| Ehmer finally wants out? on 11:48 - Apr 23 with 2877 views | YorkRanger |
Ferdinand looks better in a cap though...  | | |  |
| Ehmer finally wants out? on 11:49 - Apr 23 with 2875 views | WeaverQPR |
Dunne has been immense id have him signed up on another year no probs. | |
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| Ehmer finally wants out? on 11:50 - Apr 23 with 2871 views | YorkRanger |
Agreed with that and what Clive said earlier about the Dunne signing.
Will be valuable next season, especially if we go down | | | |
| Ehmer finally wants out? on 12:27 - Apr 23 with 2809 views | CamberleyR |
He may be another Karl Ready but in the other hand he might be another Alan McDonald but as successive managers haven't played him, we'll never know. | |
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| Ehmer finally wants out? on 12:46 - Apr 23 with 2778 views | JordanFoster |
To an extent Clive, I agree.
To pick Bosingwa over Harriman when QPR's fate was already sealed was a bit of a kick in balls for Harriman, as it would have been for Jamie Mackie too. Especially when the manager was stressing about a lack of effort.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I'm certain that at the start of the season most would have said they would prefer to have Rio Ferdinand in the starting XI over Max Ehmer, of course not everyone would have - but the majority I think would.
It's all very well saying he would have a year of PL experience but that doesn't necessarily help us or him if he isn't good enough. Everyone saw the performances of Furlong and that was at fullback. Playing in the centre is far harder and at a club where the defence have/had little protection from the midfield, Ehmer would have been slaughtered. There's enough scouts watching the EDS games, there's enough managers and coaches there and he is at Gillingham because that's his level.
He's a good physical defender, but many are judging him on the seven minutes or whatever he played against M'Boro.
The same with Furlong, I don't think if he went out now he would get a League One or Championship club. You're throwing them into a league where blokes are battling for their lives to make a living and stay in a contract, Cole Kpekawa ended up playing for the Portsmouth reserves when he went out and Andy Awford said about it being a culture shock coming from Under-21 football.
He only played twice for the firsts. The size of Kpekawa and he even admitted himself how tough it was, to throw Furlong in there would be brutal. He wouldn't get anywhere near them League One sides - he's a second year scholar remember.
And a note on Dunne too, absolute myth that he was a cheap signing because no one else wanted him. No-one in the PL wanted him and no one other than us in the Championship could afford him. | | | |
| Ehmer finally wants out? on 13:23 - Apr 23 with 2721 views | PhilmyRs |
Good post which I agree with.
I’ve always said that a youth player needs to either demonstrate considerable natural talent to play at the top level when their 18/19, or need to have had a decent education on loan, playing competitive league football against players, like you said, who are fighting for their next contract. Ehmer has experienced that and for my money would have been a better option to have on the bench than Furlong. I’m not saying Max will make it, he probably won’t, but during our recent injury crisis he would have been more suitable to filling in for the team simply because of ‘that experience’. Sadly he was out on loan for the thousandth time so was never an option.
And just to come back on some of the Ferdinand remarks about his reasons for joining us — ‘it was London and Harry phoned’ etc. Ferdinand openly stated that everyone he spoke to said he’d regret not playing football once he’d retired, and whilst he could, he should continue to give it everything. QPR had an appeal to him, it’s where he began his football and seemed an appropriate place to him to end it. Plus Harry and his promise of Rangers playing through him as part of a 3 man back line probably encouraged him as well. But hey, let’s just say the only reason he came to Rangers was to sell caps, catch up with his mates and earn a lot of cash for a year. Unfair on the man.
I do think Ferdinand’s always put the effort in when he’s played for us, he’s just lost too much of the qualities that once made him one of the world’s best. That said, sitting in the middle of the back 3 was where he was lined up to play and he actually had his best game on one of the few occasions he played that role. | | | |
| Ehmer finally wants out? on 13:30 - Apr 23 with 2703 views | SpiritofGregory |
Dunne's on at least 40k a week. We need to set a wage cap. | | | |
| Ehmer finally wants out? on 13:30 - Apr 23 with 2706 views | californiahoop |
Can't believe Hill and Dunne have been compared to Rio interms of contribution to the Rangers cause, lol!
Harriman, Elmer and most of youth squad should have played the moment relegation was confirmed.
Bircham spoke out about this after he left, I can't believe Redcrap didn't play these guys, as Clive mentioned, it would have lead to either better loans or transfer fees that would have covered some of the cost of running the youth set up.
Elmer's development has been hampered over the last 2-3 yrs, if we are relegated Harriman and Elmer MUST be accessed in pre season!! | | | |
| Ehmer finally wants out? on 13:35 - Apr 23 with 2689 views | SpiritofGregory |
Man City are interested in McCarthy.
We need to be strong and keep hold of him - get rid of Green. [Post edited 23 Apr 2015 13:35]
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| Ehmer finally wants out? on 13:46 - Apr 23 with 2668 views | Gloucs_R |
Agree.
*sh7t, I have just agreed with SOG* | |
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| Ehmer finally wants out? on 14:10 - Apr 23 with 2626 views | GetMeRangers |
My apologies. I didnt realise you were a member of the board. It would be great if you could enlighten the rest of us, mere fans, to the wages of the rest of the playing staff. Do you think TF et al will agree with your push for a wages cap? Do they find your negativity helps redress their enthusiasm for the club? | | | |
| Ehmer finally wants out? on 16:13 - Apr 23 with 2531 views | vegasranger |
Are any of our youth players good enough even for the Championship? How many of our ex youth players not given a chance have gone on to play in either the Premier League or Championship? We have a terrible youth set up , to be honest if we hadn't run for the last 10 years how many players would we have missed out on? Sterling and who else? You can only give youth chance, if they are at the technical / physical level required. | | | |
| Ehmer finally wants out? on 16:15 - Apr 23 with 2530 views | vegasranger |
Excellent, realistic post Jordan. | | | |
| Ehmer finally wants out? on 22:21 - Apr 23 with 2432 views | SomersetHoops |
Well said Clive. In our younger players we have players who with more experience and the right kind of coaching can gain ability and value. With players like Rio the opposite is true. | |
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| Ehmer finally wants out? on 22:54 - Apr 23 with 2401 views | derbyhoop |
Ehmer has now played about 100 league games, all at L1 level. I doubt whether he would be good enough for the Premiership but he may be good enough for the Championship. The judgement must come from more qualified people than me. | |
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| Ehmer finally wants out? on 23:00 - Apr 23 with 2352 views | daveB |
not sure when a good time to give kids a chance is anymore. Doesn't matter what stage of the season it is games are usually must win and putting in kids leads to risks of losing, we've seen on here the criticism of Ramsey for putting Furlong in for a few games when he had no other options and going back a few years Waddock was slaughtered for going with the kids rather than Gallen and Bircham.
I hope if we have young players good enough they get a chance from now on but if we do and results don't go for us we'll soon be moaning that we need more experience. [Post edited 24 Apr 2015 7:50]
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| Ehmer finally wants out? on 00:29 - Apr 24 with 2313 views | PunteR |
Keeping players at league 1 level is never going to progress them to premier level.
I hope we keep him,and give him starts in the 1st team next season,especially if the big earners are going. | |
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| Ehmer finally wants out? on 11:17 - Apr 24 with 2216 views | olderR |
Spot on.
Constant promotion/relegation seasons means our managers don't have a points cushion to try young players. The financial consequences are too great.
Even Chelsea with their vast youth squad have been labouring on with Drogba rather than try a youth player. | | | |
| Ehmer finally wants out? on 11:37 - Apr 24 with 2199 views | PhilmyRs |
Why constantly state Ramsey had no option but to play Furlong. Against Hull I can sympathise with his predicament, but it's rubbish to state he had no other options against Arsenal or Palace. He could have played 3 at the back, he could have played Ned right back, he could have played Henry right back, he coud have brought Hill in and played Yun right back. Fair enough you wouldn't have done that, but please don't state he 'had no other options' as it's just simply not true. | | | |
| Ehmer finally wants out? on 14:09 - Apr 24 with 2129 views | daveB |
We didn't have enough fit centre halves to play 3 at the back and Henry was needed in midfield as Barton was suspended. Furlong was the only option for Hull and Arsenal. Palace he could have played Ned right back with Hill in the middle but options were very limited. | | | |
| Ehmer finally wants out? on 14:43 - Apr 24 with 2102 views | PhilmyRs |
I think you'll find Ned and Caulker started against Arsenal with Yun full back and Hill on the bench. Therefore you would have had the option to play 3 at the back or play Hill and Caulker in the middle with Ned full back. As Giroud was up front with limited pace Hill would have been fine with him.
Yes there was a clash of heads which forced Ned to be subbed at half time but options before the game were there for Furlong not to be picked in the first 11. So, as I said originally, only Hull was where his hand was really forced. He did have options for 2 out of 3 of those games. | | | |
| Ehmer finally wants out? on 15:05 - Apr 24 with 2089 views | daveB |
who would have played right wing back then? Whatever he had done that night it would have been players out of position. As he played 4-4-2 in both games he needed a right back and had one natural right back available. Sums up the problem though that he is still getting stick for picking Furlong whilst the previous fella gets stick for not picking kids. | | | |
| Ehmer finally wants out? on 15:40 - Apr 24 with 2073 views | PhilmyRs |
Phillips did a good job second half against villa as a wing back. Yun, an attacking both footed full back probably could have done the job, with Traore moving to the left and even dare I say it, the SWP man who incidentally Ramsey decided to pick for Palace was an option.
Of course the sensible decision would of been to have played Ned there and stuck to the back 4. Ned is a player I don’t like at full back when you’ll likely have a fair bit of the ball, but when predominantly focussing on defensive responsibilities is sound. His performance dealing with Bale a few seasons back shows what he can do. So a back 4 of Ned, Hill, Caulker and Yun would have been my choice. That shows Ramsey did have “options”.
I like how the Manager is giving players a chance and making the first team accessible unlike the previous regime. It’s a step forward. I still think within that new found approach of giving younger players a chance you need to find a balance — e.g. judge the options available and the opposition you face and make a call on how best to win that game. Playing Furlong against Arsenal and Palace was a lack of judgment in my opinion. That said, had Doughty not received the injuries he’s had in recent weeks, I think Ramsey would have involved him from the start in at least one of the games. A move I would have supported. | | | |
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