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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 10:34 - Sep 7 with 1286 views | TimSaint |
No - the question is why do you (and others) continue to post your political rants on the football section? [Post edited 7 Sep 2019 10:35]
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 10:55 - Sep 7 with 1260 views | arfurdent |
because the way things are going we will be getting a brand of controlled democracy whereby the politicians will be deciding what the electorate needs or should think.
The ability to post a "political rant" may well be considered non-democratic | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 11:41 - Sep 7 with 1226 views | A_Saint_in_Stoke |
NO SAINTS INFORMATION - NO GAME - JUST LOOK HOW MANY OTHER NONE FOOTBALL POSTS ON HERE .... OUR MP'S ARE TELLING US ..... YOUR VOTE DOES NOT COUNT - WE KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU - I DISAGREE! OK? | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 11:46 - Sep 7 with 1222 views | A_Saint_in_Stoke |
NO SAINTS INFORMATION - NO GAME - JUST LOOK HOW MANY OTHER NONE FOOTBALL POSTS ON HERE .... OUR MP'S ARE TELLING US ..... YOUR VOTE DOES NOT COUNT - WE KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU - I DISAGREE! OK? | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 11:51 - Sep 7 with 1212 views | Kennington |
The Brexit Russian bot strikes again on a Southampton football based forum. | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 12:01 - Sep 7 with 1209 views | TripleNiemi |
No need to shout..... | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 12:05 - Sep 7 with 1199 views | kingslandstand1 |
He has to cos no one's listening to him | | | |
| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 12:07 - Sep 7 with 1196 views | TripleNiemi |
Well perhaps if he took off to the 'non football' related forum he might just get more responses. That said, probably not... [Post edited 7 Sep 2019 12:07]
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 12:34 - Sep 7 with 1172 views | itoldyouso |
Yeah not like closing down Parliament of course ...really democratic...in a north korean kind of way | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 12:37 - Sep 7 with 1169 views | itoldyouso |
As Nicolas Soames so eloquently said, they are a 'Brexit sect' ...a cult
Like all cults their leaders appear even weirder than their followers...well I dunno about this one what with Dune as a footsoldier | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 12:44 - Sep 7 with 1167 views | Bison |
I'm sure I've seen posts in the past where you said you were a leaver or sceptical regarding the EU. What changed your mind ? | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 12:50 - Sep 7 with 1163 views | arfurdent |
yeah well Soames is an Establishment cu*t | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 13:40 - Sep 7 with 1138 views | I_would |
If Uglies are choosing Don Quiprowsey as a starter then it doesn't matter what thread anything goes on as no one would know the difference. | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 15:04 - Sep 7 with 1094 views | Saintsforeverj |
The most dangerous thing is that yes, a majority voted to leave in a democratic vote. It is not up to politicians to decide that they don't like the idea in my opinion.
When Trump was elected, the people could have said "We can't have him as president because he is racist, dangerous blah blah blah. BUT he was democratically elected: the majority of American people wanted him. So, who can argue what the people want? Do you have a system where you say " You can vote but you have to vote for someone / a party which is: PC, well-spoken, good manners, gives to the poor etc or your vote won't count.
The biggest deceit from opposition parties in the UK, is that they voted against a deal and now they are voting against no deal. So I assume they would prefer to ignore 17.4 million people, remain and do as they want and not as the vote instructed. Very dangerous for democracy and our future I think. | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 15:52 - Sep 7 with 1074 views | I_would |
The powers that bleed seem to be putting out new laws by the second to regulate us to the hilt but don't seem to have any real laws to control parliament. I think we're in for over a decade of wrangling regarding the (lack of) constitution. There will be no Brexit due to criminal anti-democrats.
And, seeing as you asked, no I definitely wouldn't start Pacy Prowsey as he has been less than average all season. | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 17:04 - Sep 7 with 1027 views | itoldyouso |
'The most dangerous thing is that yes, a majority voted to leave in a democratic vote'
A majority of those who voted, basing their opinion on what turned out to be lies.
' It is not up to politicians to decide that they don't like the idea in my opinion.'
The vote was advisory, this was made clear.....it is actually non binding
'When Trump was elected, the people could have said "We can't have him as president because he is racist, dangerous blah blah blah. '
Glad you accept he is racist
BUT he was democratically elected: the majority of American people wanted him. So, who can argue what the people want?
The majority of Americans who voted actually voted for Clinton she won the popular vote, that is the same method employed for the EU referendum...so are you saying that method is void just because you dont like the outcome? Or that its the correct way which would mean according to your definition of legitimacy Clinton should have won. You appear confused
Do you have a system where you say " You can vote but you have to vote for someone / a party which is: PC, well-spoken, good manners, gives to the poor etc or your vote won't count.
What a terrible idea voting for a party that looks after everyone and reflects british values of civil decency what would the tory press make of that? Oh I know they would lie and smear it
The biggest deceit from opposition parties in the UK, is that they voted against a deal and now they are voting against no deal.
No its not, that doesnt make sense, I think even you know this and are chancing it. The role of parliament is to scrutinise the executive...even back benchers in the governing party are expected to do that, thats why May couldnt sort anything out and the tin pot autocrat Johnson has completely failed already. He is unfit to govern, has not even engaged with europe seriously in terms of coming up with alternatives, hasnt got a single answer or the will to get it done, his whole point is to protect the interests of a small elite pooping themselves over incoming eu legislation on tax avoidance and transparency. Johnson cant even command the confidence of his own party and he has the primeministerial power of patronage. Corbyn is holding him prisoner in no 10, its hilarious. Johnson is not acting in the national interest or even the wider interests of the ruling class, he represents a very very narrow elite. No deal is a s**t storm. I didnt vote remain it doesnt mean I voted no deal, Johnson said it would be a million to one chance that it would happen, Leave said it wouldnt happen......Johnson has shown his lies up once more
So I assume they would prefer to ignore 17.4 million people, remain and do as they want and not as the vote instructed.
The vote was advisory as I said earlier, it was not an instruction, I feel sad you have been so seriously mislead by the leave campaign.
Very dangerous for democracy
The imbalance of power in the media owned by foreign billionaires paying no taxes certainly is ...people cant make an informed choice and other voices get drowned out by he who has the biggest wallet
and our future I think.
If we accept governments of idiots and point the finger elsewhere then yes it is because you are not holding those responsible to account but looking for a scapegoat for your own feelings of shame at being conned | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 17:22 - Sep 7 with 1018 views | Marcus_y |
We went past that state a long time ago sir. I could give you some examples of how state controls and orders, which must be obeyed at all time etc., are now fully in effect and how there is a total bias and lack of lawful action by courts and authorities in some cases. | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 17:53 - Sep 7 with 1005 views | Saintsforeverj |
This is nonsense. David Cameron promised that the referendum result would be enacted whether it was advisory or not - there is the lie. You don't promise to the people that the result will be enacted and the not do it. Whether the leave campaign lied or not is besides the point. Most leave voters just want to leave to EU, end of. By your logic, we should have cancelled the coalition government as both manifestos were lies- tuition fees being the obvious example.
Whatever system is in place, that is the system. Trump won in America and leave won here in the referendum. If we start cancelling democratic votes that is very dangerous and / or you don't allow people to vote in the first place. [Post edited 7 Sep 2019 17:55]
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 17:58 - Sep 7 with 994 views | Marcus_y |
If remain had won, he would be posting what you just said, if the leavers had kicked up. Their childish hypocrisy knows no bounds. | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 18:17 - Sep 7 with 984 views | Occasional_Showers |
Emily yo yo’s with Jezza. | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 18:20 - Sep 7 with 982 views | 1885_SFC |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 18:36 - Sep 7 with 973 views | Marcus_y |
Actually, surely the Queen is going to have to intervene on all this? We cannot go on hamstrung like this. It is never ending. | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 10:10 - Sep 8 with 797 views | DorsetIan |
The problem is - and this is the heart of it for me - even if the majority of leave voters ‚just wanted to leave, end of‘ there were only 52% of them to start with. A majority of them might only equate to 27%.
And it’s not just individual lies, it’s that leaving without a deal was simply not what any of the leave campaigns offered. Their vision was of a ‚leave‘ where basically we left but everything remained the same - full access to the single market under an easily organised trade deal, no mention of the difficulties in Northern irekand, no mention that there might be an abrupt stop.
And based on that vision of a very friendly or ‚soft‘ Brexit, they won, narrowly...(The British people in 2016 were a sensible, moderate, pragmatic lot and they would not have voted for a radical Break as ‚no deal‘ now promises)
...and then as soon as the vote was won the leavers shifted tack and THEN laid out a vision of the hardest possible Brexit - using this as a reason to vote down (and out) Theresa May, who had in fact pretty much delivered the Brexit they had originally promised.
You can like it or leave it but that is what happened. So f*ck them and their language of betrayal, traitors, collaborators and surrender. It’s just a fight against unscrupulous extremist nutters now and it’s got absolutely nothing to do with ‚the will of the people‘. | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 10:57 - Sep 8 with 768 views | Marcus_y |
The problem is - and this is the heart of it for me - even if the majority of leave voters ‚just wanted to leave, end of‘ there were only 52% of them to start with. A majority of them might only equate to 27%.
Utter madness. Only 52% of them equates to 27%. By that logic only 48% of them equates to what......23%? | |
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| WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU - YOUR 1.4 MILLION MAJORITY VOTES DO NOT COUNT? on 11:20 - Sep 8 with 763 views | itoldyouso |
Dorset Ian you are being too kind we have just heard that people 'just wanted to leave' no reason given, no rationality, just an unreasonable dislike of johnny foreigner hence the spike and increased hate crime against ethnic minorities since linked directly to the leave campaign, sadly whilst some had their own reasons to leave...lexiteers, various democrats, working class people seeing little benefit from membership and looking for someone to blame there was a strong current of bigotry in the leave campaign and they know it. We heard 'we want parliamentary sovereignty back' well they got it and are now tantrumming when parliament acts so. If remainers are 'traitors' leavers are 'retreaters' shall we play that game eh?
"This is nonsense. David Cameron promised that the referendum result would be enacted whether it was advisory or not - there is the lie."
It was still advisory tory lie or no tory lie as you say "Whatever system is in place, that is the system" Referendum cannot usually bind a government.
You don't promise to the people that the result will be enacted and the not do it.
They didnt actually promise a no deal brexit though did they, as Boris said a few weeks ago it was a million to one chance that would happen......and we all know Boris never lies dont we. You can promise tuition fees to use your example are scrapped and not do it and come the next election you punish the liars if you so care enough
"Whether the leave campaign lied or not is besides the point. " Actually its a very serious point, fraud is serious, making false claims is extremely serious, not giving voters the information to make an informed choice is extremely serious, it undermines democracy
"Most leave voters just want to leave to EU, end of."
You know this how? Evidence? Blokes you talk to down the pub whom you hang around with in the first place cos they share your own prejudices?
There is a reason why certain sections of society still dont have the vote, they are deemed not being able to make an informed choice or not deserving of the right
You seem to think children and people of unfit mind should vote as lying is beside the point
" By your logic, we should have cancelled the coalition government as both manifestos were lies- tuition fees being the obvious example."No thats not my logic at all. Straw man> I'd love that to have happened though through parliamentary instruments though such as an early election
I certainly believe a fixed term parliament law should never have been passed, it gives a free pass to liars. Another self serving tory stich up...nothing to do with the EU btw
"Whatever system is in place, that is the system. Trump won in America and leave won here in the referendum. "
You said trump won through collecting the most votes.....this was false, I wasn't criticising their system, just pointing out your inaccuracies and double standards
If we start cancelling democratic votes that is very dangerous and / or you don't allow people to vote in the first place.
Johnson is not allowing our elected representatives to vote in parliament, that is indeed very dangerous, he has shut it down because he cant handle representative democracy he is a tin pot dictator hanging onto Trumps coat tails. He is scared of Corbyn. Corbyn as leader of the opposition now holds the record for defeating government bills not fit to pass. He has one more to his hat than the previous record holder for leader of the opposition - Margaret Thatcher...and he achieved it in 90 days less for the amount she achieved...hes a very effective leader of the opposition | |
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