| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history 11:52 - Sep 12 with 23639 views | mingthemerciless |
Well that's a turn up for the book. No more austerity lite from the Labour Party hopefully. | | | |  |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 10:45 - Sep 13 with 2534 views | mingthemerciless |
He needs to be careful. He's made enough enemies in the local Labour Party as it is. He might find he's the one " On a temporary contract. "
I'm getting ready for a Cyril Smith style swerve. | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 10:53 - Sep 13 with 2526 views | tazzydjr |
This is another victory for the Tories, Corby getting that Labour Party seat a 500-1 to favorite wins the election looks like 10 more years of Tory government unless the Lib Dems raise from the ashes and become majority party | |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 10:57 - Sep 13 with 2522 views | ColDale |
Welcome to the comfort of opposition. A nice, safe, warm place which allows you to be as principled as you like and be as grass roots as you like, safe in the knowledge that you'll never have to govern a country. The Lib Dems lived there for years, and they didn't do anyone any harm.
I personally think its the biggest disaster to have happened to the Labour Party and British Politics in years, and I dread to think how long we will have to live with the consequences. It's dragging the Party back to the 70's / 80's that in itself created Thatcherism. I don't doubt Corbyn is a lovely fellow and I would probably agree with a great deal of what he believes in, but the Party is now led by a man who didn't want the job and who's views are completely out of place with 80% of his sitting MP's.
The whole thing seems to have been a campaign (by both the right and left wings of politics) to move Labour away from Blairism as much as they possibly could.Let's return the party to its origins and making them completely unelectable. For me, this is just a Labour equivalent of when the Tories made Michael Howard their leader to offer an alternative to Blair and more akin with traditional Conservative views.
I fear we'll feel the impact of this for years and years. It will be at the heart of every bit of Tory scaremongering in every election campaign "that hardline left is always lurking in the background" irrespective of whether there's any truth in it. Is it any surprise that yesterday's result was greeted with as many cheers in the Tory homelands? Even the odds on George Osbourne being the next Prime Minister when from 9-4 to 6-4 over the weekend.
There's no point changing the Labour Party if you never get a chance to change the country. That was the whole point of Blair + Campbell to me. It has to appeal to enough voters to get in, because if you can't get in what is the point?
Anyway, I didn't pay my £3, so didn't vote, ,so I should just shut up and accept it :-) | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 11:07 - Sep 13 with 2496 views | D_Alien |
I presume you're referring to me?
Born - in the back bedroom of a council house - and bred here. Semi-retired now, but for most of my career have worked in the NHS locally, including at "the coal face". Currently working with the new Dale Co-op venture to help re-generate our town centre. I love Rochdale, and it's precisely because I care about the town and the people who live here that the idea of more socialism gives me the creeps. Rochdale grew up on the back of the burgeoning cotton industry, and it's future lies in engaging with the world as it is today - not as some people imagine to be a utopian place - but one where the harsh realities - yes, realities mate - mean that we have to compete to survive.
Yes, lets be compassionate towards those who need our help, but the ONLY means of helping them is through generating enough wealth to enable compassion to mean summat more than just wishful thinking.
This is the type of thing we should be moving towards:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34175290
Now tell me, what's your contribution towards the realities of present-day Rochdale?
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 11:31 - Sep 13 with 2460 views | BigDaveMyCock |
There's one big problem with all that Col and it's that which you proclaim is capable of enthusing the overall electorate to win a general election can't muster enough votes between the three of them to defeat a 66 year old permanent opposition politician in their own back yard. Just as you say that Corbyn is stuck in the 1980s, New Labour is stuck in the 1990s. Overall Corbyn is seen as pie in the sky. New Labour, however, is seen as downright dishonest and because of that has just as much, if not less, of chance as delivering electoral succes than Corbyn.
The right of the Labour Party are currently fooked. Wheeling out Blair/Campbell just ain't doing it with nearly enough people than they need both internally as a party and nationally and they can't seem to come up with any sort of credible alternative other than more of the same.
The overtly managed and controlling ethos of the Blair years created nothing more than a mass of indistinguishable drones who all sound the same and seem incapable of creating something remotely appealing without Blair/Campbell. | |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 11:57 - Sep 13 with 2434 views | ColDale |
There's no doubting Labour shot themselves in the foot. The centre ground was there's to keep, and its unthinkable that they allowed Cameron to steal it off them using pretty much the same rule book that got them into power back in 1997.
Had it been David selected and not Ed, I think they would have stood a chance. But that electability is viewed almost as an evil these days and maybe winning three elections on the trot saw things taken for granted, with conservatism seen as something of the past.
Can't argue with your line about the drones. That controlling element perhaps did smother any culture of personality, tho I do wonder whether it is the fault of the candidates or the media that during the leadership contest, I've heard little of Burnham, and nothing at all from the other two. | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 12:02 - Sep 13 with 2425 views | zxcvbnm |
My suspicion with this is that the SNP are more left wing than the Labour party was and they swept Scotland aside. This is why Labour has taken a massive lurch to the left, problem is it might enable them to regain some seats in Scotland but I can’t see it working in England.
The other 3 candidates though didn’t exactly inspire confidence, the charisma of a wet lettuce | |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 12:35 - Sep 13 with 2405 views | mingthemerciless |
Me , I've worked in the Engineering Industry in Rochdale nearly all my life. I'm 66 now but I'm still doing a bit. I know all about getting my hands dirty, do you ?
Your previous statement about people today never having had it so good made my head spin.
Have you walked down Yorkshire street recently ? If you mean we've never had this many pound shops, charity shops, bookies and pawnbrokers you're definitely right.
Regarding the mythical centre ground that the left is being accused of moving away from. I've got news for you, the Tories moved it over to the right years ago and are still moving it further to the right as we speak. The recent Labour governments made no attempt to return to a true centre ground, they just slavishly aped Tory thinking most of the time. Then they wonder why the electorate deserted them
People are fed up the way this country is being run for the benefit of the City spivs and their pals.
I read today that before Thatcher and Blair came to power 2% of the workforce worked in " finance " , now it's 8%. The Tories got in this time not because they were liked or respected but because the electorate liked what they saw in the Labour Party less ! | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:03 - Sep 13 with 2340 views | tony_roch975 |
Danczuk says "Not a single person (I spoke to) believed they would support Labour if he was the leader." He didn't speak to me - Corbyn's election is the only reason I would vote Labour. What a team player Danczuk is... plotting coups before the ink's dry on Corbyn's landslide result! Why doesn't he have the courage of his convictions and resign from Labour with whose Membership/beliefs he is so clearly out of touch & join UKiP or whichever party more closely represents his views. He can form a new 'Gang of Four' with Tristram Hunt, Rachel Reeves, Chris Leslie & Liz Kendall and be equally irrelevant. | |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:17 - Sep 13 with 2326 views | 1mark1 |
Absolutely agree.
He does NOT get around to see a lot of people on the "doorstep". As someone involved for about 30 years, with canvassing, and actually knowing the the numbers he has working with him, I can tell you it's minimal the number of people spoken too. In the last election, in this town, it was UKIP who managed to get around the most of the electorate, but even they only managed about 20 % of the electorate.
http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/danczuk-gravy-train-exposed.html | |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:30 - Sep 13 with 2313 views | isitme |
I have never had any person, from any political party knock on my door. | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:42 - Sep 13 with 2309 views | electricblue |
We in our house voted for JC and TW as we believe that corbyn and watson will give the tories hell..
After listening to Watsons speach he is a future party leader maybe after Corbyn.
Why did we vote for Corbyn.
well are well n truely pissed with being trodden on by greedy and moraly corrupt rich elitist government.
Things had to change and we firmly believe that corbyn is the blue touch paper...
My only down side is Corbyns stance of lets bring the refugees here to stay thus we are hoping that watson will make him see sense on issues of that ilk..... | |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 17:26 - Sep 13 with 2236 views | Bobbyjoe |
What happened to the Labour party is that Tony Blair became Napoleon, not he of Corsican upbringing but the head honcho of Animal Farm. If the Labour Party is just going to be Tory-Lite, then what's it for! | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 18:47 - Sep 13 with 2192 views | 49thseason |
Labour supporters spent 5 years getting ready for the 2015 General election, utterly convinced that the clueless Miliband would win and they would be restored to power and able to continue borrowing and spending other people's money once the Tories had cleaned up the economy a bit.
The election result plummeted them into a deep, dark, slough of despond, Miliband resigned and "Bodybags" Burnham and Mrs Balls seemed destined to win the election for leader when suddenly a new beacon of hope appeared on the horizon, not one of those PPP educated and well dressed front bench types but a man who managed 2 "E"s at A level and didn't complete his polytechnic course, a man who allegedly buys his clothes at the local co-op and cycles everywhere.. Marvellous! Just the man to lead the Labour Party, not that he has ever run anything in his 66 years previously, much less ever had a proper job (so no change there then) and has spent 30 -odd years on the back benches and is a member of the parliamentary cheese committee(seriously!).
Suddenly they are all excited again, surely, this is the man to beat off those horrid Conservatives, Banks, Railway companies and "financiers" (whatever they are). And hey, he likes the IRA, Hamas and several more dodgy overseas terrorist organisations, but we have to talk to them and be nice whilst they try to behead us surely?
After all he has a huge financial intellect - his ideas about giving us billions in QE to spend rather than just cutting spending are brilliant so what if inflation goes up together with interest rates? - And he wants to reopen the coal mines!! - Take that Thatcher! (but what shall we do with all the coal Jeremy? We can't just burn it.. can we?).
So now the "Real" Labour party is all excited and expecting to get elected in 2020 and "our Jezza" will take us all to the land of milk and honey...except that he probably won't make it past the 2016 council elections. No wonder thousands of Tories, their dogs and lamas (real ones - not Daley) voted for him, £3 well invested! Labour has apparently had some sort of communal mental breakdown.. The next few months will be such fun and then they can do it all over again. What Larks, can't wait for PMQs on Wednesday. | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 18:59 - Sep 13 with 2185 views | Brierls |
I know very little about politics. I don't really care about politics. But I simply can not see Corbyn as PM.
If my novice view is a common one, what the bloody hell are Labour's members thinking of?! | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 19:50 - Sep 13 with 2148 views | ArthurDaley |
Can see the headlines in the Tory press.
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 19:51 - Sep 13 with 2146 views | mingthemerciless |
What had Cameron et al ever done in the Real World before they got on the gravy train then ? | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 20:01 - Sep 13 with 2132 views | flyerdale |
Time our local labour party took away his position. I've been complaining against his attacks on social media against JC to the party headquarters. Danczuk quite clearly doesn't believe in democracy. Time he was ousted. | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 20:02 - Sep 13 with 2131 views | boffley |
The simple answer to your question is that David Cameron worked for Carlton Communications (a TV and media company) from 1994 to 2001. That seems pretty much "real world" | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 20:07 - Sep 13 with 2125 views | mingthemerciless |
Wow, I'm impressed. Not. It all sounds a bit candy floss to me . | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 20:09 - Sep 13 with 2122 views | flyerdale |
University toffs who ridiculed the poor and working class as part of the Bullingdon club. These people despise even the middle classes never mind the working classes and poor. I really can't believe anybody other than the elite believe the crap and policies Cameron is imposing on the public of this country. WAKE UP ffs | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 20:09 - Sep 13 with 2122 views | BartRowou |
Doesn't look like he was the tea-boy while there:
Cameron learned about the value of spin during a previous career as director of corporate affairs for television company Carlton, now part of ITV, his only professional excursion beyond the cosseted world of Westminster.
He was in the job from July 1994 to February 2001, during which time he had to deal with a difficult boss, and his political ambitions, though never deliberately disguised, took a back seat. Yet relatively little is known about his stint at Carlton, a period that helped shape his politics, and form his adult persona.
The manner in which he obtained the job says much about how men of Cameron's background tend to progress through life. The future Tory leader, whose credentials at Conservative central office were already well-established after periods working for Norman Lamont and Michael Howard, believed a stint in the private sector would benefit his political career. With no experience outside politics, he did what any old Etonian might do and worked his contacts. The mother of Cameron's then girlfriend Samantha, Lady Astor, was friends with Michael Green, then executive chairman of Carlton and one of Margaret Thatcher's favourite businessmen. She suggested he hire Cameron, and Green, a mercurial millionaire, obliged. The 27-year-old was duly recruited on a salary of about £90,000 a year (the equivalent of more than £130,000 today). | |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 20:11 - Sep 13 with 2119 views | mingthemerciless |
Correct, I expect him to cross over any day now. That's if the Tories will have him. Then there's always UKIP. | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 20:12 - Sep 13 with 2118 views | BigDaveMyCock |
Harold Wilson apparently obtained one of the highest marks ever achieved in an economics degree from Oxford - did not translate into economic success. The Thatcher and Blair governments oversaw the biggest expansion of consumer credit this country has ever seen - their so-called economic miracles were driven by private deregulatory expansionary policies. Quanative easing was also used after the crash of 1987. Furthermore, Brown oversaw a historically unprecented policy of quantative easing.
There is nothing new in what Corbyn is proposing and qualifications do not always translate. I should also add the two most non-career and Oxbridge politican prime ministers are Major and Callaghan - about as popular as French kisses at a family reunion the pair of them.
Corbyn may very well turn out to be shite but it will not because he is doing something that is fantastically new. The peace process of 1994 was achieved by dialogue. Something Mr Useless Tw@t was pursuing in the 1970s/80s. [Post edited 13 Sep 2015 20:41]
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 20:26 - Sep 13 with 2096 views | BigDaveMyCock |
Oh yeah, Maggie was bezzie mates with Pinochet and supported aparatheid. Blair shook hands with Gadafi, Adams and makes his money these day from a right set of kunts (really, really horrible fookers).
Mandelson was also a member of the Communist Party (true) and had a well dodgy tash!! | |
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