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Good for him. We'll see if his gear remains the highest selling for a whole year in the way that Kaepernick's did.
For what it's worth, I hope he hasn't been pressured into a pseudo excuse/apology for being out there on his own. The freedom to make that choice is exactly what Trump is trying to deny the players and the other side shouldn't start employing Trump's tactics. It's beneath them.
I disagree with his going out there, but he absolutely has the right to do it and shouldn't be pressured or shamed about his choice in any way. Of course, there's no evidence he has been.
You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help.
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This kneeling down protest on 00:39 - Sep 26 with 2839 views
Of course not, and unless Villanueva was wearing a wire when it very clearly happened, there won't be. But it's pretty damned obvious what happened.
Yeah, I support Hill's free speech. I'd just like to see balance and consistency. Because I also support the free speech of Curt Shilling, the ESPN announcer who actually WAS fired from the network for his conservative beliefs.
Hill was not fired because this was the first time she violated ESPN's rules on discussing politics. Schilling was fired because he had repeatedly been warned to stop and did not.
What difference does it make what his beliefs are? I think he's an idiot and simpleton, and I don't agree with him about much. Obviously, I don't agree with Hill about much, either. But neither deserve to get sacked for expressing their opinions about American politics. Their employer doing that, or being encouraged to do that, is not necessarily in violation of the 1st Amendment or otherwise illegal, it's just morally wrong. And dangerous.
You see, I stick up for the free speech rights of people I don't agree with, even people I can't stand. That's the part of the equation most of the sanctimonious jackasses who jumped on the Free Speech bandwagon this weekend completely ignore. When Shilling was fired, the Left didn't mention free speech once. Instead they applauded ESPN and defended the firing (like Humpty, above), because Shilling isn't with them.
But if Hill keeps expressing herself and ESPN ever fires her (which they won't, because they're not stupid), there would be an indescribable backlash. Not because her supporters really give a crap about free speech, but because they agree with her.
The issue of free speech is whether or not the government should come after you for expressing your opinion. In both cases the government hasn't. Though in one case the President has. The President you voted for.
Private companies do have the right to insist on a certain conduct from their employees. It seems like ESPN doesn't like their employees talking about politics as their public faces pissing off different parts of their viewers is not good for the business. I can understand that. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
It also seems likes ESPN gave multiple warnings to Mr Schilling which he chose to ignore. Miss Hill is now on her first warning. So right wing snowflakes moaning about how unfair it all is are comparing things which are completely different.
Like the article says. Apples and oranges.
There's also a hell of a difference between what both people said. Hill said Trump was a white supremacist. She criticized him because of his beliefs. Mr Schilling criticized muslims and LBGT people. No suprise a right wing Trump voter can't see the difference.
I'll agree with you on one thing. He is an idiot and simpleton. He want's journalists to be lynched. I can see why ESPN didn't want to employ him anymore.
Anway Mike. Back to the original point. As such a lover of free speech why did you vote for a man who tries to get people who criticize him on Twitter sacked?
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This kneeling down protest on 05:15 - Sep 26 with 2753 views
Kids swearing allegiance to the country everyday in front of a flag. Fetishization of the military. Anthem sung before sports games and woe betide anyone who doesn't agree.
Obviously it's up to Americans how the organize their affairs, but I'm glad we are not like that. It seems odd in a democracy. It has a certain whiff about it.
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This kneeling down protest on 05:36 - Sep 26 with 2744 views
To answer your last sentence: because Hillary was the alternative.
As much as I disagree with Trump about a number of things, in the end it wasn't a hard choice, and I don't regret it. Hopefully, the Democrats and Republicans can offer at least one better choice in 2020.
To answer the earlier part of the post, I disagree that private companies should have the right to do that, and I hope that Shilling successfully sues the hell out of them, even though he's an ass. Americans, no matter how extreme and misguided their beliefs are, should be allowed to express themselves without their livelihood being placed at risk. If ESPN doesn't like their employees talking about politics, that's too damned bad. ESPN doesn't own their brains and souls when they are off the clock. If you let big companies do that, you are setting a very dangerous precedent.
If people complain that they won't watch the network anymore because of the personal beliefs of some individual who works for them, that network should reply "sorry, but we don't tell them what to think. And we can't fire someone for their private beliefs that have nothing to do with sports." As long as they are consistent and apply that policy to BOTH sides, they should be fine in the eyes of any reasonable, fair person.
That is how free speech works, my friend. It's a lot more than just the 1st Amendment. It's a lot more than just the government.
So people said things to this chap that came out for the anthem? is it a the level of the people condemning those on one bended knee? Is there major political figures like POTUS condemning him? *bah* people have the right to protest, in the US and speak their minds. People can have problems with how people stand up and have themselves counted. but to claim someone is not a 'true american'. That they aren't patriotic because they stand up in defiance of a 'land of the free'? Not really quite sure how standing up for civil LIBERTY is unamerican.
I've lived in america long enough to know that most people love this country with every fibre of their being. sometimes people agree with the way its ran, sometimes they are against the way the country is governened. sometimes people feel sick seeing the atrocities commited by their county. and sometimes people glow with pride from the things their country does.
But in support of government, or speaking with the knowledge WE CAN BE BETTER, does not make someone unpatriotic. and unamerican. The unamericans are those who point fingers at expatriots and immigrants and "lefites" as being unamerican for the simple reason of not agreeing with them.
"Their employer doing that, or being encouraged to do that, is not necessarily in violation of the 1st Amendment or otherwise illegal, it's just morally wrong. And dangerous."
Trump is the very person who encouraged ESPN to fire Hill, so that's exactly what I said. Nothing hypocritical or dishonest here, pal.
What was it that made Hillary Clinton such a terrible candidate that you were forced to vote for a ridiculous racist manchild with a long history of ripping people off? A man who has made your country an absolute f*cking laughing stock in every country other than Russia?
Was it Benghazi? Emails? The Whitewater land deal? The murder of Vince Foster that she organized? The murder of Seth Rich she ordered? The Pizzagate thing, where she was running a child sex business from a pizza restaurant?
What bit of Republican/Fox news/Donald Trump invented bullshit made you think Donald f*cking Trump would be a better person to represent your country than Hillary Clinton?
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This kneeling down protest on 06:22 - Sep 26 with 2704 views
Fair enough Mike. Pity you didn't mention him when you were excoriating "the left" and "progressives" earlier. Despite there being no evidence that your patriotic footballer has been bullied or threatened by the left or progressives. And lots of evidence of the President you voted for doing so. It's on the f*cking telly.
That's where the hypocrite bit comes in.
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This kneeling down protest on 06:41 - Sep 26 with 2696 views
This really belongs in a separate thread about this specific subject, so I'll make my answer brief and kindly request that we don't devolve into a long thread highjack.
It was really the extensive corruption of the Clinton Foundation and other dealings that made them filthy rich as "public servants," more than any of that other stuff.
That, and 8 years of a Clinton White House was already more than enough for me. Truly trashy, sleazy, dishonest people, those folks.
This all has a resonance with the athlete protests at the 1968 Olympics. In what was arguably a more febrile atmosphere, the Tommie Smith and John Carlos protest was 'answered' by none other than Heavyweight gold medalist George Foreman, who carried a tiny American flag onto the podium. Whilst Smith and Carlos were rightly praised for their courage, and were punished severely, Foreman emerged as a hero to white America. One thing is obvious, the battle for civil rights in the USA didn't end in 1968, so to return to the original thread, their peaceful and respectful protest over perceived injustice is most definitely relevant today.
"Yossarian- the very sight of the name made him shudder.There were so many esses in it. It just had to be subversive" (Catch 22)
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This kneeling down protest on 09:54 - Sep 26 with 2629 views
"What bit of Republican/Fox news/Donald Trump invented bullshit made you think Donald f*cking Trump would be a better person to represent your country than Hillary Clinton? "
"Your news is lying to you...but mines not lying to me". F*cking LOL.
Let me explain something to you, Hump. All corporate news channels are lying to us. Fox, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, RT, etc etc.... They are no longer in the business of presenting the truth. They are now click bait (if they can present the truth and maximise profits, result. If not, profit comes first). Fox panders to the right wing, CNN panders to the left wing. If you don't believe me, then let CNN producer, John Bonfield explain it to you. Here he is talking about the Trump/Russia story.
Edit -The illuminati are stopping the video being played. Anyone interested can find it on YouTube under the title:- American Pravda: CNN Producer says Russia Narrative "bullsh*t" 2nd Edit - I've added a shorter one including Van Jones (CNN presenter) agreeing
If you didn't take the time to watch it, then amongst other things he said:
>We have no proof of the Russia story but we run with it because it does the best business for us.
>The president (Trump) is right to say "You are witch hunting me. You have no proof"
>If we had treated President Obama the way we treat Trump, our liberal viewers would have been put off...they would have thought we were unnecessarily attacking him.
Open your eyes, Hump, all corporate news is run this way - Profit Trumps Truth (excuse the pun). So before you ask Tums "What was it that made you believe what you believe?" from your ivory tower. Why don't you sit down and ask yourself what made YOU believe what you believe?. Although, if you find the answer, I fear all the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't put Humpty together again.
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Good luck, Mr Cooper
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This kneeling down protest on 12:03 - Sep 26 with 2581 views
The only point I've made on the subject is you can't claim to 'get it' just because you've watched JTAK. Nothing to do with nationality. I've said previously as an example, that Dav does 'get it' - the fact he's an American is neither here nor there.
As for the rest, the person who most champions free speech when it suits and threatens when it doesn't is Trump. And from the outside, there is nothing that could possibly disrespect your flag, anthem and nation more than having that idiot as your head of State. The peaceful and rather moving protests that have happened in the past few days bring nothing but admiration. I assume from your post that you don't believe the people involved to be patriots, but that suggests an incredibly narrow definition of what it means to be patriotic in my opinion.
It's also interesting that you describe the movement as being 'the Left'. Surely it's a movement for justice that straddles political divides?
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This kneeling down protest on 12:07 - Sep 26 with 2576 views
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