| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 13:49 - Jan 1 with 2293 views | exiledclaseboy |
Yesterday you said this about the trust’s statement, which contains a clear and unequivocal “Jenkins must go” message:
“Stunning statement, so refreshing I can type the following words after a Trust action....
Excellent work, that is EXACTLY how to represent a fanbase.”
Have you changed your mind? | |
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 13:49 - Jan 1 with 2293 views | Jack_Kass |
I really don't know where Jenkins finds the time to scout all the players we want to sign. | |
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 13:51 - Jan 1 with 2268 views | Darran |
No idea which players I haven’t seen the list that’s been compiled. | |
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 13:51 - Jan 1 with 2265 views | jack247 |
I’m not really getting your last paragraph. Absolutely agree that it’s personal tittle tattle (although he has shown himself to be both incompetent and for want of a better word, a liar recently). If he isn’t really a factor though, does it damage us if he is hounded out? They are either going to sanction funds in January or they aren’t. I don’t see why they would particularly trust Jenkins to spend either, bearing in mind he has proved himself not very good at it and has essentially blamed them for poor decisions in his recent outburst.
Plus, if it were any other club under any other owners, I’d imagine they’d have a fairly robust list of transfer targets, an idea of how much they would cost and how realistic they are by now. | | | |
| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 13:54 - Jan 1 with 2236 views | E20Jack |
I did indeed, and stand by it, although the "Jenkins must go" was a tiny fraction of that statement was it not? Without going back to read it - did it not just consist of 2 lines at the end?
The statement stood up for itself and the fans for the first time in years and addressed issues with honest language. I am fully behind the view that Jenkins should go, I have never said otherwise. But it is a matter of timing in that issue, I certainly dont think he should go right this second.
It most certainly should not be anything like the pressing issue it is becoming and the fact it is taking over other matters that are of extreme importance is causing even more issues than Jenkins remaining. But people cannot see that, well not until it is too late as per usual no doubt. | |
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 13:55 - Jan 1 with 2232 views | Darran |
Of course he hasn’t changed his mind he hasn’t got one he’s just trolling. | |
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 13:55 - Jan 1 with 2227 views | Dewi1jack |
The players Carvalhal wants would be a good start, rather than the N'Gog/ Tabafatty type Beaky has been giving managers.
BTW.
You want people pulling in the same direction, so have you now paid your £10 for Trust membership now they've changed their stance?
Maybe convince us we're wrong through debate and showing us legal action against the sellers is wrong from the inside. | |
| If you wake up breathing, thats a good start to your day and you'll make many thousands of people envious. |
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 13:56 - Jan 1 with 2224 views | E20Jack |
List compiled by whom?
(To save time, instead of replying, reply in your head and read the post that was already written as the reply to it) | |
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 13:59 - Jan 1 with 2202 views | ATFV |
Personally I don’t think a man that makes up Board meeting minutes is fit to run a £100m+ turnover company. How about you? | | | |
| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 14:00 - Jan 1 with 2201 views | donkonky |
“Plus, if it were any other club under any other owners, I’d imagine they’d have a fairly robust list of transfer targets, an idea of how much they would cost and how realistic they are by now.”
Exactly. If Jenkins was to step down are we really saying that there is nobody capable of filling that role? I’d like to think for this window at least Carlos should be calling the shots. If we’re going to get out of the bottom 3 it’s going to be his tactics, his formations and his decisions that will decide our fate. Let him get on with job he’s being payed to do. | | | |
| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 14:00 - Jan 1 with 2198 views | E20Jack |
Yes it absolutely damages us. There is a deal about to be signed which waives the Trusts right to go legal on the takeover (that includes the likes of Jenkins fake meeting et al), gives the Trust a paltry sum that will probably have to be given away to some charity and if relegated then thr Trust can be dragged out of the club for a pittance.
So while the focus has gone off this grtting signed to oust someone who is leaving anyway - I woukd say that damages us to the core. Wouldn't you? | |
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 14:00 - Jan 1 with 2193 views | Darran |
Why would I need to answer in my head when you asked me that and I politely answered half hour ago?
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 14:03 - Jan 1 with 2158 views | E20Jack |
You are missing the point again. You are currently a step behind with Darran.
You are again soeaking from a position of power. You do not make the decisions. You sound like you are making a case for his dismissal and weighing uo who YOU feel could step in and do a job. The discussion should be who the AMERICANS feel can step in and do the job.
YOU would like to think Carlos would call the shots. THE AMERICANS have a history of leaning on people they trust, so would imagine someone they hadnt heard of a week ago is pretty low down that list.
Too many people thinking through the wrong eyes it is frightening. | |
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 14:03 - Jan 1 with 2159 views | ATFV |
I’m sure if Pearlman was trusted to negotiate the Liberty lease deal with the Council he’d be trusted to bargain and barter with Andy Yiadom’s agent. | | | |
| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 14:05 - Jan 1 with 2146 views | E20Jack |
Because I replied in very good detail.
You seemed to ignore it and went back to discussion step one, hence why I asked you to reply in your head and read my reply to that as it woukd save us all some time. | |
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 14:06 - Jan 1 with 2137 views | Darran |
Exactly. Bye Huw. 👋🻠| |
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 14:10 - Jan 1 with 2109 views | E20Jack |
I dont think the Americans are fit to run a sports team, I dont think Rangel should be considered a member of the matchday squad, I dont think Routledge is fit to be a Premier League player, I also dont think Jenkins ahould be kept on.
But I also understand that there are far more oressing matters than the above, and to take the focus off these mayyers to deal with anything that is largely futile in comparison is just as damaging as anything he has ever done.
The fambase is standing by while we sign over the club lock stock and barrel for a few crumbs ensuring we can never have a say in its future again - and we are throwing that away for what exactly? To try and get someone out who will be gone soon anyway?
Makes sense. | |
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 14:12 - Jan 1 with 2085 views | E20Jack |
Again through the wrong eyes. They clearly trust Huw too.
You are speaking from a position of power, you have none. Which is ironic considering you are ignoring the fight to regain power in order for this futile spat. | |
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 14:12 - Jan 1 with 2077 views | jack247 |
I don’t disagree there at all. Completely with you that stopping the share sale is more important.
Where we do disagree, is you see it as a one or the other scenario. We have some fairly clued up new members of the trust board who have made their feelings on it known. I’m sure they aren’t going to lose focus on that, whether Jenkins is here or not.
It is quite easy for supporters groups to discredit Jenkins. It’s a much harder sell to convince people that the previous trust board ignored QC advice and essentially hoodwinked it’s members into voting for a sale, particularly when 2 of the, were on the board at the time (whether they were in favour or not). | | | |
| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 14:15 - Jan 1 with 2063 views | donkonky |
If the Americans don’t trust Carlos then why sanction his employment as manager, a pretty vital role in things don’t you agree? And yes as I mere fan I have no say in anything, only an opinion. Obviously not as clued up as you seem to be as I’m a step behind you. Listen I’d prefer football men calling the shots on transfer decisions or at least having a say. How do you have so much faith in HJ being the only possible person capable of being involved in the transfer selection process? Why is he so vital? | | | |
| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 14:17 - Jan 1 with 2042 views | E20Jack |
It is one or the other, or certainly at the very least one will affect the other, no question.
Although an excellent Trust release - do you believe their focus was taken off this share sale to deal with this? Do you think peoples minds have been taken off the share sale as this Jenkins stuff comes into the fore?
I think it is as certain as you can get that it has without question. | |
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 14:19 - Jan 1 with 2021 views | exiledclaseboy |
I’ve no idea whether you’ll believe me or not but I can absolutely guarantee that no one on the Trust board has taken their focus away from the proposed share sale. It’s very much at the forefront of everyone’s thinking. | |
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 14:20 - Jan 1 with 2018 views | E20Jack |
They think he was better than Clement and teust him to manage the team I would have thought.
American sports teams and teams in general these days do not have the manager as someone to bring in players. It is a committee of people, even the likes of Liverpool operate in this way. So whether they teust him as manager and hether they trust him with tens of millions of clubs money are two majory differing questions.
Again, you are asking the wrong person the wrong questions. It is not a case of me having faith in him. It is the case of the Americans having faith in him. I just happen to realise we need to make signings and know that I am not in a positiom of power to decide who makes them once Huw Jenkins goes, so the fact you think others can do it is irrelevant as you dont decide.
From experience it would seem the Americans would go with somoene like a Pearlman, Donovan or nobody at all. So if the choice as it stands in the situation we are in - Jenkins signing, no signings or Donavan signings then the answer is an easy one. [Post edited 1 Jan 2018 14:23]
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| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 14:21 - Jan 1 with 2010 views | ATFV |
You go to great lengths to tell everyone how special you are...and yet you can’t multi-task?
In no way has the effort to have a new vote on the share deal been stopped. Indeed people have done a helluva more towards that than you have. And indeed it could be argued that the pressure applied to Jenkins led to his press meltdown which led to the Trust statement that will no doubt spell the end for that share purchase anyway.
I’m surprised a “master tactician” like you can’t see that. | | | |
| Former Swans Shareholder Rob Davies Says Club Is Heading For Oblivion on 14:22 - Jan 1 with 2293 views | jack247 |
The trust release was a direct response to Huw Jenkins’ comments. They were pretty much backed into a corner and thankfully came out fighting.
Certainly public attention has shifted to Jenkins. The share sale wasn’t a particularly sexy topic for the causal fan. You’d have to ask ECB, Lisa etc if they’ve suddenly forgotten about it. | | | |
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