
Let me just give you one example. When I first started work you could be fired for no reason what so ever after 3 weeks. That was your probationary period and you had no rights at all. The first thing Mrs Thatcher did, after giving the army, the police, and the judges massive pay rises, was to increase that period to three months. Before too long that was increased to six months. Within a year or two that had been increased again to 1 year and then subsequently to 2 years.
So what that meant is that you could be fired for no reason at all until you'd actually worked for a company for two years. You could be fired after that time but at least if you had a case for unfair dismissal you could take to an employment tribunal. That was before the Tories more or less outlawed tribunals by making access to them prohibitively expensive. What some really unscrupulous employers used to do was to fire people after 51 weeks and take them back on again so they never had any employment rights at all, ever.
To the eternal shame of the Blair government they only reduced that period back to to 12 months.
I'm out of the employment law loop now but I was told recently that the Tories have increased it again back to 2 years.
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General election looming? on 21:37 - Nov 1 with 2261 views
Never viewed this in an EU law context. Absolutely I am a unashamed trade unionist. When we leave the EU I can see the Tories appeasing those trade bodies that wanted us to be close to the EU post the break up by bolstering employer rights. This in order to keep us competitive while WTO tarrifs are in place ahead of trade deals being struck.
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General election looming? on 12:52 - Nov 2 with 2072 views
I thought one of the main arguments for leave was to make sure we would be governed from westminster through our elected MPs not from brussels by non elected euros. Surely if we elect folks to westminster to protect or improve workers rights we can exceed what brussels offers. In the same way there is nothing to stop EU becoming more right wing and amending current legislation on working conditions for the worse at some point in the future.
We might even be able to determine what we can put in our meat products and wether we can call them sausages.
Who do we want governing us, westminster or brussels?
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General election looming? on 13:26 - Nov 2 with 2049 views
"Who do we want governing us, westminster or brussels?" For some I suspect a socially liberal Brussels govt is preferable to a reactionery Westminster one. It's the democracy dilemma!
But the reactionarry westminster one was elected by UK residents ( unlike the brussels lot) so we have the ability to change that, not so with brussels sprouts.
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General election looming? on 22:37 - Nov 2 with 1935 views
course ill excuse you James...yes we do, but the powers of the EU elected chamber are much less than the powers of westminsters elected chamber. The commission is the body that tuns the show and we dont get a say in that.
Also while we elect MEPs so do bulgarians, rumanians, estonians etc. So what happens in the UK is not determined only by UK MEPs and citizens. So even if every UK MEP votes against something affecting the UK, its how the other countrues MEPs vote that will determine the outcome.
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General election looming? on 21:54 - Nov 6 with 1731 views
Bit like the relationship between Parliament and the other home nations then.The powers of the EU Parliament are less but it's the Council that 'runs the show' - all elected politicians (The Commission is more like our Civil Service); but yes it does mean having to consider the views of others, making a collective decision, compromising - it's like any good family.
The whole political system is now geared towards attacking mps and not the parties manifestos like it used to be. I blame Cameron for this as he used the dirty tricks campaign to get in power in 2010 and its snowballed from there.
The GE will be all about Brexit and that will be in the tories favour as your regular joe voter will not be bothered about anither GE and in December aswell.
I can see more tory voters than labour voters hitting to poll stations as remember a while back a guy on one of the election night programmes stated that an tory voter will always vote as they want more n more via tory government where as a labour working class voter will rather stay in or do something else...
Looking at the 2019 General Election its a poor selection on who you give your × to. Boris Johnson is not to be trusted and he is a liar...so no. Jeremy corbyn and labours stance on Brexit is a no for me. Nigel Farage a guy who cannot put himself up to be elected isnt trustworthy...so a no for me. Jo Swinton i can never ever vote for the libdems they would be wirse than the tories if they ever got a majority and this country would be goosed totally.. As for the rest not worth my vote as voting for any of them is only a worthless protest vote.....
So basically myself like a few others im not voting as we have had over 3yrs of a democratic referendum that nobody in parliament will recognise.....
My all time favourite Dale player Mr Lyndon Symmonds
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General election looming? on 12:56 - Nov 7 with 1525 views
"Nigel Farage a guy who cannot put himself up to be elected isnt trustworthy...so a no for me" By that logic there are only about 3000 people in the country that ARE trustworthy and they are all candidates to get elected. On the basis that Guy Fawkes was the last person to enter Parliament with an honest intent I presume you actually trust MPs? How very novel. Do you actually trust the EU to make the best decsions for the UK?
This election is about deciding whether or not you want to be able to hold UK MPs to account for the way they spend your money and make decsisions on your behalf. Or if you prefer to have those decisions made or influenced by a committee of 28 countries. Its about whether you believe this country has thrived and prospered from EU rules and regulations that have been put into UK law or if you believe we might have been better off without their influence in our affairs. There is only one party that proposes to leave the EU and put us firmly in charge of our own destiny.
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