| Parking at Morrisons Neath 16:29 - Feb 20 with 36594 views | owainglyndwr |
Parking Eye Ltd are trying to fine us.
But before Christmas when parking at Morrisons all the payment machines had notes saying that they are not working.
But at the start of the new year we had the first letter with a fine.
Which I have ignored and will not pay.
We parked for 3hrs .14 mins after shopping in Neath but also doing our Morrisons shop and having a meal there.
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 17:22 - Feb 21 with 1779 views | controversial_jack |
That's correct. They aren't suing you for breach of contract, if they were and got things even slightly wrong, they could be counter sued and that would be bad business for them.
Even councils don't sue, because they invariably get their wording wrong | | | |
| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 17:39 - Feb 21 with 1755 views | Highjack |
Rubbish. When you buy a pint you agree to exchange a pint for a certain sum of money. The contract is complete at the point of handing over the money and receiving the drink. You then get a receipt with the details on it I.e written proof of the exchange. If you then act irresponsibly they can chuck you out, sue for any damages caused or call the police in the event of a criminal act. They can't however sue you for breach of contract. That would be farcical and theyd be laughed out of court. | |
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 18:45 - Feb 21 with 1709 views | sherpajacob |
You seem to be confusing several different issues. Including the law of torts with contract law.
Donoghue v Stevenson 1932 , covers many of the points.
I'm interested in your opinion of formation of contract, when exactly does an invitation to treat, become offer and acceptance and therefore form a contract. I believe Fisher v bell 1961 is regarded as definitive on this.
A,receipt for payment, is exactly that, a receipt for monies paid,. I.e. the contract has already been formed and acceptance is deemed to have taken place at the time of payment. The receipt is after payment so cannot be deemed to be any part of the terms of the contract.
From the OP it appears that Morrison's in Neath is pay and display, do you think this impacts on whether the decision in Parking eye v Beavis is binding. Personally I think Parking eye v Cargius is the relevant case law.
Parking eye tend to rely on Beavis in court ( they take a lot of cases to court) as it is a,supreme court judgement, however the Cambridge case PE v Beavis and wardley is clear on the issue of signage and the fundamental difference between free car parks with a time limit where gpeol doesn't apply and pay car parks where gpeol does apply.
Just my opinion, everyone is entitled to their own.
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 19:03 - Feb 21 with 1691 views | Loyal |
Take the risk, and fck it. | |
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 19:12 - Feb 21 with 1677 views | exiledclaseboy |
Apart from the first six words which are factually correct, the rest is abject nonsense. [Post edited 21 Feb 2017 19:16]
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 19:15 - Feb 21 with 2161 views | exiledclaseboy |
It has been argued and summarily dismissed as being wrong. | |
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 19:19 - Feb 21 with 2160 views | owainglyndwr |
One other thing is if it is a official signage it is not bilingual.
But to be honest you don't stop to read a contract to park, we tried to pay at machinesome but they had notices saying that they are out of order. | | | |
| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 19:23 - Feb 21 with 2160 views | exiledclaseboy |
Whenever you read a Controversial Jack pronouncement on anything legal read it in the context of the information in the link below.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land
This is the philosophy he follows. It's harmless enough in the main if a bit dotty and almost entirely incorrect but in the wrong hands when these people start dishing out "advice" it can become quite dangerous. It tends to appeal to the vulnerable and simple minded who try to use it to get out of paying debts and sometimes they even try it to get out of criminal charges. It invariably, absolutely without exception, fails miserably but they are the most convinced people you'll ever come across. | |
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 19:56 - Feb 21 with 2121 views | sherpajacob |
I believe the bilingual thing only applies to public/ council stuff, not private car parks.
The machines being out of order is your key.
Go to Morrison's, tell them you tried to pay, show them your receipt, give them a story about Xmas, long queues at checkout, long wait in restaurant, took ages to find a parking space and 45 minutes to exit car park because it was chokka.
Get them to email parking eye to cancel and copy you into email.
Job done. | |
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 19:59 - Feb 21 with 2114 views | Jackfath |
Tell them you had the runs and were in the toilets for a good 15 mins. | |
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 20:02 - Feb 21 with 2103 views | sherpajacob |
A,sick child or elderly relative are always useful. | |
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 20:03 - Feb 21 with 2097 views | sherpajacob |
15 minutes, that's less time than normal, how are you supposed to read the racing post in 15 minutes | |
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 20:04 - Feb 21 with 2096 views | Jackfath |
Not to mention the fact that the self serve tills NEVER work and the assistant ALWAYS has to come and rescue the situation. | |
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 20:30 - Feb 21 with 2060 views | Highjack |
Yes it usually is when millions of pounds are involved. | |
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 20:33 - Feb 21 with 2053 views | exiledclaseboy |
I've been through this with you before.
The DVLA does not become the owner of your car when you register it. You do not hand over deed and title to your car to the DVLA when you register it. The term "registered keeper" was used deliberately instead of "owner" when the law was framed partly to avoid the government becoming involved in disputes over ownership. The government is not concerned with who is the legal owner of a car, only who is responsible for its use on the road and for taxing it. In most cases that's the owner who is also the registered keeper, in many cases the owner and registered keeper are different. The government does not own your car, the government has no interest in owning your car. Why you think it would is beyond me. | |
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 20:33 - Feb 21 with 2052 views | Highjack |
If you're that worried just stump up the cash. At least you can be certain they'll go away then. They'll have your money for a quick bit of blackmail so they'll be happy and you'll have your peace of mind. Everyone's a winner. | |
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 20:35 - Feb 21 with 2047 views | controversial_jack |
I think he's confused between right and wrong. | | | |
| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 20:35 - Feb 21 with 2045 views | exiledclaseboy |
Also wrong. The charge for releasing the information covers costs only. [Post edited 21 Feb 2017 20:36]
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 20:42 - Feb 21 with 2039 views | controversial_jack |
They become the legal owners of the vehicle, that's why they can sell your details, without your permission The police, can seize your car under certain circumstances, which if it is private property they wouldn't be able to do , But you own the equity in the car. | | | |
| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 20:44 - Feb 21 with 2025 views | exiledclaseboy |
No they don't. They really, really, really don't. | |
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 20:47 - Feb 21 with 2017 views | controversial_jack |
£2.7 million profit in 2011, goodness knows how much they make today. Covering costs ; snigger! | | | |
| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 20:51 - Feb 21 with 2011 views | exiledclaseboy |
Not profit. | |
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 21:22 - Feb 21 with 1964 views | perchrockjack |
I thought I could be obtuse Andrew but controversial is different gravy.
You re a patient man
Is he a Welsh speaker | |
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| Parking at Morrisons Neath on 21:28 - Feb 21 with 1954 views | londonlisa2001 |
That's interesting.
So while I had said that 'reasonable costs' would be administration etc. they have ruled that it is reasonable to impose a high penalty charge as it's part of why they run the business. Thus 'financial loss' has been read quite widely and taken in a broader commercial context than the courts would normally do (or at least, used to do). No wonder it ended up at the Supreme Court. Huge implications going forward for such punitive charges. | | | |
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