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| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 12:49 - Feb 19 with 1244 views | kingkenny |
How naive of you to think that a bunch of white men pushing a black man off a train whilst chanting about being racist constitutes racism. Im sure that this was merely a health and safety issue where these fans didnt want to be on an overcrowded train. | | | |
| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 13:18 - Feb 19 with 1226 views | Capt_Koons |
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| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 14:20 - Feb 19 with 1183 views | lockseaf77 |
They're falling over themselves to prosecute a bunch of drunken racist morons and the comments on here about 'two years in jail' and such forth show where our priorities lie these days.
Blake Fowler -
In this town of ours
Staff at the pre school failed to make child protection referrals despite EXPLICIT evidence of injuries
School nurse took no action when told he had been hit by his father
Admitted to hospital with injuries, no further action
Finally dies from a serious head injury inflicted at 'home'
Let down at every level of involvement by the authorities in Southampton
And finally a prosecution against the scum who were his 'parents' thrown out.
If he had been racist at school I'm sure something would have been done about it.
Obsessed with morons like John Terry and political correctness. The world's gone mad. | | | |
| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 14:31 - Feb 19 with 1171 views | kingkenny |
This is a excellent point. It would be an insult to this dead child to follow up any racism. | | | |
| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 16:18 - Feb 19 with 1128 views | Del_Bianco |
Trial by social media will ensure people get done for this anyway. People all wanting to out do each other with how outraged they are by it. My point was simply that we were told it was racist, that it was disgusting etc. yes, the big lad was being a bully boy and there was a bad taste song sung. But in a rush to be outraged people don't think that maybe it wasn't how we are told to think it was. Maybe it was a bit of bullying, out of order I know, but maybe it wasn't because it was black. One of the things people seem to be ignoring is the bloke who pushed him off wasn't singing it, it would appear that no one stood near the door was. | |
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| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 16:26 - Feb 19 with 1118 views | UmPahars |
Now I agree with you regards the trial by tabloid & social media. Those involved should be dealt with by the normal due process. | | | |
| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 16:34 - Feb 19 with 1112 views | LenWilkins |
So we have two bunches of Chelsea fans in the same carriage who have never met each other, one lot inside who are racists and singing nasty songs and another lot near the door who always do what their Mums tell them and are in no way racist but one of them notices that the carriage is full and with a fair and reasonable degree of firmness shoves a black chap a few times and stops him getting in. Is that the case for the defence?
If so, I'm convinced. Not guilty on all counts m'lud. | | | |
| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 16:48 - Feb 19 with 1105 views | Del_Bianco |
Ever been on a train to football and not known other groups of saints fans on the same train?
It is also possible for some people in the same group to be racist and others not.
The simple point i'm making and what people seem to struggle to understand is that people are in rush to react how they think they should do, everyone competing to be the most outraged, without actually stopping for a second and thinking maybe it isn't how it appears. What makes me laugh is that people whinge about how football fans are treated, judged and criminalised, yet here we have fellow football fans doing exactly that. [Post edited 19 Feb 2015 16:52]
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| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 16:56 - Feb 19 with 1094 views | LenWilkins |
I'm not judging them although their loutish behaviour does nothing to enhance the reputation of English fans abroad. I imagine there were 'ordinary' French people and possibly kids on that train witnessing it all.
Presumably the police will identify the fans in the video, the DPP will decide if there are grounds to prosecute and a judge and jury will do the rest. Nothing wrong with that. | | | |
| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 17:16 - Feb 19 with 1078 views | Oc7saint |
If I am on a train with a group of random saints fans and one of these random individuals wearing a saints shirt started racist chants for example, I wouldnt expect to be prosecuted for it. I would be as shocked and appalled as anyone else.
I am sure there were some Chelsea fans on that carriage in this exact situation. I think that is the point your making (apologies if I have the wrong end of the stick!) That isnt excusing anything that happened. Nobody is arguing with the fact that there were alot of morons on that train that do need locking up. | | | |
| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 17:27 - Feb 19 with 1069 views | Del_Bianco |
Completely agree. That is how it should be. But as usual we've got the social media witch hunt with people in competiton to be outraged by it all. I see they've named someone already whose name was outed on twitter, yet the sun has admitted today that he wasn't seen actually doing anything. As usual people are being criminalsed by social media and the frenzy there is for everyone to be disgusted by something they dont know the facts of.
Does it not also strike anyone else as a bit wierd someone was stood on a platform filmning a training coming into the tube station, which only one person was trying to get on. Seems a bit wierd to me. [Post edited 19 Feb 2015 17:31]
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| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 17:50 - Feb 19 with 1045 views | MytchettSaint |
Last time I checked we lived in a society where you were innocent until proven guilty, I'm sure France is probably the same. There are some who are guilty in that carriage of racist chanting it would appear, I hope they are identified and dealt with accordingly. There are also some people there who's only crime it may have been was to have the misfortune to find themselves on the same train carriage as those tits. Wouldn't be fair for their names to be dragged through the gutter press without any proof of involvement. I hope the press are 100% sure before they potentially ruin someone's life and reputation. | |
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| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 17:56 - Feb 19 with 1038 views | Del_Bianco |
They already have. They named someone who was grassed up on twitter yet today the sun admitted there isn't actually any evidence of him doing anything. | |
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| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 18:05 - Feb 19 with 1030 views | MytchettSaint |
Quelle surprise!
Sounds like the Scums lawyers have suddenly woken up. | |
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| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 22:54 - Feb 19 with 921 views | dirk_doone |
After taking into account eye witness accounts, Chelsea have suspended 3 of them from attending matches.
I have an enormous amount of sympathy for that French fellow. He looked them all in the eye, kept trying to get on that train but didn't lose his temper. Afterwards he went home and wasn't going to make anything of it. It's only after all of the TV coverage it got, that he said anything about it.
The 3 fans at the front were apparently together and they knew exactly what they were doing. They wanted to publicly humiliate that man to show off to their friends what big men they were. They are not going to prison - it wasn't a particularly violent assault - but they are being banned by a football club. That seems fair to me. I'm sure people get away with hundreds of such incidents every day but it doesn't mean it's right that they should. [Post edited 19 Feb 2015 23:15]
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| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 00:28 - Feb 20 with 886 views | Juice_Terry |
So some blokes had been to the football, had a beer and were using a few swear words while chatting amongst themselves. How frightfully ghastly. | | | |
| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 00:47 - Feb 20 with 881 views | alan_twatt |
Hey King Kenny, I know when you pushed that group of fellas off your mum she wasn't impressed, but that had nothing to do with health and safety. You can't just apply the same logic to every case. | | | |
| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 07:49 - Feb 20 with 849 views | ArthurHucksake |
This , spot on. You gotta love the UKIP/EDL/BNP brigade any slight tenuous excuse will do. | |
| I know for sure you are he. No question about it. You are rude, agressive and angry just like doc was. You fool no one lambkins. |
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| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 08:01 - Feb 20 with 846 views | Del_Bianco |
So if someone actually questions the hysterical 'they're all racist' reaction they're part of the EDL and BNP???
The facts on this paint a different picture to the one we are told to think. Firstly watch the video and the singing comes from a different part of the train, the guy pushing him didn't scream 'we're racist' in his face whilst doing it. Secondly eye witnesses have said that other people's wearing PSG scarves were thrown off the train too, which kind of suggests the lone black man wasn't a target because he was black, it was perhaps because he wasn't a Chelsea fan. thirdly in the witch hunt, the media have splashed the picture across their front page of someone who they later admitted didn't actually do anything. His crime was being stood near someone being a bully. Now is that fair and right?
A few of them were actually like dickheads and bullying coonts, there is no doubt about it. but that isn't the issue, the issue is the immediate hysteria everyone is told to have, how we should all be so outraged with the racist scum, demanding they be jailed for years, without actually looking at what happened for ourselves and if anyone does suggest this might not be a race thing then they're EDL scum as well. | |
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| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 08:24 - Feb 20 with 839 views | GasGiant |
The problem with you Arthur is when you aren't saying anything funny you are just a stupid little prick, so try and be entertaining again, there's a good chap. But you do get 10 points for referring to a "....Brigade" - a revealing insight into your thought processes. | | | |
| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 09:09 - Feb 20 with 827 views | UmPahars |
You need to watch the video again Del as its more than just one guy doing the pushing, plus "the group in the frame" are singing away (the fella in the white top under his coat is particularly enjoying the singalong). | | | |
| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 09:11 - Feb 20 with 825 views | emigrant |
Del to a degree you have a point which has been missed by most. Not that long ago we had world leaders marching the streets in France in defence of "free speech" and Charlie Ebdo. Now as far as the racist chanting goes it has to be recognised that under the realms of Charlie Ebdo this should legally be allowed in France. Racist chanting against a black man is no more offensive than the cartoons depicting the prophet was to Muslims.
So on the basis of that the chanting has to be seen as fair and proper.
However pushing the man off the train is assault and therefore qualifies for a criminal conviction. As you say this concerns two people the victim and the perpetrator.
However you move this incident to the UK and you have a totally different situation. Especially as you have indisputable evidence of wrong doing. | |
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| Chelsea Racism In Paris on 09:21 - Feb 20 with 817 views | ArthurHucksake |
The on thing missing from this thread is an "I'm no spear chucker but ". | |
| I know for sure you are he. No question about it. You are rude, agressive and angry just like doc was. You fool no one lambkins. |
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