| Latimer Road 02:31 - Jun 14 with 100658 views | stowmarketrange |
A big fire in a tower block in Latimer Road just been reported on 5live.Eyewitness says there are people trapped on the upper floors.
I hope everyone gets out safely. | | | |  |
| Latimer Road on 12:52 - Jun 17 with 2964 views | FDC |
Ninny, what a blinding word. Definitely getting that out at some point today | | | |
| Latimer Road on 13:03 - Jun 17 with 2936 views | 1BobbyHazell |
Fantastic speech from Benn. | | | |
| Latimer Road on 13:13 - Jun 17 with 2907 views | Juzzie |
This is much, much deeper and more complex than merely "this wouldnt have happened if xxxxx was in power". This goes right down to local council level far more than central government.
Of course there's accountability at council level because this is there area but getting really tired of the opportunities for party bashing that is turning up on every fking thread.
Subject: "It's summer and I like ice cream" - quite an innocent topic but would be followed by pages of threads about how Tories have reduced the number of ice creams vans on the street and retorts of a Labour government would have driven up prices.
Blah blag boring fking blah. | | | |
| Latimer Road on 13:24 - Jun 17 with 2878 views | FDC |
I don't think 1 and 2 are contradictory really. From what we know it would appear that putting profits before people (capitalsim) has played a role in the scale of this tragedy, within the context of the marketisation of public housing (neoliberalism).
Re Corbyn euphoria, it's a point well made - Labour has historically been the party that manages capitalism so as to curtail it's most dangerous excesses, serving to save it from itself. However, I don't think the ultra-leftist position (which I'm not saying you hold btw) of conceiving of this as a reform v revolution binary is useful. Parliamentary politics and extra-parliamentary politics exist within a symbiotic relationship. I've a lot to say on this actually, but it's probably for another forum. | | | |
| Latimer Road on 13:49 - Jun 17 with 2837 views | kensalriser |
Here's a list of policies. What party would you associate them with?
Scrapping or reducing regulations
Cost-cutting
Privatising services
Cutting services
Contracting out
Housing policies geared towards reducing social housing and encouraging private sector | |
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| Latimer Road on 14:12 - Jun 17 with 2786 views | Northolt_Rs |
Amen - it's a remarkable speech from an eighty-odd year old guy. Thatcher really was the nemesis of the working class. 'Two flames: Anger and Hope'. Tremendous stuff. | |
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| Latimer Road on 14:21 - Jun 17 with 2753 views | Juzzie |
That's not my point.
My point is that it's the same people every time,
Thread after thread saying the same thing over and over in the hope someone will change their mind when it's obvious people on opposite opinions are never going to agree. | | | |
| Latimer Road on 14:23 - Jun 17 with 2747 views | QPR_John |
I knew nothing about this cladding. Why should I it has never been mentioned before. The Tories were in power when the tower was refurbished but where was the opposition. They had many opportunities to raise the problem but seemingly did not. Whatever the Tories have or have not done there's was an opposition who could have made the dangers public. It seems the problem of the cladding was raised on many occasions and surely other parties apart from the Tories were aware of it. Just wonder why nobody with a public platform thought to raise questions before the horrors of that inferno. | | | |
| Latimer Road on 14:39 - Jun 17 with 2727 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
I would say one reason but not the only one would be the Blairite PLP members that have been detached from real life, that are seen as no better than the tories who have done nothing.
However Labour laid two bits of legislation to make homes safer in two years. The Tories blocked both. [Post edited 17 Jun 2017 14:47]
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| Latimer Road on 15:30 - Jun 17 with 2627 views | TacticalR |
Although it's true that political discussion of itself is unlikely to change anyone's opinion (particularly as nobody can see beyond their own experience), I still think they are worth having, as long as they are productive to some degree. Hopefully they allow people to make sense of their own experience and, if experience changes, come to a new understanding. They can also teach you something even when you don't agree. For example, on the Thatcherism thread a few years ago I learnt that a lot more people than I expected thought that Thatcher's harsh medicine had been successful.
There's also a big difference between having a discussion with someone who defends the status quo (which is probably just going through the motions), and having a discussion with someone who has a competing vision of how to change the status quo (which is likely to be more productive). And are we going to let the all the anti-Muslim stuff go unchallenged?
Finally, as we have seen in the last day, without any real hope for the future or change in political understanding people's frustration will just explode in blind outbursts of anger. | |
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| Latimer Road on 15:31 - Jun 17 with 2624 views | QPR_John |
I did not know that why should I as I do not live and breathe politics. That is my point with Corbyn as leader for the last two years surely somebody on the opposition benches could have raised the question. PMQs are televised. If people knew about it, even if not the power to change things, and did not question it they cannot escape some responsibility. Responsibility is not black or white or even right or left. | | | |
| Latimer Road on 15:54 - Jun 17 with 2579 views | Boston |
There will always be poor people or certainly people catagorized as poor in relation to the rest of the society they live in. The measure of poverty is the poverty line, this fluctuates in step with the economic average of the country. | |
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| Latimer Road on 15:58 - Jun 17 with 2564 views | Boston |
I've always rued the day 'bounder' dropped out of the lexicon. | |
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| Latimer Road on 16:01 - Jun 17 with 2558 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
When you say question do you mean about cladding
This has been asked about by Harriet Harman after Lakanal House
I'm sorry but you need to do a bit more research on this yourself before asking questions on what is already out there if you care to look.
Responsibility, would you not say that K&C and their leaders are all responsible if they are the ones in control of this council.
Do you think they should be removed from power in that council. [Post edited 17 Jun 2017 16:36]
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| Latimer Road on 16:04 - Jun 17 with 2548 views | Boston |
Politicians do not no about it. They are generally ignorant. | |
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| Latimer Road on 16:06 - Jun 17 with 2536 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
See my post above, it was known about | |
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| Latimer Road on 16:24 - Jun 17 with 2494 views | 1BobbyHazell |
I get what you mean and that may be true of the participants who post mainly "all Tories are...", or "all lefties are...", or get busy telling us who they hate and why or just parroting the latest received wisdom. But there are plenty of posters who provide interesting viewpoints and information. There can be a lot of agreement and coming together, just look at me and SteveC, we're besties now and he thinks anyone to the left of Norman Tebbit is a f*cking commie! | | | |
| Latimer Road on 16:55 - Jun 17 with 2432 views | TheBlob |
The smouldering bodies(what's left of them)are still unrecovered and you're all playing political ping pong?
Give it a f*cking rest. | |
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| Latimer Road on 16:59 - Jun 17 with 2425 views | Northolt_Rs |
Luckily the Buckingham Palace refurb has been ok'd by May's government at a cost of £369m. Meanwhile the Houses of Parliament refurb is estimated to cost between 4 to 6 BILLION POUNDS.... You couldn't make it up. | |
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| Latimer Road on 17:10 - Jun 17 with 2396 views | QPR_John |
But again that is the point. I think it is fair to say most people do not have a data base of political quotes and articles. That cladding was dangerous and politicians have a duty to make facts such as that public. Of course those in charge are responsible and if you really want a league table more so as they are in charge. But these things did not happen in a vacuum and many must have known about it but chose to stay silent at least to the extent they did not publicise their concerns. Just googled Harriett Harman Lakanal House and no mention of flammable cladding | | | |
| Latimer Road on 17:15 - Jun 17 with 2385 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
I don't know which article you have read but the cladding was the reason for fire climbing and spreading on that building .
You question if the opposition had questioned the government, they had. and as I said before they blocked changes. [Post edited 17 Jun 2017 17:24]
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| Latimer Road on 17:24 - Jun 17 with 2365 views | GroveR |
I remember going in there as a 12yr old asking for something or another. The guy behind the counter says 'no no no yoot, start at prince far I and work your way up' - best advice ever. | | | |
| Latimer Road on 17:26 - Jun 17 with 2356 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
see my edit | |
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| Latimer Road on 17:34 - Jun 17 with 2321 views | QPR_John |
Don't want to labour the point but making the government aware is different from going public. Surely the election campaign was a heaven sent opportunity to make people aware of the problems. | | | |
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